bagging ideas needed

[Beyond Static©]

I drive a 90 silverado. I am going to get the kp bolt on 4 link soon. I would like to mount the bags in front of the axle a little, mounted vertical. What bag mounts would I need to do this? I want it to be similar to the air bar, but with bags mounted in front of axle for better ride and lift. Would I weld on bag mounts to the axle, and weld the others to my notch? I want to get as low as possible without cutting through the bed. I know I cant lay out, but ideas are needed here.

[lxtoolxl]

I know this is NBS but its completely under the bed. You could do somethin similiar.

[Beyond Static©]

Thanks man, thats pretty much what I'm lookin for, but bags mounted in front of axle for more travel and better ride. I could run a bridge in front of the axle, and make the bag mounts come off the axle in the front. Just reverse what's done in that pic.

[crosroadscustom]

You want to run the f9000's or wit will ride like ish. I know a guy in town who can build some bag brackets and stuff, or he could order you some and weld them on for you. Let me see if i still have his number. :D

[Jimmy P]

Originally posted by Beyond Static
Thanks man, thats pretty much what I'm lookin for, but bags mounted in front of axle for more travel and better ride. I could run a bridge in front of the axle, and make the bag mounts come off the axle in the front. Just reverse what's done in that pic.

It doesnt really matter if they are in front, top or behind. I highly doubt their will be any noticeable difference. f9000s are supposed to be better suited for the rear too.

[BigChevMan]

That's the exact setup I was going to use on my truck..well..except f-9000s of course. I think that is clean as hell.

[Beyond Static©]

can the sleve type bags(f9000) be fully compressed like double convoluted bags? I am wanting it to be as low profile as possible. I am having mixed feelings now about cutting through the bed. I want to get low, but I want to keep my stock bed. I will most likely cut through the bed. I am trying to tell myself that my truck is a 90, and there's no resale value!:D

[Jimmy P]

Originally posted by Beyond Static
can the sleve type bags(f9000) be fully compressed like double convoluted bags? I am wanting it to be as low profile as possible. I am having mixed feelings now about cutting through the bed. I want to get low, but I want to keep my stock bed. I will most likely cut through the bed. I am trying to tell myself that my truck is a 90, and there's no resale value!:D

the f9000s need 4.5" when they are collapsed...also you need a bumpstop or something so the weight isnt on the bag itself when your layed.

Im pretty sure what you are trying to do is very possible but its going to take a little figureing. You would need to get some lower bag mounts like I have(see gallery) then run them upper ones off your notch or maybe a crossmember. You may also be able to get away with putting them on the outside of the frame off the back of your 4 link brackets.

I know it sounds like alot of work but you could raise your floor a little too.

[Beyond Static©]

I was thinking of this type of mount coming off the front of the axle

http://ridetech.com/productinfo/productimages/A231.jpg

And this coming off of my bridge bar

http://ridetech.com/productinfo/productimages/A200.jpg

Is this pic of the sleve type bags fully compressed, or can they handle more compression?

http://ridetech.com/productinfo/images/roadgrater2.jpg

Is this pic of the sleve type bags fully compressed, or can they handle more compression?

http://ridetech.com/productinfo/images/roadgrater2.jpg

[Jimmy P]

the first one probably wont give you the room needed , 4.5" when collapsed. Air ride also has the ones that come from the bottom of the axle like I have. I think they would work.

I didnt real;ize you were planning on running a bridge. What kind of notches are u gunna run?

[Beyond Static©]

Is this the type of lower bracket I should run?

http://ridetech.com/productinfo/productimages/A050-1.jpg

As for a notch, i want it to be small, but big enough to lay if I go through all this work. I plan to make a notch similar to this one.

http://ifcustom.com/projects/projectpics/wespics/wes5.jpg

[Jimmy P]

either those or the ones I have. You are just going to have to get it all set up then take measurements to get it right.

[BigChevMan]

I'm not sure what the depth of jason's notch is...but most should be around 4" then you would only need to come up with another 1 to 1.5" of space.

As for keeping it under the bedfloor...you could make something similar to the pro street bracket you posted. I wish I had a picture of saras truck....the way that frank did it was perfect. He ran plates that dropped down some and kept everything under the bedfloor

If I decide to do bags and stick with an idea mine will be all under the bedfloor. Only a small hump for the pumpkin maybe.

[Beyond Static©]

I think its awesome to have a bagged truck and have everything under the bedfloor. It adds to the complexity factor.

[LayenXFrame]

well on my truck with my old 2 link i had a mini notch for 18's and a tiny 4x4 hole in my bed 2 lay out for the pumpkin. im pretty sure u dont need 2 cut a hole for ur notch just a little one for ur pumpkin if u dont do air ver axle.

[lxtoolxl]

Its really close to keep it under the bed with 20s but i think you still need the hole for the pumpkin. You could raise the floor and keep it all under there and some people wouldnt be able to tell but its probably more work than its worth in this case. But i also like the look of the stock/uncut bed floor. I think Airhead has a NBS with all underbed and its one of the sweetest trucks ive seen.

