New system...SQ PLEASE!

[bigdawgfoxx]

Ok so I have to make a smaller box in order to cut a hole in my midgate and mount it to that so my truck will stop leaking...I'm even thinking about getting a new vehicle just to have better sound.

I want to go with one amp and either a 10 or 12 W6 or W7..

IYO are the W6s and W7s the loudest subs that are still crystal clear or what? I was probably gona get a new W6 or a used W7. And would yall stick to 1 sub for SQ? I think im gona throw my components out the ****ing windows and put the stock pioneers back in there and deaden the doors...

Any opinions? I really want better sound quality

[FSCparrothead]

When i did my current set up i went and listend to both W7s and W6s, and IMO the W6s sounds cleaner at hight volume then the W7s so now i have 3 12inch W6s in my tahoe and even when its loud still sounds very clear. I wouldnt run stock speakers in the doors if your want SQ, just get better ones. What you running now in the doors?

[95_Sierra]

Putting the stock speakers back IN for SQ?

[bigdawgfoxx]

Well not stock, cheap pioneer coaxils. The JL VR600s just dont work for me...i will tune them today and see what I can do. Im just talking about substage SQ right now.

Damn 3 W6s, nice setup. You think 1 12in W6 would get pretty loud with about 1000W and still sound good?

[FSCparrothead]

1 W6 should fine. im running all 3 of mine off one JL Audio 1000/1 and it gets pretty damn loud.

[Exalted512]

Look at www.tcsounds.com

Id put those against any JL, anyday.
-Cody

[Mattman24]

hmmm those TC SOUNDS look pretty badass for $300 for a 12. Anyone else heard these before?

[///M5]

IYO are the W6s and W7s the loudest subs that are still crystal clear or what? I was probably gona get a new W6 or a used W7. And would yall stick to 1 sub for SQ?

Any opinions? I really want better sound quality
No they aren't the loudest.

I personally prefer 1 sub, but don't really think in an SQ setup that the sub is ever the culprit of not having enough output the front stage is.

Remember there is a direct trade off between SPL & SQ, they are exact opposites when it comes to enclosure building and the enclosure makes a much bigger difference than drivers (within reason).

As for the TC, there stuff is nice but it is pointless to discuss without knowing what enclosure or space you have to work with.

[bigdawgfoxx]

Back of a 2003 Tahoe.

[DSZ71]

Back of a 2003 Tahoe.

you are going to change vehicles just for the option of filling up the hatch area with subs? Why not save the hassle, and build your bed area with a blow-thru design. You can add a chit load of subs back there. Besides, you cant say you are using your truck bed to haul things when you are thinking of getting a Tahoe..since you still cant haul things unless you have a trailer.

I agree that you can have a great system if you limit your subs to a pair max. It all depends on what you want to achieve. If you want 4 subs, then most likely you really dont want SQ.

[Mattman24]

he wants 1 sub

[bigdawgfoxx]

And im changing vehicles for more than one reason...

And I dont want to fill up any area with subs....just one sub. I already took the midgate out and am using a 6ft^2 box.

[Atomic]

the W6 is 400w rms, so I dunno if I would put 1000w to it. I have 2 W6s now, but used to have just one and loved it, very composed speaker and sounded great

[DSZ71]

okay, i must have read the post incorrectly. I still ask however do you want to go with a sealed box or a vented (ported) box?

[Atomic]

For a SQ setup I would go with a sealed box.

[bigdawgfoxx]

Sealed boxes make no sense to me. I dont see how it produces sound. Theres no sucking or blowing of air...it just like moves air around inside of the box...seems really wierd to me.

I still want it to be loud, just good sound quality. I think ported will be the best.

Remember, all it has to beat is 2 12" L7s with about 1000 watts a piece in a 6ft^2 box...should be TOO hard lol

[FSCparrothead]

Mine are in a Sealed Box, and trust me it get very loud. It makes the Rear A/C controls and air vents in the roof fall out. If your that worried about SQ i would really run sealed.

and sorry but 1 W6s isnt going to be louder than the 2 L7s you speak of.

[juliendogg]

The system your putting together sounds like anything BUT SQ oriented. I think you've thrown everyone for a loop by asking for "SQ PLEASE" and then making comments like this:


I think im gona throw my components out the ****ing windows and put the stock pioneers back in there

and this:


Sealed boxes make no sense to me. I dont see how it produces sound. Theres no sucking or blowing of air...it just like moves air around inside of the box...seems really wierd to me.

I still want it to be loud, just good sound quality. I think ported will be the best.


It seems that you are not shooting for SQ as your end goal. If you want SQ, then you need to re-visit the installation of your components before going any further. Deaden the doors and give the correct power cleanly. After that is done and sounding sweet, look into one really good sub in a sealed enclosure that will supplement your front stage. Have you ever heard a nice sealed enclosure???

It seems to me at this point that all you want is louder from a smaller box. I apologize if I'm wrong, but it's hard for people to help you when you are so unclear about what you want.

J.

[Mattman24]

his front stage works just fine now, and i believe he was kidding about the l7 crap

[Exalted512]

we dont kid around here, take that **** to the offroad forum
-Cody

[Exalted512]

j/k :aniteef:

[///M5]

Are you kidding about the sealed box then too?

