NEED TO BEAT MY BUDDY'S MUSTANG GT! give me some advice:)

[blackbeast]

My best friend has a 95 Mustang GT with the 5.0... everyone says "I have a truck and there's no way my truck will outrun a sports car" well here's the deal i'm lookin to spend some money, and i want to get my best bang for the buck... SO, what could i do to beat that pony?? oh, and if any of you have beat a mustang with a 302 tell me what you've got under the hood!

[TITANIUM]

Which truck are you talking about?

[Cheve11e]

:nutkick: My old 82 (with GM z3 crate) would walk all offer my friends Mom's GT! But then again I'd rather push my 98 Chev than even be seen :eyecrzy: in a 'rust stang' !

[1LOW4X4]

all hes got is a 302??? a supercharger on that 4.8 would blow him away... i have a 5.3 stock, and my cousin has a 5.3 with a wipple supercharger, and he just blows my doors off, and my truck is already quick, so i'd say if you're willing to spent about 5,000 dollars, go for it. another thing, doesnt that mustang have dual overhead cams? i know for a fact that the new body style gt's have FOUR CAMS!!!!! thats outrageous!!! its not even a pushrod motor anymore, of course a car with 2 or four cams is gonna beat a stock truck, but with the right mods, i have read about chevy trucks killing mustands and such...just a thought

[1LOW4X4]

also get rid of those 20 inch rims unless you are gonna go for a supercharger...those things are heavy as hell, you wouldnt believe how much they can slow you down (speakin from experience here)

[vic_V8]

'95 GTs are dogs, 15.8 in the 1/4. that 302 should still be a pushrod motor. get and exhaust system and maybe alittle N2O, you'll have them.

[1989K1500]

Forced induction :read:

[liljon285]

not really my friends 5.0 is running 10s stock but hes like expert in mustangs, so yea u need cams definatly something to force air into the engine and something to let it out of course, dont worry mustangs are pretty slow unless u can handle and kno them and sense the guy is talking shyt he obviusly doesnt know what he can get himself into!

[John M]

10's stock? You mean in the 1/8th mile? Or do you mean stock as in "worked over with every internal mod but no forced induction"? He may do 14's stock, but do you realize how much power it takes to run 10s? A lot. More than you think. A lot.

[Z71Dude]

You can barrow my Camaro :D If I was you, I would ignore him.

[liljon285]

yes 10s with tools from home and a few parts!But like i said this man is a mustang expert not many of those out there!

[CraigT]

10's in the 1/8th......10's in the 1000'? If he ran 10's in the 1/4, I hope he wouldn't talk smack about a buddies stock truck if he actually ran 10's.

[diadora516]

get a full exhaust (headers and back), air filter, custom tune, and maybe gears if you wanna make sure. check out http://www.ststurbo.com/ if you really wanna blow him out of the water

[diadora516]

yes 10s with tools from home and a few parts!But like i said this man is a mustang expert not many of those out there!
tools and a few parts? did he have a supercharger laying around? unless its gutted theres no way it runs 10's with a 'few' parts. if anything he wouldn't get traction.

[liljon285]

the 1/4 but for the third time this guy knoes his stuff about 5.0's i dont thynk this guys buddy will beat the truck if has ebough power to weight ratio cuz mustangs dont weigh much but any chevy truck has mpre hp/torque thats for sure!

[liljon285]

tools and a few parts? did he have a supercharger laying around? unless its gutted theres no way it runs 10's with a 'few' parts. if anything he wouldn't get traction.
no he had slicks on it and no supercharger!

[1Bad454]

Yea he's probably running 10s with a 400 Shot of NOS........ :whatever:

[diadora516]

but what spare parts? he has a set of slicks, cam, intake manifold, gears, etc just laying around?

[Norm02]

If your buddy is running a 5.0 auto it won't be hard at all to spank him. The auto is in those were pertty crappy. That engine stock I think only pushed out 215-235hp. You have already got him by at least fourty hp. If you do a good intake, airraid or k&n, long tubes, asm or thorley, get a tune, slp or wait4me, and really good cat back exhaust system you should be able to beat him. If you get desperate take off your spare tire and your tail gate and anything else that adds any weight. The 5.0's were really a turd back then, and to get into the tens in a quarter mile you need at least 900 hp in a car that heavy. There is no way that just a few small things and a mustang expert are going to get that car in the tens in a quarter mile. I have a 2002 vette with a cat back, tune, and an intake and I am just running in the low 12's. That's a lot faster car to start with than a '95 mustang. Sorry ten's with a few mods isn't possible in any vehicle except for the new Z06 or a viper. Or something that comes from Italy.

[Norm02]

95's are a pushrod motor and have a single cam. Nothing all that special about them.

[93stroker]

i ahve a buddy that has a 635hp 408 and a 310 shot in a fox body.he has almost 30k in that car and ran a best of 10.18.so you don't have to worry about a nesr stock stang running 10's.low 14's with a really good driver.as for your mods,intake,high flow exhaust,tune,100 shot,and you got him.if traction is a prob.take your spare out and put about 50lbs. as far back as possible.that way you don't add much weight you just put it where you get the most out of it

[93stroker]

oh and the 20's have to go.use the shortest tires and lightest rims you can find

[MrCrackman]

I have no idea what these people are talking about, getting a 95 mustang with a 5.0 into the 10's you need about 550 horsepower. So without making your truck completely dedicated to running the quarter mile, I don't know how you are going to beat him. That would cost quite a bit of cash as well, so I think you should just accept that if you raced him and there were two curbs, he'd beat you to the first curb, but he'd have a hell of a time making it to the second curb.

[Z71Dude]

I have over than 7K in my car, and I am not able to break 10's yet

[1LOW4X4]

Freakin junk, thats all...

[vic_V8]

I have no idea what these people are talking about, getting a 95 mustang with a 5.0 into the 10's you need about 550 horsepower. So without making your truck completely dedicated to running the quarter mile, I don't know how you are going to beat him. That would cost quite a bit of cash as well, so I think you should just accept that if you raced him and there were two curbs, he'd beat you to the first curb, but he'd have a hell of a time making it to the second curb.

reread the thread, their are two topics going on at once.

my 305 tbi camaro has beaten every stockish 94-95 GT around here, track even.

[liljon285]

bro mustangs are fast but you gotta be as dedicated to them as we are to are trucks for them to be fast , like down here in miami a lot of people buy 5.0 mustangs becouse they think theyre the best and their not but their not the ****tiest either thats why the stang has such a ****ty reputation becouse many poeple buy em and think they are super fast and theyre not. Yes my friend runs 10 and 11's stock ( but he has slicks and like tiny things done to it and no nos supercharger or turbo at all but the man is a genius with them)So i thynk u got a chance man with a few modication to ur truck u can beat that mustang, and no u dont need 500hp to do ten seconds my brothers srt-4 had 230hp and it does high 13s!But remeber its not all about power its about skill if u can handle ur truck better than anyone u know then youll be ok(but u need modifications of course dont thynk im saying its ALL skill) :nutkick:

[91_bowtie]

But remeber its not all about power its about skill


It's all about the skillz yo! :phatyo:

I've missed this sh!t. :LOL:

[CHEV4LIFE]

bro mustangs are fast but you gotta be as dedicated to them as we are to are trucks for them to be fast , like down here in miami a lot of people buy 5.0 mustangs becouse they think theyre the best and their not but their not the ****tiest either thats why the stang has such a ****ty reputation becouse many poeple buy em and think they are super fast and theyre not. Yes my friend runs 10 and 11's stock ( but he has slicks and like tiny things done to it and no nos supercharger or turbo at all but the man is a genius with them)So i thynk u got a chance man with a few modication to ur truck u can beat that mustang, and no u dont need 500hp to do ten seconds my brothers srt-4 had 230hp and it does high 13s!But remeber its not all about power its about skill if u can handle ur truck better than anyone u know then youll be ok(but u need modifications of course dont thynk im saying its ALL skill) :nutkick:


:pow:

ok so let me recap.....Your "friend" the "guy who knows mustangs" was able to take a stock 1994/5 Mustang GT 5.0L to 10's N/A with nothing more than a few tools and "spare parts" BS
To take a make a vehicle run 10s the list is so long im to lazy to type it all, but I'll hit the basics to prove my point....

