5.7 vortec vs cummins

[Green meanie]

my truck/ '00 ccsb obs 3/4 ton 4x4 4.10 285/75/16, superchips,87 tune, tranny tuned, tb spacer,k/n, dual 3 inch dynomax muffs, vs. '01 ecsb cummins, 35's 6spd,edge programmer on level 3, k/n straight pipe 5 inch single, reworked turbo, who wins! I already know:rocking: but would like to here your guesstimates.

[Stucknthemud]

haha

[whitelightnin92]

if the diesel has a programmer your toast

[brutal]

but stock you can take him

[GreaseDog]

you already know who wins? so exactly how much thick black smoke did you have to drive through to get to the finish line?

[killergmctruck88]

the dodge will own u

[brutal]

yea tuned diesels are nothin to play with, although you can take stock ones

[Green meanie]

actually we stayed pretty even, he'd gain alittle at each gear and I'd gain between each gear change, he said he could turn it to level 5 which is 150 hp, 250 torque extra, he stays about 1 1/2 lenghts ahead, mine takes off very slow with 4l80e, does 50 in first gear. I know he'd get me on level 5 with ease.

[kemble]

Thats very hard to believe.

[killergmctruck88]

actually we stayed pretty even, he'd gain alittle at each gear and I'd gain between each gear change, he said he could turn it to level 5 which is 150 hp, 250 torque extra, he stays about 1 1/2 lenghts ahead, mine takes off very slow with 4l80e, does 50 in first gear. I know he'd get me on level 5 with ease.
LIES.. we all know u lost by alot!! that dodge owned u

[chrisk1500]

Perhaps the Dodge driver could use a lesson in shifting...

[brutal]

yea sorry i love chevys but a cummins can be brutal. torque and lots of it.

why did Cummins have to put there B-model engine in tha worst truck lol.

[killergmctruck88]

yea sorry i love chevys but a cummins can be brutal. torque and lots of it.

why did Cummins have to put there B-model engine in tha worst truck lol.
the dodge truck isnt a bad truck, id take a dodge over a OBS anyday, well 00-01 dodge with the cummins or a 360. theres 2 of them at this house and there great trucks.....

[brutal]

from what i can tell they just dont hold up like a cevy, how many older dodges you see around? i dont see many, but lots of OBS and even more NBS

[killergmctruck88]

from what i can tell they just dont hold up like a cevy, how many older dodges you see around? i dont see many, but lots of OBS and even more NBS
true, but gots s 85.97,01 and there great trucks, even tho there dodge i like them. the trans did take a crap in the 97 but other then that great truck. i Dont know why people talk crap about them. yeah there trans suck, but so does the GM 4l60e but that doesnt make gm a crap truck cause of that

[brutal]

not just tha drive train, everyone i know with a dodge has tha wierdest problems

[killergmctruck88]

not just tha drive train, everyone i know with a dodge has tha wierdest problems
and GM has some of weirdest problems.. still doesnt mean there a shiity truck

[oldred95]

actually we stayed pretty even, he'd gain alittle at each gear and I'd gain between each gear change, he said he could turn it to level 5 which is 150 hp, 250 torque extra, he stays about 1 1/2 lenghts ahead, mine takes off very slow with 4l80e, does 50 in first gear. I know he'd get me on level 5 with ease.
The 6 speed severly limited what he was able to do. An auto is really the best with a diesel because the torque converter keeps the rpms higher through the shift keeping the turbo spooled and instantly pours on the boost after the shift.

Thats funny that you say your 4L80E makes yours take off slow when I didn't notice one bit of difference when I went to a 4L60E to a 4L80E, in fact it almost feels like it wants to launch harder. Those 350 vortecs and 4L80E's always were a turd taking off though, about like the 6 liters.

[Green meanie]

Im not sayin cummins is a bad truck besides their crappy frontends trac bar, draglink, always goin bad, chevy's always the idler,pitman arms, it's just lack of maintnence and the way people drive, and yes with out my programmer he would kill me, it's a dog without it, shift pressures and points really help.

