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Hotwheelz

time will tell but i believe it

mamu

it mite happen but they will nevr have the history gm has

afaver

they will never do it, they have said that the last couple years and havent done it yet, and currently they are down in sales while GM is up in sales from previous years, but yeah time will tell.

OFF-RD

Have you all seen the windows in the new Tundra? Can the passengers actually see out of those little things? What trash. Toyota has built nothing but trash except for the early models of the Tacoma which were good trucks. Everything else they’ve sold here is trash and ugly and overpriced. GM will always sell 3x more trucks here than they will.

Hoopster

Toyota trash? Ha, I don’t think so. Toyota builds the best vehicles in the world, that’s why they’re so successful. GM and Ford may always have the biggest share of the U.S. truck market but they are not higher in quality.

porker

“toyota builds the best vehicles in the world”
Yeah- except for the exploding engines, the unintended acceleration, the broken camshafts, the lousy transmissions, the failing ball joints, the upper-control arms that collapse, the computer “glitches” that altermately cripple the cars’ ability to go at all and your ability to steer it through its “steer by wire” setup, and the constant valve-train problems they have. Oh, and what about those continual head-gasket problems with the V-6’s? You’re extremly fortunate to get over 150k miles out of a toyota engine before it blows itself all over the road. Give me a 300k mile GM truck any day!

sd2649

I hear ya, just replaced the headgaskets on my brothers 3.0 v6 toyota forerunner for the second time, only made it 50k before they blew again. The guys at toyota really didn’t get it right with their steel block and aluminum heads…. really crappy 2 valve per cylinder heads I might add. My old pontiac minivan made more horsepower!

NathanL

If you travel in other parts of the world today outside of the US/Canada/Mexico you’ll see 10:1 in favor of Toyotas.

Doesn’t sound like much when you exclude the big areas such as US/Canada but those areas are all NEW GROWTH/FAST growth areas in Asia and Eastern Europe that are buying cars/trucks faster than ever in areas where no one previously even owned a car.

I believe it eventually.

97GMC_Boy

I even work for a toyota dealer… and i can tell you first hand since inve worked there they have only sold mabey 5 tundras in about a year. thats not going to be able to compete with the detroit 3… NEVER. They might have us beat with teh cars but never with the full size suv’s and never with trucks. Also i see the amount of toyotas come in for service because of the electronics going bad, and most of all the ball joints is a big problem.

porker

Time to update about “toyota builds the best vehicles in the world.” Go to autoblog and then to tundrasolutions.com and look at those “best in the world” tailgates! WOW! If GM did this, it would be front-page news in the New York Times.

chvyfan

I won’t leave it out of possibilities, But yota cant touch that 76 year reign, GM is just king.

DennisTA15

Correct me if I’m wrong, but Japan doesn’t allow the sale of American made cars in their country. Can you imagine if the U.S. did that to them. Who is number one now baby….GM!!!

61 Muscle

Mickey Mouse style emblems, tissue paper thin sheet metal and a name that just doesn’t sound american. My stubborn american pride will not let me drive a rice burner when I can drive an american legend. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

red89yota

Toyota trash huh lets go back to the 80’s when toyota trucks where 100% japan toyotas little 22r-22re Was and will always be the most bombproof engine ever made if you dont believe me go over to yotatech.com and say its junk.

porker

My ‘91 toyota with the “bombproof” engine you mention slung a rod at 62K miles.BTW- I bought it used, and I changed the oil and filter every 3500 miles. (possible sludge issue? Oil pump? Nobody at any toyota site pretends to know.)Cost me $4,000.00 in resale value. NEVER AGAIN! Only GM for me until the day I die.

essentialcycle

just remember, were not in the 80’s anymore. Bowtie or nike’s.

red89yota

Well thers your problem You bought it used and they proubly didnt change oil like you are to do. Mine had 235000 with no problems.

porker

The “problem” is that it shouldn’t matter if a few oil changes are extended, or even missed. No AMERICAN engine I’ve ever had was that touchy about an oil change.