Cam
Exhaust (headers and back)
Slicks
weight reduction
gears
Intake
and either a S/C or NOS

To get to my point quickly, your "friend" doesnt exist and he doesnt make mustangs runs 10's.....

As for the original question you CAN make your truck faster than a mustang but the time/money/effort is just not worth it, go and buy a Camaro for less than 500 in mods you can had the mustang his ass.

o and liljon, I know it is so difficult to spell words like you (U) and because (cuz) but when you respond, do try.....

[treyZ28]

boost.

[1fstgmcnd]

Procharge the damn thing.. I LOVE MINE!

[chevytruckguy]

You will need to get your truck to run 15.5 to 15.7 to beat a stock mustang. I know a stock GT will beat my tahoe limited, that thing is heavy (15.89 in the 1/4). When I had a 91 GT, it ran 15.0 @ 94.8 mph, with headers, no cats, flowmasters, 3.73 gears, pulleys, on street tires 245/45 17. 60' time was 2.30-2.28. Stock suspension, heavy car. After heads, intake manifold, 24# injectors, cam, mass air meter, and throttle body; it ran between 13.3 @ 105.5 and 13.7 @103.8 mph. 60' time was between 1.89 and 1.95. Still on the stock suspension and street tires. Temps were between 85 and 95 degrees at Pomona and Bakersfield. Now I have seen a stock 88 GT with drag suspension, slicks, weight reduction and 4.10 gears run 14.2 @ 92 mph. Dont remeber the 60' time. Good luck.

[liljon285]

:pow:

ok so let me recap.....Your "friend" the "guy who knows mustangs" was able to take a stock 1994/5 Mustang GT 5.0L to 10's N/A with nothing more than a few tools and "spare parts" BS
To take a make a vehicle run 10s the list is so long im to lazy to type it all, but I'll hit the basics to prove my point....

Cam
Exhaust (headers and back)
Slicks
weight reduction
gears
Intake
and either a S/C or NOS

To get to my point quickly, your "friend" doesnt exist and he doesnt make mustangs runs 10's.....

As for the original question you CAN make your truck faster than a mustang but the time/money/effort is just not worth it, go and buy a Camaro for less than 500 in mods you can had the mustang his ass.

o and liljon, I know it is so difficult to spell words like you (U) and because (cuz) but when you respond, do try.....
actaully its a fox body next month hes gonna race a TT supra that sopposably does 9's and ima videotape it and ill post it like i said mustangs got a bad reputation thats why evryone ranks on them!Its one of the biggest races at my school and nobody believes that he does 10's but ive seen him and when i video tape his car then the race maybe you'll see when you know to much about your car you can do anything,as far as my spelling its the way I type sometimes I type normal and sometimes i type like that when im in a hurry so if you dont like it then sorry but too bad.( dont mean to be an ass, and i hate fords and im a chevy guy but i love 85-93 5.0 mustngs and i just hate it when poeple rank on somebody's car when they dont know whats under the hood or what CAN be under the hood)so people stop talking ****, again same with you and your truck if your friends mustang sounds like it not all that modificated then just do what evryone has said here,but if the car is super modificated then why would he waist his time on a truck( trust me i know) so that means hes probably been beatin' by a truck and could be again!

[diadora516]

its not talking ****. but there is no way he is hitting 10's unless he is either gutted, boosted, or spraying. especially on a 'stock' 302.

[treyZ28]

are there ANY NA 302 mustangs in any sort of street trim in the 10s?

[chevytruckguy]

None I've ever seen.

[MrCrackman]

Buddy of mine has a fully forged bored out and stroked 5.0 with a 150 shot and he's just barely breaking into the tens.

[Norm02]

It is absolutley impossible to get a 5.0 in the tens with out modifying the crap out of it. My vette could smoke 5.0's with cams intakes and exhaust sytems all day long when it was stock. Those cars are not that fast. You are starting with 215hp or so, horrible suspension, and if it is an auto, you have one of the slowest shifting god awful trannies ever made. Not to mention the car is ten years old!!! It is probably ragged out. If you want a challenge do it. You can beat that thing without having to go nuts on your pocket book.

Try this:
Weight reduction: tail gate, and spare tire
Intake system, not just a new filter
Cat-back exhaust system
Long tube headers
Ultra hot costum tune, wait4me
Ditch the 20's for some light 15's and fat rubber
Under drive pulleys
50 shot of NOS
I would put money on you beating any STOCK 5.0 out there with that stuff done.

[MStefak]

Ive taken stock GT's in town. And i have nothing special.
Crate 350 TBI Chiped( Computer isnt even running right now )
Cam
Exhaust
Intake
Ignition
3.42's
and the ol 700-R4

That S**t just isnt that hard to beat. I mean money talks but I think with some headers w/ dual 2.5 exhaust , Tune, Cam and hell even boost er a bit and grab the MSD and a 150 shot and your good to go !oh did i mention I've taken the stang with the 33's :P

[Sambo]

actaully its a fox body next month hes gonna race a TT supra that sopposably does 9's and ima videotape it and ill post it like i said mustangs got a bad reputation thats why evryone ranks on them!Its one of the biggest races at my school and nobody believes that he does 10's but ive seen him and when i video tape his car then the race maybe you'll see when you know to much about your car you can do anything,as far as my spelling its the way I type sometimes I type normal and sometimes i type like that when im in a hurry so if you dont like it then sorry but too bad.( dont mean to be an ass, and i hate fords and im a chevy guy but i love 85-93 5.0 mustngs and i just hate it when poeple rank on somebody's car when they dont know whats under the hood or what CAN be under the hood)so people stop talking ****, again same with you and your truck if your friends mustang sounds like it not all that modificated then just do what evryone has said here,but if the car is super modificated then why would he waist his time on a truck( trust me i know) so that means hes probably been beatin' by a truck and could be again!
hahahaha, :10: My friends brothers sisters uncle has one that runs 10's too :aniteef:

[1fstgmcnd]

Ive taking down alot of mustangs, nothing super crazy.

[liljon285]

Yea i know i dont believe he could of gotten it into the 10s but he did, and his friend has a 95 cobra that all motor that at one time made it to 9's but only once, its crazy but like i said these poeple are 5.0 mustang freaks they know theyre stuff.But w/e this guy could beat his friends stang as long as hes not running all motor, becouse its hard to do an engine all motor than get 10's, but yea i also know a camaro with an lt1 that ran 11.23 all motor!Stangs and camaros are incredible cars but they can be beatin'!

[treyZ28]

that 5.0 just has wicked potential in a car that light. 4x3 engines rock. 4'' bore is the money number, and the 5.0 has it. think its a coincidence that gm also had a 4x3 engine and both ford and GM had 4x3.25 and 4x3.5 (gm had a 4x3.48, i dont know why but its insignificant).
high revs, light car, unlimited aftermarket- they can move. but people mistake potential with capability. just because it has potential to be a 10 second car doesn't mean it is.

They are some cars that for some reason DEMAND respect on the street. But the majority of them are barely breaking into low 13s and high 12s. I've done a LOT of street racing, more than I care to admit to, and on the street I never ran into anything faster than a mid 12 second mustang that wasn't trailered. The have the sound, they have the slicks and skinnies- but they just dont go.

My conclusion- in order to tap into the potential of the 5.0, you need to know what the **** you are doing. Because it clearly CAN be done- but many fail. A lot less inituitive than a big cube motor I guess. Cant really mess up a big cube motor too bad, or bad enough to not make 400rwhp. High torque bands dont come easy.

But God can they make some power.

[liljon285]

that 5.0 just has wicked potential in a car that light. 4x3 engines rock. 4'' bore is the money number, and the 5.0 has it. think its a coincidence that gm also had a 4x3 engine and both ford and GM had 4x3.25 and 4x3.5 (gm had a 4x3.48, i dont know why but its insignificant).
high revs, light car, unlimited aftermarket- they can move. but people mistake potential with capability. just because it has potential to be a 10 second car doesn't mean it is.