[BigChevMan]

Originally posted by lxtoolxl
Its really close to keep it under the bed with 20s but i think you still need the hole for the pumpkin. You could raise the floor and keep it all under there and some people wouldnt be able to tell but its probably more work than its worth in this case. But i also like the look of the stock/uncut bed floor. I think Airhead has a NBS with all underbed and its one of the sweetest trucks ive seen.

Yeah...kyles truck is nice...if he ever gets it painted...:D

He's not laying out though..and I'm not sure if he wants to or not

[lxtoolxl]

Yeah, some people will argue why do it at all if you dont lay out but it doesnt matter to me. Why sacrifice such good looks to go a little lower.

[Beyond Static©]

A nbs can layout on 255/35 under the bed. OBS are IMPOSSIBLE to fit a strong underbed notch, and lay out on 20s. My biggest reason to bag is for a better ride. My truck rides like total crap. I think if I can get it all worked out to lay, I'll cut a small hole in the bed for my notch, and run wide wheeltubs to cover it up. I dont know how good this will look though.

[crosroadscustom]

Impossible you say??? I beg to differ. :devil: Your first step is to figure out which bags you are going to use. Then, you can start taking measurements, on the drawing board of course. I am about to start on an s10. They are getting the kp kit too. You should come talk to me, I can help ya out.

[Beyond Static©]

a super c-notch is the largest underbed notch possible that is strong enough for daily driving. The notch is my problem to lay it out. I can calculate everything else to work, but the notch is the problem.

[crosroadscustom]

This super cnotch you speak of, I thought you had already gotten someone to make you one. :think: If not, I will still make you one.

[Beyond Static©]

i havent got the super c yet. The reason I'm waiting is to decide on how low I wanna go. If I bag, I wanna lay out, but I dont wanna cut my stuff. I will prolly make it underbed and put some 1" drag blocks.

[crosroadscustom]

Cut what stuff?

[Beyond Static©]

cut my bed

[Beyond Static©]

What would the ride difference be between an f9000 type and a double convoluted type bag?

[crosroadscustom]

The first rides good and the second rides like chit. It is a simple concept really. The double convoluted are typically designed to hold up around 25-2600 pounds at their designated ride height. The f9's are supposed to support 1500 lbs at their ride height. The spring rate of these two bags are dramatically different, so when you put less than the reccomended weight, the ride is typically bouncy and rough. That is why unless you are utilizing some type of lever setup, the double convoluted will not be your best bet. Look at your pop's suspension. It is generally the same thing you will want on your truck. It just takes a little thought to get the bags placed correctly.

[Beyond Static©]

I am not trying to get out the easy way or anything, just trying to get the pro's/cons of setups. As of now, I'm still going to do bags mounted vertical in front of the axle. the only thing I'm gonna have to think about is how to mount the bags to the axle.

[crosroadscustom]

May I ask why you want to put the bags in front of the axle? And it isn't that hard to figure out how to mount the bags. It just takes some measuring, some accurate measuring.

[Beyond Static©]

I want to get a little more lift than bags behind the axle. If this becomes a problem, I will just run an airbar type setup.

Maybe I can make some mounts that are welded to the frame, and bolt this mount to it, and make it adjustable

http://ridetech.com/productinfo/productimages/A050-1.jpg

[crosroadscustom]

You won't get any more lift in front of the axle vs. behind. and those pro street brackets would probably work for you. IMO they look killer too.

[Jimmy P]

Originally posted by crosroadscustom
You won't get any more lift in front of the axle vs. behind. and those pro street brackets would probably work for you. IMO they look killer too.

yea you wont have any noticeable difference in lift or ride if they are on top, in front or back. Those pro-street brackets may work but they may drop it too low also. Just going to have to measure it out. All depends where your top mounts end up

here is waht i have for the bottom
http://ridetech.com/productinfo/productimages/A001B.jpg

[Beyond Static©]

Thats why I'm thinkin about making some brackets to weld to the axle with holes in them. the pro street brackets will bolt up to them, and I can raise them and lower them. I know I can get it all to work good, I just need yall expert's advice.:D

[crosroadscustom]

Your best best would be to do some rectangular tubing with the same width as the inside of the pro street bracket. Then radius one side for the axle, weld it on, and drill your holes for the bracket. Simple really, if you know what you are doing. Damn I have got to get a plasma cutter...:devil:

[Beyond Static©]

thats exactly what I'm talkin about kyle. Seems like it wouldnt be too hard, and it would be adjustable. Will I run into problems welding to the axle? On gmfs, they're runnin a group purchase. kp bolt on 4 link $400, cantilever $360. I am going to buy the 4 link. The group purchase payment dates are between may 23-mid june'ish. I've got a whole month to get all this solved.

[Jimmy P]

Originally posted by Beyond Static
thats exactly what I'm talkin about kyle. Seems like it wouldnt be too hard, and it would be adjustable. Will I run into problems welding to the axle? On gmfs, they're runnin a group purchase. kp bolt on 4 link $400, cantilever $360. I am going to buy the 4 link. The group purchase payment dates are between may 23-mid june'ish. I've got a whole month to get all this solved.

whats stopping you from running the canti or an airbar? I think that would be the simplist solution. $$$ I suppose but your going to have some time/money into these brackets too. They arent too cheap from air ride.