Pedal2Metal

This kind of cracks me up. Toyota expects to shatter GM`s global record. Well then that just tells you all who reigns supreme. Besides The Silverado isnt the Truck of the year for nothing. Kind of a coincidence that the Tundra has a 5.7 Liter engine. I think that I recall GM having a 5.7 Liter 350 C.I. Lol. As a matter of fact I was reading a Hot Rod Magazine that was saying that the Camry Nascar uses a chevy bolt pattern on the bellhousing. What is the chance of that happening? I also hear besides snapping camshafts, the Tundra is now having prop shaft problems. Seen a Toyukka on TV the other day one of the jeep copies, Oh yeah the FJ (Fake Jeep).It was runnng the Baja and the computer had to be replaced do to dust getting in. They couldnt even have the forethought of putting the computer in the engine compartment in a off road vehicle? Anyway I work and live in America so I will drive an American vehicle, made by an American Company that makes american legends. (57 Chevy)! Just check Nascar and see who wins that every week.
By the way I know that you Chevy guys here already know this, just ranting to the Toyo guys that had to come over to this forum and let us know how good their trucks are. Probably company executives, plotting a conspiracy theory.
I also wonder if Toyota is going to have as many green cars as GM. Gm already has more E-85 vehicles being produced than anyone, Hydrogen vehicles being tested in major cities and the Chevy Volt will be out in the near future. (electric) not to speak of the hybrid full size trucks.
Besides the fact I live in Wisconsin and Chevrolets are made right here in janesville.
No toyota for me thankyou.

rocket88

red89yota the engines were decent but the trucks rusted out 4-5 years in the midwest. So unless you live in az, nm or nv whats the point?

Stillakilla187

red89yota…. The motor has durability, Thats about all the truck has going for it. Severely underpowered, rusts in the rain, the truck falls apart rolling down the road. I know it doesnt if you were the origional owner, and have been modifying it for 20 years, but in average condition suck.

Stillakilla187

oh and I second Pedal2Metal’s “No toyota for me thank you.”

N0DIH

I will never own one…. I’ll drive a Ford first! (yuke!! that is a yuk and puke together…)

durocj

The best part about toyota is their friggin commercials. Has anyone ever paid attention to these? Maybe it’s just because I am an engineer and I notice the not so obvious. but for the commercial where it’s bragging that the tundra is the quickest from 40-70mph, ever notice how the closing doors close at an exponetially decreasing rate and then as soon as the truck is through they slam shut like they have been trucking at 110mph towards each other? On the commercial where they chain the frame to a locomotive and try to snap it, can anyone tell me when they are loading their truck in that manor? I am pretty sure that I am not loading my frame directly underneath the cab as indicated by that commercial. Haha how about the commercial where it drives up one side of the see-saw and then slams the break going down the other… yea… can someone explain to me how the trailer stays directly inline with the truck and doesn’t kick out, push down, lose it’s load or any other possible scenario that should happen when it is at a (i’d guess) 45 deg decline?

My point is, that these knuckle heads over at toyota are absolute marketing geniuses. They have figured out ways to convince ignorant morons that their truck is the strongest fastest toughest truck on the market. All it took was abusing the truck in a manor that the truck will never see in it’s life time. There’s a reason you don’t see stupid marketing with chevy pick ups, it’s because they are the real deal, they don’t need to prove themselves and make themselves look better, come on a pick up truck that gets nearly 27 mpg with a 5.7 engine and has close to the highest towing capacity in it’s class? What else is a pick up for.

Let the ignorant yuppies continue to buy their tundra’s and think their great, that just means there are more chevy’s for the rest of us! I know for one that I have a chevy, my dad has a chevy, my brother owns one and I plan on buying another one. And remember stupid foreign car fans, the only real foreign car market that has any credibility is mercedes! So just do us all a favor, stop bragging about how great your truck is so when it brakes down we don’t have to continuelly say “told ya so.”

07srsierra

To the guy who stated he lives in America and only buys American. Well, thats just not true. Most of the parts on our cars are imported. There is very little that can be said was made 100% in America.

Fxjnkmn

I’ve owned chevy’s for almost 30 years, and this my last one. I can’t believe how they manage to make all the little stuff so cheesy. you would think with all the new tech, this could be better, but assembled in mexico must be the way to drive away buyers. I might just rebuild an older one to replace the newer model. The stuff I’m talking about; wiring, plastic parts all over breaking, and last but not least rust.

sooners7gators2

Toyota. Wow, they have had some great designs latly. Im sure everyone loves the horn on the front of all their cars. The new Camry looks like someone punched it in the face. The truck everyone keeps boasting about looks like a space ship not a real truck. I like how Toyota brags about its little half ton out pulling the lighter Chevrolets and Fords. Put one against an HD or SuperDuty and see what happens.