They are some cars that for some reason DEMAND respect on the street. But the majority of them are barely breaking into low 13s and high 12s. I've done a LOT of street racing, more than I care to admit to, and on the street I never ran into anything faster than a mid 12 second mustang that wasn't trailered. The have the sound, they have the slicks and skinnies- but they just dont go.

My conclusion- in order to tap into the potential of the 5.0, you need to know what the **** you are doing. Because it clearly CAN be done- but many fail. A lot less inituitive than a big cube motor I guess. Cant really mess up a big cube motor too bad, or bad enough to not make 400rwhp. High torque bands dont come easy.

But God can they make some power.
exactly thats what im saying this guy knoes his stuff plus its his daily driver, and yea i totally agree camaro's haul ass but both cars are in the same category and do compete and thats when the shyt talking starts becouse ive seen a lot of camaros get tooken by 5.0's and ive seen a lot of 5.0's get tooken by camaros, it happens down here with the seconds poeple do thats why i said my friend is going to race a guy in a supra that sopposably does 9's but no proof.But whatever the man could make his truck have the capability of at least beating his friends 5.0 at least 1/3 races!

[Nick]

exactly thats what im saying this guy knoes his stuff plus its his daily driver,
It doesn't matter how much he "knows his stuff". A bolt-on Mustang like you're describing WILL NOT be anywhere near the 10's in the quarter mile. :read:

[93stroker]

i used to own a 94 gt.pro built 347,240 progressive shot,et streets,tubular k-member,etc.i ran 10.74-10.91 depending on conditions.i made an a** out of alot of bolt on mustangs on the street.i beat most of them 3-5 car lengths without spraying.if your buddy is in the 10's he's way more modded than he's admiting.btw i'm not bashing mustangs i've had 3 and liked them but i know what they'll do and near stock there along way from 10's.i ran my 99 gt with cold air intake,underdrive pulleys,venom controller,75mm throttle body,maf sensor,no cats,and 3in exhaust w/borlas,long tubes,and x-pipe,11.80.

[liljon285]

Ok i got it u dont believe it well i rode with him and i saw him race at the track and saw it with my own eyes, and by knowing his stuff that means he rebuilt his engine and put stuff that still keeps it stiock but highers the performance, i dont care if no one believes me but when he races that supra at the track you will see (becouse i will post the video)

[1989K1500]

Ok i got it u dont believe it well i rode with him and i saw him race at the track and saw it with my own eyes, and by knowing his stuff that means he rebuilt his engine and put stuff that still keeps it stock but highers the performance, i dont care if no one believes me but when he races that supra at the track you will see (becouse i will post the video)
So now its got motor work then? If he built it with stuff that "highers the performance" then it is not stock.

[93stroker]

stock means like it came from the factory.higher compression pistons,cam,etc.means IT'S NOT STOCK.like i said,the car can run 10's but not without heavy mods.

[1989K1500]

stock means like it came from the factory.higher compression piston,cam,etc.means IT'S NOT STOCK
Amen.

[Nick]

So now its got motor work then? If he built it with stuff that "highers the performance" then it is not stock.
I still call :bull: on 10's with no power adder.

[treyZ28]

Lil Jon, not to be an ass- but you are DEFINITELY in over your head..

I've NEVER EVEN HEARD of a true10 second NA daily driven car. NEVER. Well, not unless it was an ultra exotic. Even then I only know one man that drove an exotic for an only, car. When you are the VP of engineering at an exotic car company, I guess you get perks. Keep in mind it was a car worth double what your house costs (assuming you have a 250k house)

The only others I’ve ever heard of have been a supercharged 5.4 cobra with heads, custom cast intake and every goodie. Another being the guy that drives the titan motorsports supra. Both are primary vehicles, neither is NA. Parish daily drive his truck? Maybe he is one. There are several 10 second cars are daily driven. All very expensive and extensive build ups.

It doesn't matter HOW MUCH you know- its impossible to get a 5.0 cobra to the 10s with bolt ons unless its missing body panels. "matching parts" isn't about the right cold air intake and header brands dude. Its about having correct head flow characteristics and valve train events coupled with proper intake manifold runners, cross sections, exhaust tuning and compression ratios with spark timing which is coupled with the correct drivetrain setup. When you can do all the above exceptionally well- you stand a chance. You could have Hogan build your cold air intake and kooks do your headers and catback.

Stock camshafts and cylinder heads will make it IMPOSSIBLE to run 10s.

Simple, easy, math will tell you a 302 will have to rev to the moon to run 10s. Its not going to be a daily driver. you cant daily drive 9000 rpm V8s.

Ohh, and for ****sake! If you aren't going to spell things CLOSE to something that can be deciphered, at least use a god damn period or paragraph. I feel like I spilled my alphabet soup on my monitor. I honestly don’t know if I should throw a dictionary and a 2nd grade grammar book at you or get a spoon.

Lastly, please make a half-assed attempt at ORGANIZING your thoughts? You go from one thing to another. I feel like a 7 year old with ADD just got off the bus after the first day school and a cool day of show-and-tell. “I went into school and my teacher was really nice and we did our work and I got a smiley face and we got to see a snake and it hissed and if we all get 20 smiley faces we have a party and I want to bring cupcakes for my birthday because my teacher said we could and the bus driver gave me candy and I lost my crayon but the teacher had an extra red one so she gave it to me and I learned to tie my shoes all by myself you want to see and the snake hissed right at me but they said it doesn’t bite because they took the teeth out and at recess I went across the monkey bars all by myself and joe is my best friend and I want to play with him tomorrow after school can I?

It honestly takes me 3-4 tries to read that crap, and I am not exactly what you call a poor reader.

btw: I have ADD and I'm ****ty with typing/spelling.

[treyZ28]

please make a half-assed attempt at ORGANiZiNG your thoughts you go from one thing to another i feel like a 7 year old with ADD just got off the bus after the first day school and a cool day of show-and-tell “i went into school and my teacher was really nice and we did our work and i got a smiley face and we got to see a snake and it hissed and if we all get 20 smiley faces we have a party and i want to bring cupcakes for my birthday because my teacher said we could and the bus driver gave me candy and i lost my crayon but the teacher had an extra red one so she gave it to me and i learned to tie my shoes all by myself you want to see and the snake hissed right at me but they said it doesn’t bite because they took the teeth out and at recess i went across the monkey bars all by myself and joe is my best friend and i want to play with him tomorrow after school can I
lil jon not to be an ass- but you are DEFiNitELy in over your head the only 10 second daily driven cars ive seen were all boosted the only ones i’ve ever heard of have been a supercharged 5 4 cobra with heads custom cast intake and every goodie Another being the guy that drives the titan motorsports supra Both are primary vehicles neither is NA all very expensive and extensive build ups it doesn't matter HOW MUCH you know- its impossible to get a 5 0 cobra to the 10s with bolt ons unless its missing body panels "matching parts" isn't about the right cold air intake and header brands dude its about having correct head flow characteristics and valve train events coupled with proper intake manifold runners cross sections exhaust tuning and compression ratios with spark timing which is coupled with the correct parish daily drive his truck maybe he is one there are several 10 second cars are daily driven drivetrain setup When you can do all the above exceptionally well- you stand a chance you could have Hogan build your cold air intake and kooks do your headers and catback stock camshafts and cylinder heads will make it IMPOSSIBLE to run 10 simple easy math will tell you a 302 will have to rev to the moon to run 10s its not going to be a daily driver you cant daily drive 9000 rpm V8s i've NEVER EVEN HEARD of a true10 second NA daily driven car NEVER well not unless it was an ultra exotic even then i only know one man that drove an exotic for an only car When you are the Vp of engineering at an exotic car company i guess you get perks Keep in mind it was a car worth double what your house costs (assuming you have a 250k house) ohh and for ****sake if you aren't going to spell things CLOSE to something that can be deciphered at least use a god damn period or paragraph i feel like i spilled my alphabet soup on my monitor i honestly don’t know if i should throw a dictionary and a 2nd grade grammar book at you or get a spoon it honestly takes me 3-4 tries to read that crap and i am not exactly what you call a poor reader

[liljon285]

You'll see when i postg the video dont worry and ill put up the picture of the slips , and agin for like the thousand time i mean stock as in replacing parts and a few power adders and gears, any car with gears can do anything, we just finish putting 4;55 on his car then we went out and raced this like 78' trans am that does 11s or 10's and the motor was huge, i was with my friend the first gear we took off the trans am was already back three cars then in second we were gone! So until I show you the prove i suggest poeple to stp talking shyt, i know its hard to get a car into the 10s but this guy built his motor and maintaince it right!So just whatever i dont care its not my mustang i have a truck i dont care wat my friend races and what he beats im just saying what i have seen!