Im not sure if it was said already but how are you planning on running your upper mounts? Off a crossmember or right off the notch?

[Mike]

Thats a great price for the link/canti setup. I just drove to KP yesterday and picked mine up, all the peieces look great, real nice welds on everything.

[Beyond Static©]

The airbar is too pricey for me. I like the canti, but my dad's truck with the airbar rides superb with 255/35's, so I figure if I make a similar setup, it will ride the same, or close to it. I am going to run a bride made of prolly 2" diameter round tubing. All this could change, but these are my thoughts as of now.

[Jimmy P]

the canti will provide just as nice if not a better ride and you get more lift. If you can afford it I would just do that.


1.5" tube would be best...and where are you going to be running it across...im assuming the tops of your notches? If so you would need to go ahead and use that pro-street one because the style I have wont give enough room.

[Beyond Static©]

As far as lift goes, I am not concerned. This setup will mainly be for ride quality. I drive an 8" rear drop everyday, which rides like crap. haha I want something to raise up all the way and look like about a 3" drop. That would be plenty for me. Another reason I dont want to run the canti is because its gonna be a challenge building my own. I love this kind of stuff.............until something doesnt go right.:mad: Yes, bridge bars across the top of the notch's. 1.5" will be plenty to support the rear end of truck?

[Jimmy P]

Originally posted by Beyond Static
As far as lift goes, I am not concerned. This setup will mainly be for ride quality. I drive an 8" rear drop everyday, which rides like crap. haha I want something to raise up all the way and look like about a 3" drop. That would be plenty for me. Another reason I dont want to run the canti is because its gonna be a challenge building my own. I love this kind of stuff.............until something doesnt go right.:mad: Yes, bridge bars across the top of the notch's. 1.5" will be plenty to support the rear end of truck?

Thats cool....one of the reasons I didnt go that route too was because I wanted something a little different and a cleaner chassis. And yea 3/16-1/4" wall 1.5 dia tube will be plenty. Thats what I have from suicidedoors.com.

[Beyond Static©]

I really appreciate yalls help jimmy and kyle(crossroad). This is the kind of stuff that makes fsc an awesome forum. Hey jimmy, if you think of any ideas for me or anyone, post them up. I'm still open for ideas, but I'm kinda set on this current setup I'm planning.

[Jimmy P]

Originally posted by Beyond Static
I really appreciate yalls help jimmy and kyle(crossroad). This is the kind of stuff that makes fsc an awesome forum. Hey jimmy, if you think of any ideas for me or anyone, post them up. I'm still open for ideas, but I'm kinda set on this current setup I'm planning.

well I think the route your thinking of is going to work just fine. Either in front or behind will work fine....where does the panhard run for the kp setup?


The only other way I can think of doing it would be to run the bags on the ouside of the frame. You could weld the upper bag bracket to the side of your notch and run the bottom one off the back of the kp 4 link bracket on the axle. Im not sure if It woud work with kp but Im pretty sure it would work with air ride. Again its just an idea and im just giving you the only other option that I can think of. As long as you can do it without interfering with the tires in might work.

[Beyond Static©]

I think I will just keep it inside the frame rails. I wont have to worry about the tires rubbing for sure. How tall of a notch will I need? An 8" should be plenty right? Also, how tall do you think the section of bed bed will need to be raised to clear the notch?

[Mike]

The KP panhard runs from the drivers side frame to pass side axle bracket behind the axle.

[Jimmy P]

Originally posted by Beyond Static
I think I will just keep it inside the frame rails. I wont have to worry about the tires rubbing for sure. How tall of a notch will I need? An 8" should be plenty right? Also, how tall do you think the section of bed bed will need to be raised to clear the notch?

so your considering cutting the bed then? An 8" is too much....hell its even too much for 22s. The braces that run across the bottom of the bed are 2.5" tall. so you get a little room there. If you want to be safe for all tire sizes run an 8". If you want to keep it as low as possible buy an 8" and cut it down so its just high enough for you to lay out.

[Beyond Static©]

I like this notch beause its low profile. The question is though, will it hold up? I know I will not be able to lay out mounting stuff under the bed since I'm mounting the bags vertical, this is another disadvantage. ohwell. At least it will ride good and lay out :head:

http://ifcustom.com/projects/projectpics/wespics/wes5.jpg

[Jimmy P]

yea i wouldnt sacrafice the strength of your frame for anything either. Just make sure your frame is flat on the ground when you set it up. I couldnt get my front down low enough because it wasnt bagged yet which actually made the back lower. And I set it up for 22s. Now since Im probably running 20s I might have to re-position all the mounts.

[Kid_Rock_GTX]

didnt billy from EMA customs have 20 on the back of his FSC with a lopro notch that was plunty strong enough for daily driving and no hole in his bed... also everything was under the bed

write billy a e-mail cause he was going to build me a notch that would fit under my bed.

[dante81_98]

so is it possible to lay out on 20s with a 255/35 and the kp canti kit without cutting the bed (except maybe for the pumkin)? if not, what size tire can you get on 18s and still do this?

Thanks
Chad