As far as Chevrolet getting cheap goes that is now changing. Take the new Malibu as an example. It is 10 times better looking and better built than the new Camry, and its cheaper. Some of GM’s new cars like the G8 is from Holden and is a great car. Lets not forget the 08 CTS. The new cars are better built than toyota. To me the only company that can now compare to GM is Honda/Acura.

Sierra J

If you like Toyota so much go live in Japan.I have no use for them afterall they murdered over 400,000 Americans.The towers the Taliban took down is like Pearl Harbor so I guess you buy a vehicle Osama

chevy1990

G.M. should of never bent over backwards in the early years for unions…they should have said “F%&#@ you!! get back to work” then they wouldnt be paying up the pooper for all the baby boomers retirement. G.M. spends more on health care than they do on metal (theres something wrong)

heavychevy06

i second the “if you like toyota so much go live in japan”..seriously where do you think all the profits from toyota go to? its definitely not the american economy!

spencer922

When guys in Toyota’s start picking up girls like guys in Chevy’s do. Then you can talk about a Toyota.

heavychevy66

They might be able to get the record, but Toyota will never be able to pass GM. First of all, to make up for design flaws(whats up with that tiny engine compartment on the 2007 and 2008 Tundras) Toyota has made an engine that is much bigger than the GM V8’s because it is the only way that they can better Chevy and GMC. While GM is looking for and experimenting with fuel efficiency in it’s V8 engines, Toyota is simply wasting gas unnecessarily.

texsierra

They got close but GM sold about 3000 cars more this year. Toyota trucks are ok, good quality but they’re built like all new small cars, paper thin sheet metal, lightweight…really car like.

I wouldn’t buy one…If im getting a truck I want something thats a gas guzzling solid piece steel, good to see chevy, ford and dodge building traditional trucks…I will always be a customer…though I like chevy the best!

CowboyUpETX

I have to say for myself when it comes to trucks and muscle you can’t beat GM. My first truck was 1990 Silverado pushing 300K on the original 350.. the truck I am driving now is a 1994 GMC K1500 Sierra coming up on 200K.. I must say I did drive a corolla for a while and it got great gas mileage on the both engines I had in it.. not to mention my mom had a corolla for years and both engines she had got great gas mileage.. whats sad is both of these cars ended up needing a second engine.. coincidence or just plain Japanese crap.. and you Toyota fans don’t even start about with maybe I didn’t take care of them cause I swapped out the motors and have the nicest engine bays in Texas..I don’t mess around with my vehicles..

FAT CAT

Well, enough is enough. Personally I feel that most of the electrical components that you find in American cars and trucks are being outsourced to other countries because of the fact that allot of American retards keep buying foreign cars which causes a decline in the American automakers market forcing them to find a cheaper route. Also if you read the tags, you will find that most of those items are assembled in other countries, not made in other countries. One other difference is that even though the item is assembled or made in another country, when the vehicle is sold, that money stays in the U.S. If people would take more pride in what the American auto maker builds, maybe we would not be in this situation. The new aged young ones are to busy watching all these stupid movies that promote the purchase of foreign cars instead of listening to the true American that believes in American cars and trucks. When ever I see a toyota or nissan on the road, I notice that the so called truck has yet to be worked or if it is being worked, it is by the average illegal. I have had people tell me that American vehicles are nothing but junk, so I feel that I have to prove them wrong by showing them my 1990 CHEVY SILVERADO which has almost 300,000 miles and can still smoke the tires and it gets them to thinking. My truck has the original engine that has no oil leaks or does not blow smoke. It,s all about CHEVROLET for me.

Dune Coon

My ‘89 Toyota extended cab 3.0 liter 5-speed manual rolled over 250,000 miles in it. Changed the timing belt every 50,000 miles and the oil every 3,000 miles.

I should have never sold that truck. I miss her. By far the best truck I have owned to date. I beat the piss out of her and she took it an more. Now if my wife can be that way.