[treyZ28]

You'll see when i postg the video dont worry and ill put up the picture of the slips , and agin for like the thousand time i mean stock as in replacing parts and a few power adders and gears, any car with gears can do anything, we just finish putting 4;55 on his car then we went out and raced this like 78' trans am that does 11s or 10's and the motor was huge, i was with my friend the first gear we took off the trans am was already back three cars then in second we were gone! So until I show you the prove i suggest poeple to stp talking shyt, i know its hard to get a car into the 10s but this guy built his motor and maintaince it right!So just whatever i dont care its not my mustang i have a truck i dont care wat my friend races and what he beats im just saying what i have seen!


:banghead:
http://www.swissinfo.org/xobix_media/images/sri/2003/sriimg20031008_4319860_0.jpg+http://img.timeinc.net/time/magazine/archive/covers/1994/1101940718_400.jpg

and all pontiac motors were huuuuuge and most didn't like to rev.

[chevytruckguy]

This is too funny. In high school I had a 75 Firebird with the 400. It was a dog. It had horrible 2.79 gears or something like that, which made that gutless motor even worse. I hope this thread never ends. LOL.

[1989K1500]

I still call :bull: on 10's with no power adder.
Me too, but I was jsut saying that its not a stock motor if its been all gone through with performance parts.

[treyZ28]

This is too funny. In high school I had a 75 Firebird with the 400. It was a dog. It had horrible 2.79 gears or something like that, which made that gutless motor even worse. I hope this thread never ends. LOL.
Those cars were pretty cool though. However, Pontiac engines left more to be desired for the most part.

301- worst V8 in modern history- even with boost. And its the size a 502. I honestly think that the turbo 301 was the worst forced induction performance engine ever. Between the 301 and 305 tbi, GM has a pretty good wrap on the ****ty V8 market. There was a 28x engine back in the day that sucked too, wasn't there?

[1989K1500]

I feel like I spilled my alphabet soup on my monitor. I honestly don’t know if I should throw a dictionary and a 2nd grade grammar book at you or get a spoon.
:LOL: :LOL: :LOL:

[chevytruckguy]

Don't remember, but those 307's (I think) in the 80's monte carlos, were pretty bad too. I wish I still had that Firebird, it would be smog exempt here in CA.

[treyZ28]

:LOL: :LOL: :LOL:

And they dare say the south is unedju.. unedgeyou- dumb.

[treyZ28]

Don't remember, but those 307's (I think) in the 80's monte carlos, were pretty bad too. I wish I still had that Firebird, it would be smog exempt here in CA.


Those were the 305 tbi I was just talking about! No power. No potential. Sell on ebay and engine replica boat achor. With a bore that size.... nothing good can come in a sports car.

There is some racing class, can't remember which, but my friend is it with his fox-bod/5.0. They limit the fords to a 302 (5.0s) and the camaros to a 305. they cant even go SBC 302 (4x3). Uhh yeah, its a fox body class now.

[1989K1500]

And they dare say the south is unedju.. unedgeyou- dumb.
I'm sure you guys get ass god off an edjumucation as we do up Nurth. :windowlic

[treyZ28]

I'm sure you guys get ass god off an edjumucation as we do up Nurth. :windolic

hahahahahha.
<----yankee

High schools everywhere suck. We all get to be as smart as the dumbest one, since we can't leave anyone behind :chair:

[1Bad454]

LiL Jon, Your friend is pulling your leg. :run:

[liljon285]

alright whatever i own a chevy and im on a chevy site i should be hating on mustangs, and we completely changed the subject from what this guy is trieng to do(beat his friends mustang).And education should'nt be a difference in north and sout maybe way south like here in miami becouse theres barely any amricans anymore!

[liljon285]

Those were the 305 tbi I was just talking about! No power. No potential. Sell on ebay and engine replica boat achor. With a bore that size.... nothing good can come in a sports car.

.
HEY i got a 305 in my truck.No wait it is a hog nevermind,lol you think i should swap it to a 350c.i. or just add parts to the 305c.i.( i know its changing the topic but from all this math we went through about no way it can make 10 seconds,might as well help me out with my engine)

[treyZ28]

Did you really just quote me and then ask that?

"no power, no potential" 350's are $300 away from being thrown at you when you piss off the junk yard owner. You can buy a crate 350 for a few grand and have more power without touching it than you could ever get out of a 305.

[liljon285]

my dad built a 350 and cost him over $2500 and i really cant afford that.

['95-Silverado]

bro mustangs are fast but you gotta be as dedicated to them as we are to are trucks for them to be fast , like down here in miami a lot of people buy 5.0 mustangs becouse they think theyre the best and their not but their not the ****tiest either thats why the stang has such a ****ty reputation becouse many poeple buy em and think they are super fast and theyre not. Yes my friend runs 10 and 11's stock ( but he has slicks and like tiny things done to it and no nos supercharger or turbo at all but the man is a genius with them)So i thynk u got a chance man with a few modication to ur truck u can beat that mustang, and no u dont need 500hp to do ten seconds my brothers srt-4 had 230hp and it does high 13s!But remeber its not all about power its about skill if u can handle ur truck better than anyone u know then youll be ok(but u need modifications of course dont thynk im saying its ALL skill) :nutkick:


Holy sht, you were born in 1991??!?!

Sorry, i know, off topic. To beat a mustang, do what Parish did to his NBS, he's about a 9 sec truck at 1/4!

:D

[treyZ28]

my dad built a 350 and cost him over $2500 and i really cant afford that.
...save your money.

but you can get a salvage yard 350 for far less than that with some kind of decent power. try ebay.

[CHEV4LIFE]

:gone2far:


Quit.........
Quit while your still have a shread of self respect.........

I am waiting with anticipation for this video, please post as soon as you get it, In fact ill save some time and pick the bull**** excuse your going to use...how about I didn't have the camera or ummmm what about it wont load on my computer.... those are my two favorite. :slap: and are you serious, about asking about a 30Fried after trey JUST finished explaining how useless they are...Just so you know this isnt some middle school playground, you spew BS and you will get called on it, we arnt going agree with you cuz.....o sorry, because it sounds cool it just doesnt work like that in the real world. Infact your ongoing stories have annoyed me so much ive got to the point today where i actually checked out the possibility of running such times with a "stock" mustang with gears. I have concluded they run an average of 14.2 give or take (results not produced on a track) so please post your video and prove me wrong :middle:

:owned:


Now for the SBC talk here we go........

The 283 was a pretty respectable engine for its time, however its time being 50 years ago to todays standards its a joke, but that humble V8 is the basis to what 90% of us on this board have pumping in our trucks, so consider it your grandfather, give it some respect and retire it to a place where other old **** is :aniteef:

The 305 as crappy as a design as it is They CAN be made legit, but in saying this a legit 305 is a mildy modded 350 so no one bothers. Back in 90 my dad bought a IROC 305 TPI brand new kept it for years, have almost everything it could have cam, intake, roller top end, exhaust the works, and it would win you the pink slip of a many unsespecting mustang, but it you put the 350 in there it would be another animal, the point im making is the TBI and Carbed versions of the 5.0 were junk, i think the only saving grace is the Multiport setup.

and Finally, im toying with making a "modern" 302 for a classic truck i wish to buy....