[brutal]

dodge---truck

cummins---engine

dodge doesnt make tha cummins, just uses it

[Green meanie]

4l60's and 700r4's have lower first gear than 80's of course you already know that, those trannies are meant for big blocks anyway, 5.7 makes up for it in the mid range power.

[oldred95]

The dodge solid front axle isn't perfect due to the unit bearing hubs and a few things like that but its a hell of a lot better then IFS. I've never actually seen a dodge hub bearing be replaced because it was bad but rather it was ruined getting it out to replace a u joint or axle seal, whatever. I love the coil spring setup, they ride great, handling feels a lot different but isn't bad either. The 5.9 cummins was good up until around 2005 or so and then it really got choked down. Really after the 12 valve it all went downhill though.


The 4L60E has a 3.04:1 first gear ratio and the 4L80E has a 2.48:1 ratio. Like I said no noticable difference in take off power with mine and being able to do 50+ in 1st gets you moving fast, almost being able to hold 2nd to 85-90 helps too. I have a shift kit in mine and each shift throws the truck forward unlike stock when the shifts slow you down.

[the_husk]

Good race. There was a cummins in town a bout a year ago with the pipeline company. His other car was a 408 stroker T/A. His cummins had a 6" lift and 35" tires along with exhaust, CAI, and banks programmer. I beat him.

Edit: saw your mods.

Now, there is another one in town that has some stuff done, including bigger turbo, but I lost to him.

[Green meanie]

I have mine set at 50mph 1st gear, 85 2nd, 3rd who knows, have taken it to 120, but gets shakin at that speed, when 6.0 engines came out with 4l80e they dyno'd it with the trans hitting 4th at 140mph with 4.10 gear, so they are pretty tall geared. OH yea I love how that feels when 2nd and 3rd hits, sucks you back pretty hard

[the_husk]

The dodge solid front axle isn't perfect due to the unit bearing hubs and a few things like that but its a hell of a lot better then IFS. I've never actually seen a dodge hub bearing be replaced because it was bad but rather it was ruined getting it out to replace a u joint or axle seal, whatever. I love the coil spring setup, they ride great, handling feels a lot different but isn't bad either. The 5.9 cummins was good up until around 2005 or so and then it really got choked down. Really after the 12 valve it all went downhill though.


The 4L60E has a 3.04:1 first gear ratio and the 4L80E has a 2.48:1 ratio. Like I said no noticable difference in take off power with mine and being able to do 50+ in 1st gets you moving fast, almost being able to hold 2nd to 85-90 helps too. I have a shift kit in mine and each shift throws the truck forward unlike stock when the shifts slow you down.

I like the lower 60E gearing, puts you back in your seat more, but I can pull 50 mph in first with my 60E.

[AmericanZ71]

my truck/ '00 ccsb obs 3/4 ton 4x4 4.10 285/75/16, superchips,87 tune, tranny tuned, tb spacer,k/n, dual 3 inch dynomax muffs, vs. '01 ecsb cummins, 35's 6spd,edge programmer on level 3, k/n straight pipe 5 inch single, reworked turbo, who wins! I already know:rocking: but would like to here your guesstimates.


Lets see..

You have a 2000 CCSB. 5.3, not a 5.7. TB spacer.. does sh*t. K&N.. does sh*t. dynomax muffs... does sh*t..

he has a cummins. Win.

[the_husk]

Lets see..

You have a 2000 CCSB. 5.3, not a 5.7. TB spacer.. does sh*t. K&N.. does sh*t. dynomax muffs... does sh*t..

he has a cummins. Win.

Wrong, you could get the classic option and that gave you the 5.7.

[oldred95]

I like the lower 60E gearing, puts you back in your seat more, but I can pull 50 mph in first with my 60E.
Sure. Its alright but the huge gear split makes the shift to 2nd kind of lame compared to the 4L80E. Depends on your gearing. I only rev mine to 4500 or so at the WOT shifts. No need to turn this old engine any higher then that.

[kemble]

Front end problems in dodges is easy to take care of. Just have to buy good parts instead of Parts store junk. Thurenfab,DSS, solidsteel, all those brands will make the truck much more reliable and fun to drive.