Tmode6871Cuda

What I think is happening is the youth market. They are selling to the youth because they know they are going to be around for a good while. But most of the youths today just don’t give a shit about anything, not to say all but a good amount just don’t. But what the foreign market is doing is black balling us, they know they can screw their own kind by making them work for .5cents an hour and make a car that is decent and sell it to the American’s. When you buy a foreign made car your helping that country out, you’re not helping American’s. Then when this happens the big 3 see sales are going down, and they say what can we do to make car’s/truck’s more affoble. They then know they have to cut corners and use lower quality parts. For example, GMC and there 4l60e transmission, the 2wd wheel bearings, the “OK” engine piston slap, and the cheap ass dashes. Ford we all know about Ford’s problems Blinker arm catching on fire and killing people, frames crumbling, 5.4L SVT head recalls, and a huge motor recall in the late 90’s early 2000’s. Dodge, Paint, transmissions, rear ends, electrical problems, I can go on about Dodge. But the companies have had to cut corners to get the America people to start buying American car’s again. If we would say somehow boycott foreign car sales that would help a lot but that will never happen. But at the same time the big 3 are screwing the American’s, by out sourcing all the parts Motors being made in Canada, and Mexico. They are saying that they are losing billions a year and are closing locations down to show this lose, but They are not losing billions, they are not hitting the numbers that they want. There is a saying “When you own the information you can bend it all you want.” I think they are doing this so they can move the shops to other countries and pay some shit .5 cents an hour and then sell the car’s/truck’s to us. Well I think I have wasted someone’s time while they read me ranting about this.

ray5875

I haven’t had a failure of any type in my wife’s 04 Toyota camry xle(96,000 mi), not even a dead battery. But my 97 GMC Suburban(150,000mi) which cost me nearly $40,000, has had a failure in just about every category. I would not buy another vehicle from GM, and i have owned an olds, pontiac, chevy, and gmc. Believe me i’m not a toyota or gm fanboy.

1TORUN

Well I own one of each brand. I have an old 88 chevy but the motor and trans have been replaced or upgraded. It has about 220K on the odo, and the engine was done around 176K. All in all that has been an awesome truck that has become my weekender so to speak and only comes out in nice weather. Love the truck and the power and everything i’ve done to it. Can’t bear to part with it. I had a Honda accord that I spent nearly as much a month keeping repairs done to as I spent for the monthly payment. It was crazy madness! All the hype I heard about their quality well mine apparently didn’t get its fair share of dependability but it happens that way sometimes. So I sold it thought I’ll go back to GM for a better vehicle after all the 88 has been top notch even for a first year run model! Oh boy was that a mistake I paid dearly for…. I wanted a small suv so I bought a Jimmy 4 door 2000 model. Really liked it. At least until the factory warranty went out that is. 3 window motors, 3 wheel bearings that are guess what (GM available only) @ $400 each, and quite frankly the weakest 4.3 engine with the worst gas mpg i’d ever seen, and tires that never wore correctly for no reason that anyone could figure out. I endured this for roughly 2-3 yrs and in 2004 and it being 4 yrs old I traded it in with about 98K miles on it. I thought well i’ve had such good luck with first year model items i’ll buy a new 2005 tacoma double cab. I test drove just about everything under the sun too before I signed on the line for this truck. To this day I have no regrets buying that tacoma, I love it as much today as the day I bought it! Maybe a little more. I know everyone thinks its an import so to speak but hell it was made in California by american workers. So i’m sure some $$ went back to Japan or wherever overseas but some of it stays right here by keeping them employed, buying houses, and other american goods with their paychecks. Who have I hurt in America by buying this truck, well so far only the folks working at parts stores at this point! Since I haven’t bought anything other than normal maintenance items for oil changes and such. The only thing I hate is that this truck is not near as modable performance wise as GM stuff is. Wanna know what I really like about Toyota stuff is the resale value can’t hardly be beat I didn’t get jack shit for my jimmy granted I know it was a Jimmy but WTH! Funny that the Toyota dealer offered me more for it than any of the gm dealers I went to, what does that say for what GM thinks about their own product. The fact that the Toyota is 4 years old and retails for only $4K less than what I paid for it is nice. A lot of people buy into Toyota just like they do Honda for their reputation of higher resale when that day comes for them. All vehicles have their lemon issues and inherent problems, GM, Ford, Dodge all of them have them. You hear more about the problems of something than you do from all the happy contented people like myself that have had no to minimal issues at all. I don’t know how the Tundra compares as I havent driven one because quite frankly its too damn big for me. I needed something to haul my occassional trips to buy landscaping stuff and groceries. I drove a Ford ranger, a canyon and a colorado, a dakota, and none compared to the tacoma in any area. So far I love my 20 year old sexy black slammed chevy, and I love my 3+ year old sexy as hell lifted on 33’s toyota just as much! I wouldnt trade either one at this point. I hope the chevy rolls 300K someday but only putting about 2K miles a year on it that might take a while, and I figure the toyota should roll 100K around the end of next year maybe celebrate 100K with maybe having it paid off by then!!!!!

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