-350 4 bolt main block
-283 crank
-roller top end
-vortec heads
-TPI injection :cool:

I think it would be on bitchin truck :burn:

[liljon285]

:gone2far:


Quit.........
Quit while your still have a shread of self respect.........

I am waiting with anticipation for this video, please post as soon as you get it, In fact ill save some time and pick the bull**** excuse your going to use...how about I didn't have the camera or ummmm what about it wont load on my computer.... those are my two favorite. :slap: and are you serious, about asking about a 30Fried after trey JUST finished explaining how useless they are...Just so you know this isnt some middle school playground, you spew BS and you will get called on it, we arnt going agree with you cuz.....o sorry, because it sounds cool it just doesnt work like that in the real world. Infact your ongoing stories have annoyed me so much ive got to the point today where i actually checked out the possibility of running such times with a "stock" mustang with gears. I have concluded they run an average of 14.2 give or take (results not produced on a track) so please post your video and prove me wrong :middle:

:owned:


Now for the SBC talk here we go........

The 283 was a pretty respectable engine for its time, however its time being 50 years ago to todays standards its a joke, but that humble V8 is the basis to what 90% of us on this board have pumping in our trucks, so consider it your grandfather, give it some respect and retire it to a place where other old **** is :aniteef:

The 305 as crappy as a design as it is They CAN be made legit, but in saying this a legit 305 is a mildy modded 350 so no one bothers. Back in 90 my dad bought a IROC 305 TPI brand new kept it for years, have almost everything it could have cam, intake, roller top end, exhaust the works, and it would win you the pink slip of a many unsespecting mustang, but it you put the 350 in there it would be another animal, the point im making is the TBI and Carbed versions of the 5.0 were junk, i think the only saving grace is the Multiport setup.

and Finally, im toying with making a "modern" 302 for a classic truck i wish to buy....

-350 4 bolt main block
-283 crank
-roller top end
-vortec heads
-TPI injection :cool:

I think it would be on bitchin truck :burn:
dont worry its the biggest race at the school if I dont get a chance to record it one of my friends will!

[treyZ28]

Why Wont You Use A Damn Period?

[SolMan98]

boy this thread went to hell fast.

as far as the original question. sorry, but can't remember if you actually mentioned if you have raced him before. if so, how close? if not, then race him and see how close. then you can get a better idea of what you may have to do. if it's a close race, you may not need much. if he walks on you, then unless you want to spend $$$, just forget it (tell him you want to play tug-of-war LOL).

oh, and i can't wait to see this video............................

[Chrispycj8]

the cheapest way to beat him would be to borrow a pair of nearly identical enclosed trailers, load them both up to about 6000#, and hook one up to each vehicle. then race.

either that, or add a 90 degree left turn to the race course. since mustanks CANT turn at speed, when he careens off into the grass trying to turn more than 10degrees at over 30mph, you win.

or, race in the rain. as the mustank sits at the starting line fishtailing because it cant hook up, simply put yoru truck in 2nd and drive off for teh win.

OR, you could put half a yard of dirt in the back of each one..

OR, you could compare resale values..

OR, you could just challange him to an 'endurace race'. both of you drive around town on a hot day for 2 hours.. untill his tranny locks up, or the front suspension falls out of the 'stank.. or his AC quits working.. or the rear end siezes.....

you have a truck. for what you paid for the truck, you could have bought any number of cars that would wax that mustank, stock. just about anything on the road these days will do sub 7 second zero to 60 times, and 15 second quarters. go buy yourself a Neon SRT-4 and run circles around him, then laugh at him that his POS used ford hatchback got waxed by a NEON!!!

[DemoN]

i believe you. mustangs are mad fast. :read: i can totally see how a stock 95 got get into the 10s :D it's all about the driver! your friend sounds like a true racer...i bet he lives his life a 1/4 mile at a time, huh?:burn:

:LOL::LOL: FnF 4 lif Yo!

[treyZ28]

the cheapest way to beat him would be to borrow a pair of nearly identical enclosed trailers, load them both up to about 6000#, and hook one up to each vehicle. then race.

either that, or add a 90 degree left turn to the race course. since mustanks CANT turn at speed, when he careens off into the grass trying to turn more than 10degrees at over 30mph, you win.

or, race in the rain. as the mustank sits at the starting line fishtailing because it cant hook up, simply put yoru truck in 2nd and drive off for teh win.

OR, you could put half a yard of dirt in the back of each one..

OR, you could compare resale values..

OR, you could just challange him to an 'endurace race'. both of you drive around town on a hot day for 2 hours.. untill his tranny locks up, or the front suspension falls out of the 'stank.. or his AC quits working.. or the rear end siezes.....

you have a truck. for what you paid for the truck, you could have bought any number of cars that would wax that mustank, stock. just about anything on the road these days will do sub 7 second zero to 60 times, and 15 second quarters. go buy yourself a Neon SRT-4 and run circles around him, then laugh at him that his POS used ford hatchback got waxed by a NEON!!!

i dont know who we are talking about at this point- but if its the 305 tbi my money is on the mustang...

and my resale sucks. my truck is worth less than 1/3 sticker :idiot:

[BoneDaddy]

I tried getting through this thread, but about halfway through liljon's 3rd post I got a headache and went cross-eyed. :wtf:

[vic_V8]

i dont know who we are talking about at this point- but if its the 305 tbi my money is on the mustang...

and my resale sucks. my truck is worth less than 1/3 sticker :idiot:

the 305 tbi in my camaro will pull on those 94-95 mustang GTs all day.

on the subject of SBC, look at building a 'square' motor for power (4" x 4")

[Bayouvette]

sticky tires
nice stall
full exhaust
gears
cam swap
tune
tranny cooler
beef up transmission

should be around mid 13's..

only problem is your truck will drive totally different.
with the stall the pedal may feel a little mushy..
lumpy idle and little shake from the camshaft

And as soon as you start modifying and racing **** starts breakin..

---
to the dude with the friend with the 10 sec mustang.

10sec is very possible and believable 10 sec Stock.. NO. not going to happen.

You then said he rebuilt his motor and put in high performance parts. GUESS WHAT. Thats not stock.. Saying its stock is whats got everyone on your case.. Its not that a mustang can't run 10s. It just will not do it stock.. Stock is stock.
And the foxbody is one of the best platforms to build a drag car because of its weight and unlimited amount of cheap mods available.

[CHEV4LIFE]

BTW whens the big race?

[1989K1500]

i bet he lives his life a 1/4 mile at a time, huh?:burn:

:LOL::LOL: FnF 4 lif Yo!
:LOL: I'm sure if he double clutched insteada granny shiftin hed be in the 9s. ANd for that 9 seconds or less, hed be free, nothin would matter, not his crew and their stupid chit, nothin.

:LOL:

[liljon285]

BTW whens the big race?
in about a month or two i really dont care if he does 11 second or even nine i just want him to beat that guy in the tt supra that says he does 8 and 9's!

[treyZ28]

the 305 tbi in my camaro will pull on those 94-95 mustang GTs all day.

on the subject of SBC, look at building a 'square' motor for power (4" x 4")


I think and squart and further is only good for boost. You really, really start to loose rpm capability after a 4x3.25 to 4x3.5. by 4x4- its has no rev potential

[vic_V8]

I think and squart and further is only good for boost. You really, really start to loose rpm capability after a 4x3.25 to 4x3.5. by 4x4- its has no rev potential


I too love the ideas of the 302, 327, and 377, but after tons of research, I've found that there is no reason to destroke a motor, you aren't actually making anymore power by doing so.

[launch_polaris]

sell your truck, pick up an 86 or 87 buick grand national (or T-Type)
with extremely mild bolt ons they will easily run low 12s as long as theres enough traction, but handle like an empty dump truck on a dirt road. they can also run into the 11s, 10s, and lower for less money annd time than working on an 11 second vette would.

[1989K1500]

sell your truck, pick up an 86 or 87 buick grand national (or T-Type)
with extremely mild bolt ons they will easily run low 12s as long as theres enough traction, but handle like an empty dump truck on a dirt road. they can also run into the 11s, 10s, and lower for less money annd time than working on an 11 second vette would.
Except he would be farther ahead money wise to keep his truck and buy a supercharger.