[Green meanie]

:rocking: to the_husk, I like you posts, alot of people are full of it, they got to experience before they talk, because you never know who will win until you try.

[bigwhite93]

yea sorry i love chevys but a cummins can be brutal. torque and lots of it.

why did Cummins have to put there B-model engine in tha worst truck lol.

Cummins actually tried to get with Chevy when the OBS's came out. I've seen the concept truck on ebay a time or two, it's a white 88 RCLB 3500 6BTA (same as the 6BT but has an aftercooler on the intake) The only thing bad about the truck is that it's 2wd and a 4spd instead of a 4500 5spd. Now if Chevy would have took that contract, put in a NV4500/NP205 or 4L80E/NP205 combo and SFA that'd be one helluva truck!

[the_husk]

Sure. Its alright but the huge gear split makes the shift to 2nd kind of lame compared to the 4L80E. Depends on your gearing. I only rev mine to 4500 or so at the WOT shifts. No need to turn this old engine any higher then that.

I'll have to agree with you on that, the 1-2 and 2-3 shifts on teh 60E seem to deep down a lil farther than the 80E from what I've seen the 80E's do.

[killergmctruck88]

Wrong, you could get the classic option and that gave you the 5.7.
i have to say i bet your truck is slow as balls, same year chevy 2500 with the 6.0L can do 0-60 in 10sec, i dont see yours going much faster then that with the "mods" u have...

[kemble]

i have to say i bet your truck is slow as balls, same year chevy 2500 with the 6.0L can do 0-60 in 10sec, i dont see yours going much faster then that with the "mods" u have...

Cant picture this hotrod either.

[Green meanie]

from dead stop just about any thing could take me, about 30mph before she wakes up, then it runs, Ive driven 6.0's before and some run hard some don't, just like any engine, hardest running 5.7 vtec ive drove had 240,000 miles on it and it was bone stock 1/2 ton

[killergmctruck88]

a STOCK 01 ram with the Cummins has 245hp and 505tq and with a programmer it would be a pretty fast truck..

[kemble]

CUMMINS, there is no G.

[killergmctruck88]

CUMMINS, there is no G.
thank you Mr.spell check, would u like a cookie now for finding my typo?

[the_husk]

i have to say i bet your truck is slow as balls, same year chevy 2500 with the 6.0L can do 0-60 in 10sec, i dont see yours going much faster then that with the "mods" u have...

10 seconds, eh? Wow, thats just sooo fast.

My buddies 07 honda civic ex runs 8.3seconds to 60 and my truck is 3-4 lengths ahead of him by then.

[kemble]

Oh no I'm not a spellchecker by any means of the imagination. Just trying to help some people understand there is no G!

[killergmctruck88]

10 seconds, eh? Wow, thats just sooo fast.

My buddies 07 honda civic ex runs 8.3seconds to 60 and my truck is 3-4 lengths ahead of him by then.
yeah from the specs online the same year chevy 2500 with the nice 6.0L only does 0-60 in 10sec, now with your so called "mods" i bet your around the same time range... so yeah your truck is slow...

[the_husk]

Lol at you. I'm running 0-60's probably in the mid-high 7's. So, let your 6.0 chew on that.

[kemble]

You put 3-4 lengths on a mid 8 second 0-60 car to 60 mph? Please let us know more about this truck you have.



10 seconds, eh? Wow, thats just sooo fast.

My buddies 07 honda civic ex runs 8.3seconds to 60 and my truck is 3-4 lengths ahead of him by then.

[killergmctruck88]

Lol at you. I'm running 0-60's probably in the mid-high 7's. So, let your 6.0 chew on that.
i had a 6.0L? i dont think so, hell if my truck ran mid 7sec to 0-60 i be pissed for having a slow truck....

[the_husk]

I was just saying.. I am nowhere near a 10 second 0-60. I could stay here and argue all day, but I have better things to do.

[brutal]

ma Z71 does 0-60 in about 7 sec...no BS