[Thechevyman122]

IMO (and I know the guy personally) he is looking for a setup, preferably one sub, that is high quality enough to be placed in a ported enclosure (for the potential of nice spl) yet still maintain the audio quality of a nice SQ setup. Bigdawg is a guy that is running two L7's, a set of jl components, and a LOT of power, and he did it all himself including the box, which is a work of art as a midgate replacement. He knows what he wants, he's just having a hard time explaining it.
And i understand why:
we dont kid around here, take that **** to the offroad forum

Absolutely ****en unnecessary, and I now understand why half the threads in the audio forum turn into arguments.

[Exalted512]

lolz
-Cody

[Thechevyman122]

Ahh hell that was a little harsh to a fellow, college stationer....Exalted, me and BigDawg will be there in about 2 months

[Exalted512]

especially if you take into consideration the "j/k" in the following post...
-Cody

[DSZ71]

Damn Texans....why dont you all kiss and make up? Dont forget the reach around.

[bigdawgfoxx]

Ok the post with the L7s meant to say "shouldnt be too hard to beat". And I meant SQ wise, not SPL! And I dont think I have ever heard a nice sealed setup....it just doesnt make sense to me!!! lol I have heared many ported setups that satisfy my SQ desires. Remember I'm not going for a competetion setup, just something that sounds quite a bit better than my current setup!

Any more opinions on the TC Sounds?

[///M5]

I now understand your wishes. You do not want an SQ setup at all, but an SPL setup that doesn't sound like crap. You might not be in love with the TC stuff as it may be too laid back for you. I'd look into something you can really throw some power at to let it wang but that will still hold together, perhaps an Fi Q?

[bigdawgfoxx]

It looks like the TC-3000 and the FI Q both take about 1000W of power. I really wish more people in town had something other than the "hyped up by stereo and video center" Treo...

But you would take either of those over the JL W6 for my install?

A guy I know also has an IDMAX 12, so I will listen to it and see how I like that too.

[DSZ71]

Hey Treo Engineering puts out top rated equipment, do you just not want to use that simply because everyone else does?

[Exalted512]

Just stay away from Adire.
-Cody

[bigdawgfoxx]

I just dont like how they sell the low end ones for like $300 and everyones like "yeah tim told me this was the best sub in our galaxy and me and him are cool so he hooked me up." ...bull****

[Mattman24]

focus eric dang getting everyone off track

[///M5]

It looks like the TC-3000 and the FI Q both take about 1000W of power. I really wish more people in town had something other than the "hyped up by stereo and video center" Treo...

But you would take either of those over the JL W6 for my install?

A guy I know also has an IDMAX 12, so I will listen to it and see how I like that too.
Yes. The JL W6 will not make you happy. It is an SQ sub and will not have the output you are asking for. IMO you'd be happier with a BTL than a W6 and a BTL is far from a daily sub, and def not an SQ design.

[bigdawgfoxx]

Ok you recommended like 3 subs...what do you think the best sub for like 50/50 SQ and SPL?

[///M5]

I really don't think you actually even care about SQ from your posts. There is no such thing as 50/50 they are extreme opposites. A peaky one note fart box does SPL a smooth no peak box is an SQ response, but there is one more very important part of an SQ installation and that is blending with your front stage.

Perhaps a more productive way to discuss this would be to understand what you don't like about your current setup. 2 12" L7's isn't exactly a trivial sub setup.

[DSZ71]

... but there is one more very important part of an SQ installation and that is blending with your front stage.


Excellent point made there. The sound quality of the ENTIRE SYSTEM comes from the front stage mids and highs. Its hard to imagine how you can get SQ from an omnidirectional frequency output. Yes you can have fast responsive bass or low "twangy" bass. But true SQ comes from the midbass and tweeters, which are more dependant upon imaging and staging.

[Mattman24]

wow very true, and i know what bigdawg will say "Ill have Bose so my front stage will be fine" and then everyone will start yellin bose is ****(which im starting to believe cause it distorts)

But anyway

Bigdawgfoxx If i could do it all over again i wouldnt get bose in my tahoe, its a pain in the ass im considering ripping it all out and peiceing together a nice set of highly recomended componets, so get a tahoe but dont get bose and get some nicer componets, just my .02

Matt

[Atomic]

Bose has its place. Its for the people that want something nicer than the normal speakers, but arent willing to rip apart their vehicles to install good stuff. I doubt any manufacturer would consider us "typical users".

[bigdawgfoxx]

Ok i'm talking about ****ing sub sound quality. I dont like the L7s because they dont hit very crisp at all. What do you mean its not a very trivial sub setup?

Anyway, I asked what some good sound quality subs were...like SQL I guess, and havnt got hardly any brand recommendations. But I got smartass answers for no reason...just answer the question. Every post in this forum ends up like this. 25% answers and then arguments.

[DSZ71]

TC Sounds TC1000, or the TC7, TC9, TC2000
Dayton Audio Reference
Sound Splinter RLp
Image Dynamics IDQ or IDMax
Fi Audio
Resonant Engineering MT, SX, or XXX series
Elemental Designs