[treyZ28]

I too love the ideas of the 302, 327, and 377, but after tons of research, I've found that there is no reason to destroke a motor, you aren't actually making anymore power by doing so.
time for more research.

it depends on what your power goal and power band is.

below 7000rpm and below for an agressive strip car with street time- 396, id go 383
a balanced street/strip sub 7k rpm id go 383...hestantly.
after 7k rpm you are going 350 and below. piston velocities and piston g's on an 8000rpm 396 (which isn't even 4 yet, its like 3.85 or so) is incredible and the cost of parts will be very high while durability will fall. Heavy sidewall loading, shorter rods and the whole 9 yards.

[SAvoltage]

'95 GTs are dogs, 15.8 in the 1/4. that 302 should still be a pushrod motor. get and exhaust system and maybe alittle N2O, you'll have them.

im a big mustang guy be be very careful of the 5.0's, you put many mods on them and they can be very quick. and 15.8 is WRONG.

[CHEV4LIFE]

I called 14.2 which i think is fairly accurate, however my friends has a borla exhaust and bbk intake, ive never raced him in my truck since all mods i wonder how id fair:think:

[big ben]

Can't wait to see this video, "in a month or two." Why not race now?

This thread is cracking me up.

[vic_V8]

im a big mustang guy be be very careful of the 5.0's, you put many mods on them and they can be very quick. and 15.8 is WRONG.


well rustang boy, after alittle more research (besides the track) Motortrend said 15.1 and road and track said 15.8 @88.2 :ford:

[whiteLiftedZ71]

Liljon give it up there isn't anyway that your friends 5.0 is going to even get in the 13's without mods. I had an 03 Cobra and ran a KB with 19 PSI, Borla catback, spray, ect and I still with well over 600+ RWHP only ran high 10's. With a good driver I might have run 10.2 or 10.3 in optimum conditions. 5.0's have alot of potential, but just add a radix to your truck, cam, nice tune and a set of long tubes and call it a day.

[treyZ28]

well rustang boy, after alittle more research (besides the track) Motortrend said 15.1 and road and track said 15.8 @88.2 :ford:
thats not accurate. gotta be an auto poorly driven into a headwind.

15.8 is balls slow.

My boss found an article where an 02 SS ran a 14.2 so he thought his subaru legacy GT was faster.

magazines suck. its why i only read automotive engineer- its just talking about new technology in cars- it doesn't have much subjectivity.

[Sandracer799]

in about a month or two i really dont care if he does 11 second or even nine i just want him to beat that guy in the tt supra that says he does 8 and 9's!

Dude either put up the dang video or :shutup: because you are seriously losing this battle. Every time i read one of your post i am officially dumber.


Why does the race have to be in a "month or Two" why not now??

[CHEV4LIFE]

clearly this guy is in way over his head and this "race" will never happen, he will either

a)not return to this forum
B) not post the video
C) make the "race" so far away most of us will forget

[John M]

My boss found an article where an 02 SS ran a 14.2 so he thought his subaru legacy GT was faster.

My other car is a Subaru Legacy GT (http://moojohn.com/subaru). I'd run a stock F-body any day. If they can drive I'll lose but with the tiniest screwup I get the win light. My 13.9 was on a hot & humid day; my assometer says it'll do ~ 13.70s when it's cool and dry out.

Would I run from a roll? Hell no! There's already a Legacy with just exhaust & ECU mods running 12.7 @ 106 on the stock hairdryer so there's potential without spending real money. I, however, do plan to spend "real money" and will be in the 11s soon enough :D (and real 11s, none of the stuff like from earlier in this thread)

Anyway, for liljon285:

You've got to realize that we aren't talking about Mustangs as if we've never seen one. We were there to experience them since the Fox body came into being. We remember when 200hp was considered a lot (the fuel injected 86 Ford 5.0 made 150hp). Lots of us spend time at the track, racing for real, and not taking just magazine numbers as fact.

I hope your friend's Mustang is packing some serious hp though, because if the Supra owner is talking smack there's a good chance he can back it up. People who can buy a Supra can afford real mods too. Drop a small single turbo into it and you'll do easy 11s at 125+ mph. Go with a larger turbo & some fuel mods and you can do over 1000 hp. That's real speed and not something to be considered in the same class as the usual buzzbomb rice rockets.

If the car he's supposed to run has a tag that says 1KHP or something like that, well good luck then because let's just say the tag isn't lying...

[treyZ28]

My other car is a Subaru Legacy GT (http://moojohn.com/subaru). I'd run a stock F-body any day. If they can drive I'll lose but with the tiniest screwup I get the win light. My 13.9 was on a hot & humid day; my assometer says it'll do ~ 13.70s when it's cool and dry out.

Would I run from a roll? Hell no! There's already a Legacy with just exhaust & ECU mods running 12.7 @ 106 on the stock hairdryer so there's potential without spending real money. I, however, do plan to spend "real money" and will be in the 11s soon enough :D (and real 11s, none of the stuff like from earlier in this thread)

uhhh- a little screw up? LS1s run low 13s all day stock. pretty bad to run a 14 on a low 13 second car. especialy when many run 12.9 stock.

i'm not sure how a roll would help you. you have AWD launches and your turbo isn't big enough for signicant lag. there is almost no lag. and the LS1 is a force to be reconed with from a roll :D

they are cool cars though. certainly boogie. awd is fun too.

my main point was that most of the time, magazine stats are a waste of time.

[liljon285]

Dude either put up the dang video or :shutup: because you are seriously losing this battle. Every time i read one of your post i am officially dumber.


Why does the race have to be in a "month or Two" why not now??
Becouse the supra is not done and he doesnt want to race my friend yet so then my frined will put a few mods now to. I dont know what hes going to put yet though put he will fix it up pretty nice as well as the body.The guy in the supra is an ameteur and is kind of scared to race my friend but sense every one call him(the guy with the supra) the fastest car in the school(just becouse its a supra) my friend is for sure going to be racing some how, but the guy with the supra is still "thinking about it" which pisses me off becouse theyre saying now two months,and I'm like you i want to see the race now but whatever dont worry i'll post it and I wont forget.

[Sandracer799]

The guy in the supra is an ameteur

Dude your 14, all of your friends are amateurs

[chrias]

Ahhh...don't you just love bench racers? The Supra isn't even done yet and they're talking about how fast it's going to be. Betcha it comes out of the shop with Fast & Furious stickers that will give him a 1000 HP.

As for a stock 95 GT, I used to rape one all day long with my modded 305 86 Grand Prix.

[91redchevy]

I have several freinds that are die hard mustang freaks and I was showing them this guys
posts, they could barely get off the floor they were laughing so hard. We don't doubt a
stang could run what he says just not stock. I just wanted to thank him for the many laughter
induced tears since i've been keeping up with this topic.

[treyZ28]

wait till you actually figure out what he is saying!

[Pauly]

uhhh- a little screw up? LS1s run low 13s all day stock. pretty bad to run a 14 on a low 13 second car. especialy when many run 12.9 stock.

i'm not sure how a roll would help you. you have AWD launches and your turbo isn't big enough for signicant lag. there is almost no lag. and the LS1 is a force to be reconed with from a roll :D

they are cool cars though. certainly boogie. awd is fun too.

my main point was that most of the time, magazine stats are a waste of time.

trey, he stated that he WOULDNT race an LS1 car from a roll.

I agree that magazines do suck, their 1/4 mile times are always WAY off. They rate the 1997 LT4SS running a 13.2@109 mph, hogwash, those things with a good driver run 12's. But thats the thing, the only magazine that truly launches as hard and powershifts the cars when they test is GMHTP. They have had a few tests with a 6 speed Camaro in the 12's. A whole lot of the 6 speed performance is reliant on the driver.

heck at the drags 1 time, their was a guy in a 99 WS6 6-speed in the other lane that I raced. I was excited that I was about to be handed my ass by such a beautifull car, but I ended up smoking this guy, he ran a 15.8 to my 15.0, I never saw the car at all. I am not saying than my truck is a faster or quicker vehicle, this just illustrates how manuual cars are driver oriented for their performance. I felt like asking the WS6 owner if I could show him how to drive his car.
the lastest GMHTP also had a 1997 Firehawk LT4, the guy ran a 14.5 in it, he said that he has a real problem wringing out the revs in a 1 of 33 car with 750 miles on it. To me thats crap, he was timing against,a Zo6, a ZR1, a Callaway Vette, Sycones, typhoons, Turbo TA's (89), and a n LS1 330hp LS1 Firehawk and they also had a GNX. All were stock, the ZO6 won with a 12.00, but damn, that LT4 Firehawk owner should be ashamed, if that was my car, I would have tried my best, That car had a chance to beat a lot of those cars. I would have felt so embarrassed to run a 14.2 is such an underrated car. They easily dyno with and exceed some of the LS1 GEN3 cars, but oh well. Its not like the car would have broke, even if it did, its jsut a clutch or gears, and really its just an Fbody, with the most powerful fuel injected pushrod engine that GM ever made in a car. It really bothers me when people take their cars to their collector cars to the drags and run them limp wristed like. Keep it on the trailer if you arent going to try. The guy got like a 2.4 60 ft time, so he didnt even get on to it.

I saw a guy run a bonestock 1 of 69 1969(edit that should have said 1969) 427 cid ZL1 all aluminum big block COPO Camaro to an 11.3 at 120+ mph. Even though that guy kinda walked it out of the hole(it had 4.10's), once she was hooked up he wailed that thing, he said he was shifting at 6800 rpm, with perhaps the most rare engine that GM has ever built, this ZL1 is far more rare than the LT5 ZR! engine. I had a lot of respect for that guy, that car was built specifically for what he was doing to it, The sound of that ZL1 screaming and hearing the tires squawk after the M22 rockcrusher banged gears was music to my ears, I knew I was witnessing something that very few people had ever seen, and even fewer will ever see in the future. This guy even has ZL1 painted all over the trailer. This guy had rented the track for the afternoon, and I had shown up early for the night test and tune and I got o see this car run 3 times. That car was beautiful, I wish I had a camera, the guy was really nice, he let me crawl all over his car. Now that guy was taking a piece of history and see ing what it would do, exactly what I would do.

peace
Hog

[White 99 Z-71]

I skipped the other 5 pages on this thread, so if I say somethin ghtat's already been established, please excuse me.

First off, never go off of what a car mag says a car runs...track conditions/altitude, the way the car is optioned, and also the fact that car mag guys can't drive for crap most of the time has alot to do with it. A stock '95 Mustang GT isn't going to run a 15.8 unless it's got an automatic, 2.73 gears and is pulling a small trailer. I know those cars weren't the fastest, but they are more in the 14.8-15.2 range.

On the guy running "10's stock" I have to raise the BS flag. He could have heads/cam/intake and a 150-175 shot on it, and run a 10...depending on the combination of parts etc. He could have a "stock" motor and a single turbo on it and run 10's as well. I don't know why people bag on mustangs so much, yes the majority are ragged out pieces of junk,but that's no reason to discriminate all of them. Don't doubt my Mustang knowledge, because they are the one thing out there that I know better than the palm of my own hand.

If the GT is a bone stock 95 car, then a rcsb truck shouldn't have a problem taking him. Hell, my rcsb '03 Chevy with a 4.8 and 3.42's ran a couple of high 15's at 89-91mph. I've got taller than stock tires on it, so that kinda kills it down low, but it pulls back harder on the top end. I've tossed around ideas of a full exhaust, and a trail blazer stall converter...that right there should knock it down into the low 15's easily...then spray on top of that and you've got a pretty decently peppy truck. (FWIW, I hate Nitrous and wouldn't ever use it)

Mustangs can be quick stock...my '91 when it had a bone stock motor in it, with just longtube headers and 3.55's out back ran high 13's on 17" tires with a roadrace suspension underneath it. A lot of it has to do with the driver, and I am one of th ebest drivers that I know of.

[1989K1500]

I saw a guy run a bonestock 1 of 69 1960 427 cid ZL1 all aluminum big block COPO Camaro to an 11.3 at 120+ mph.
I'm guessin it was 1 of 1 if it was a 60.

:LOL:

But 69 COPO Camaros are sweeeeeeeet.

[josh89chevy]

Ok. This thread is full of bs. I know this is a chevy site, but I'm really into mustangs, especially 86-93 foxes, but I know a lot about all of them, so let me correct everyone. 86-93s ran anywhere from low 14s to low 15s, depending on model. Coupes/Notches were the fastest, because they were the lightest, LX hatches were close behind, and GTs were just slow. 94-95 gained 400lbs, and dropped 10 hp. Yes, they run mid 15s, I know it's hard to believe, but it's true. I know this is hard to believe as well, but I'm looking at a magazine right now with a 93 coupe, with nothing but a cold air intake, full exhaust, underdrive pulleys, 3.73s, slicks, light wheels and one hell of a driver, running 12.77 in the 1/4. This car in particular dynoed at 220rwhp, and weighed in at 2885 lbs.

Now as far the kid claiming 10s with a STOCK mustang. I think he simply doesn't understand what STOCK means.

[White 99 Z-71]

Actually, there are many 87-93 cars STOCK which run mid-high 13's. MMFF did a shootout a couple years back, and this chick's '87 lx hatch bone stock down to 2.73's and everything with a 5-speed ran a 13.99@100mph. Some cars are flat-out freaks, and actually '87 has been proven to be the fastest/strongest stock for stock models built. '93 they lost 10hp...they changed head designs adn were only rated at 215hp. Speed Density cars stock for stock will own mass air cars all day long, but once you start modding them, that's where the mass air cars shine...the speed density can't read/monitor changing variables as quickly/well as a mass air car can.

[diadora516]

i just wanna know how it goes from stock, to bolt ons, to a built motor...and they guy with the supra says he runs 9's? its not even done. who says it will even run. post a slip/dyno or don't talk. you have to pay to run 10's. its not a 'rummage through the garage and gather some old parts'. i would like to think my truck runs high 14's, but its more like a 15-16.

['95-Silverado]

Holy hell, let this go. It has been beat to death already. The kid is gone, incase you missed his goodbye thread in Whatever Forum.. He's gone, ENOUGH!

Sheesh. :digger:s

[SAvoltage]

well rustang boy, after alittle more research (besides the track) Motortrend said 15.1 and road and track said 15.8 @88.2 :ford:

say what you want about "rustangs" but i cant wait to see the video where that car that runs "15.8's" runs a 14.5. muscle car wise mustangs are the ****, truck wise gm rule the pack.

[DemoN]

Dude your 14, all of your friends are amateurs

:LOL::LOL::LOL:

[vic_V8]

say what you want about "rustangs" but i cant wait to see the video where that car that runs "15.8's" runs a 14.5. muscle car wise mustangs are the ****, truck wise gm rule the pack.

I've witnessed a couple 15.8s at the track actually, because I ran the same that day when my RS was Stock.

I too was a mustang guy at one time, actually I was damn close to buyinig a 94 GT. I'm not dogging the mustang in anyway, just putting some information out there for everyone.

[vic_V8]

say what you want about "rustangs" but i cant wait to see the video where that car that runs "15.8's" runs a 14.5. muscle car wise mustangs are the ****, truck wise gm rule the pack.

I've witnessed a couple 15.8s at the track actually, because I ran the same that day when my RS was Stock.

I too was a mustang guy at one time, actually I was damn close to buyinig a 94 GT. I'm not dogging the mustang in anyway, just putting some information out there for everyone.

[DemoN]

....but whatever dont worry i'll post it and I wont forget.

well...seeing that you're leaving...i guess we're never going to see that "vid" now, huh? :LOL::LOL:

[4x4wheelindad]

10's in the 1/4 mile with this particular 'stang? No #$@% way!!! He's blowin' ya smoke!!

[DemoN]

He's blowin' ya smoke!!
apparently :LOL::head:

[97Silverado]

You guyth are tho mean.

[DemoN]

You guyth are tho mean.

that's the first time i "heard" a lisp on the internet :LOL::LOL:

[mrflames]

damm i just read threw this hole thread, funny chit

[josh89chevy]

say what you want about "rustangs" but i cant wait to see the video where that car that runs "15.8's" runs a 14.5. muscle car wise mustangs are the ****, truck wise gm rule the pack.

Sorry, but a 94-95 GT will never run a 14.5 bone stock. Maybe with 3.73s, drag radials, and a good driver. You'd be lucky to get an 86-93 to run 14.5 stock, and they're 400lb lighter.

[HP409ss]

Sorry, but a 94-95 GT will never run a 14.5 bone stock. Maybe with 3.73s, drag radials, and a good driver. You'd be lucky to get an 86-93 to run 14.5 stock, and they're 400lb lighter.

14.5 is that fast?? J/K.

[josh89chevy]

14.5 is that fast?? J/K.

Yes, 14.5 is very fast, unless you have V-Tec.

[skynetamit]

treZ28 email me at skynetamit@hotmail.com, I am interested in your BFgs.


I barely ever post here. But liljohn just made me laugh my ass off.

[smcSport1500]

Dang. . . . I just read this whole thread, I think I broke a sweat. I have to say that is was very intertaining.

Its like reality internet or something, I don't even have to watch tv anymore, just come to FSC, awesome, I'll never leave my computer now, lol. :FSCrules:

Edit > I also can't wait to see that video, I really hope he puts it up. :jackass:

[midget1]

uhm..what does modificated mean???

[DemoN]

14.5 is that fast?? J/K.

No...but 14.2 is :burn:

[1LOW4X4]

who the hell was it that said mustangs rule the muscle car world? they are very very mistaken. a z-28 or ss would leave a mustang like it was standing still. i cant remember what year it was, but the magazine HOT ROD did a test which involved a 94 RS camaro with a manual tranny (just a reg camaro) and a 94 gt mustang with the auto. the V8 gt mustang BARELY beat the V6 camaro in the quarter. heck, just look at how the v-6 cars perform against each other. my mother in law has a 2002 v-6 firebird, and my wife has a 2002 v-6 mustang. the firebird leaves the stang IN THE DUST.

Furthermore, as far as trucks go, my 2001 5.3 (rated at 285 hp flywheel) dynoed at only 241 hp rear wheel. the 2005 (brand ass new) F-150 3Valvespercylinder 5.4 (rated at 300 hp) dynoed at only 203 hp in the december issue of truckin. (they did a before and after test of headers and a cat back). i've raced two 2005 5.4,s and i've been ahead of both of them by like 2 trucks lengths. come on guys...wake up. everyone knows ford isnt worth the embarrasement of driving.

[1LOW4X4]

Becouse the supra is not done and he doesnt want to race my friend yet so then my frined will put a few mods now to. I dont know what hes going to put yet though put he will fix it up pretty nice as well as the body.The guy in the supra is an ameteur and is kind of scared to race my friend but sense every one call him(the guy with the supra) the fastest car in the school(just becouse its a supra) my friend is for sure going to be racing some how, but the guy with the supra is still "thinking about it" which pisses me off becouse theyre saying now two months,and I'm like you i want to see the race now but whatever dont worry i'll post it and I wont forget.

go get the dorky librarian girl who drives a geo metro and race her. she'll give that stang and supra a run for their money. i remember back in school, this guy had a 70 something model nova, has hundreds of dollars worth of bondo, and it was loud. we thought that thing was so fast. until the geometry teacher blew him away leaving school one day in his toyota 4-runner.

my dad has a 66 nova-chevy II. its has a 350, and is strictly a drag car. roll cage, tubbed out, 2 speed power glide, open headers e.t.c. runs on alcohol. it means business, and he competes in super chevy every year. it runs 10.30's consistently. lil jon is a gay ass clown force not to be reckoned with.

[dearmansg]

Listen up my friend my buddy has a 96 GT Auto with exhaust(flowmaster) and gears. I have a full size bagged 4.3 liter on 20`s. All I have on my truck is a hypertech programmer, underdrive pulleys, cold air intake, throttle body spacer, 75 mm throttle body, upgraded MAF and a flowmaster exhaust and its a standard and he can not beat me. Not in the short or long run! My wife also has 04 Mustang GT and I can almost catch her! If I catch a punk sleeping in his stang I`ll bag & tag him and throw sparks on his windshield!!!

[EricCason92]

Well I'm not sure how I found this thread, but I read through it and found it hilarious

[GKDSoldier]

hell a few years back i had a 01 z-28 that would run 11.5 - 11.6 all day long with best time of 11.46 motor was almost stock but suspension an tranny were far far from stock on the dyno the car made 378 hp an if i remember right 386 torque not alot but it was a beast an stomped ANY mustang in tulas oklahoma

[Chevytodd]

Well I'm not sure how I found this thread, but I read through it and found it hilarious


:slap:
Thanks for diggin up a 5 year old thread to tell us that.

[98GreenMachine]

There seems to be alot of 5 year old thread bumps lately.

Odd.

[gmcss383]

economy is that bad... no jobs, too much time on their hands...

[GKDSoldier]

economy is that bad... no jobs, too much time on their hands... no just had some time off from work an get bored an go readin an diggin through old threads thats my excuse :)

[Cartman372]

So after almost 5 years, what do you guys think liljohn's excuse will be about the race that never happened(9sec supra vs. 10sec "stock" 5.0 stang)?

[fuel583]

not really my friends 5.0 is running 10s stock but hes like expert in mustangs, so yea u need cams definatly something to force air into the engine and something to let it out of course, dont worry mustangs are pretty slow unless u can handle and kno them and sense the guy is talking shyt he obviusly doesnt know what he can get himself into!


hahahaha

[Lobsters]

I thank you all for bumping this old thread. It amused the hell out of me for an hour or so.

[SUBURBIAN]

I'm not reading it, I'll take your word for it. I'll bet it was funny. Lots of "mods" and "nos" chatter? 17 year old feel-strong texters? Bwaaahahahahaahhhaahahahahaaaa!!!!

[Slow05CC]

As old as this is you almost want to pass on posting but it was funny so what the hell. Coming from a guy that built many mustang, owned a 10 second 83 gt ( 408 cid afr 225 custom comp cam wilsons manifold yati yati yati ) the 5.0 is just an old past time deal. The 94-95 mustang is a joke, the computer is dog **** and rejects mods like cams, head work, intakes with out custom tunes which run upward of 400. I race a 95 cobra with my crew cab not too long ago, maybe a year or so ago and i will say it got me, but not enough for him to go off and brag about. Less than a car to 100 mph. then i let off because I dont feel the need to go any faster. The 5.0 only has 215 hp and the cobra had like 235 or 240 stock. nothing to be proud about, even in the early 90s when the lt1 was rocking 285 advertised but under rated. the early 4.6 NPI best laugh ive had all day. 4.6 PI 260 hp al the way to 04 still slower than a 93 lt1. Once the ls_ came into the picture i think ford just gave up. The ls_ is a bad sum bitch. I love mustangs, but im glad i joined Gm camp. Now if i could just find myself a ls2 goat and give it about 8 pound of boost Ill be a happy camper.

Peace

[muddyk1500]

yeah old thred but cant help laughing about the near stock stangs running tens. i go to the track and race my camaro and have seen many many 5.0s run at the track. the ones that run 10s without power adders are almost never even stock blocks my neighbor has an all motor 88 notchback stang with a 13.1 compression 347 stroker in it with brodix heads and a monster cam barry grant carb with a hirise intake runs on race gas and he is in the low 11's spinning the motor to almost 8k. not even 10s and nothing on that motor is stock or even close

[EricCason92]

:slap:
Thanks for diggin up a 5 year old thread to tell us that.

Your welcome, just thought I would share. :)

[NH3500]

I always use this....

http://www.fullsizechevy.com/gallery3/data/500/medium/camaro1.jpg

works everytime

By 'power adder' do you mean a rocket strapped to it's a**:LOL::LOL: