Is a 94 6.5 electronic? some other ?'s

[crossy's son]

Is it? we found a 94 buckettruck 3500 real cheap. but it had an under hood fire DOWN LOW.

It has the ''Vin F'' engine, 8th digit.

Just wanted to know if its the electronic IP or the mechanical.

ALSO WHATS THE "VIN F" MEAN ? is this better then the s or z or whatever it was.

[RCpullerdude]

Yes, it is electronic. Being the "F" it likely has the oddball 5068 pump on it, which was only used for 94 F engines. All the F means is it has no EGR, different pre-cups, and, in some cases, no soot trap/cat converter, along with a slightly more powerful computer program.

[crossy's son]

Thank you

This thing is a friggin 3500HD topkick with the goofy slots under the grille, it has the 19.5 wheels on it

Best part is it has a jasper corporation tag in the door jam so it either has a jasper motor jasper tranny. This is a 94 3500HD so it would have the 80E tranny right?/

also what rear would it have? d70 ?

[chrisk1500]

Don't get too excited about a Jasper rebuilt 6.5....

If auto, it will have the 80E....my 1500 has the 80E....

[red suburban]

4L80E auto, 14 bolt full floater rear axle.

[crossy's son]

Thanks for all the info guys,

Wow, a jasper rebuilt "F" 6.5 is like 4800$. :eek: and we could get the truck for $700 and fix the motor and then use it to trim our trees.

[KargoMaster]

4L80E auto, 14 bolt full floater rear axle.

Forgive me, I just want to correct some mis-information...

4L80e, yes...
14 bolt... NO.

3500HD has a 10 lug Dana80 (Not the Dodge 80 center with 70 axles... the ALL Dana80 37 spline version with 2.0" axles and bull gear axle flange... it's a BEAST, trust me, I regeared mine) It's rated for 11,000 lbs.

It would be hard to test without it running, but the kingpins in the (non-driven) solid front I-beam axle are prone to get really sloppy... that's about a $500 drop in a few minutes... :eek:


Also: your looking at close to $2K in new tires... so just make sure they aren't wasted...
They only come in Load Range "F" and "G" for the 19.5's and there's different tires for steer and drive positions (It's not messin' around.:D)

[someotherguy]

He's not kidding about the tires. The Goodyear RSS-647's on my '98 right now sell for around $300+ each.

You can get some really crappy chinese-made 19.5's for a little over $100 each but they're not worth a damn dime. I had a company wrecker that my boss cheaped out and bought those, they vibrated like crazy, wore funny, and wore quickly.

The General LMT400's or whatever that model # is that came OEM on a lot of 19.5 equipped trucks wear quickly, too.

FWIW the comment about the catalytic converter, my '94 3500HD with the 6.5 vin F came with a cat. I just knocked it off the truck last night while removing the exhaust. :D

Richard

[Mike Lang]

KargoMaster is right on all accounts of the 3500HD. I put a set of Hercules highway tires on mine, $2500. Do replace the kingpin bushings quickly. The 3500HD is pretty much indestructable.

[KargoMaster]

I just realized why I was thinking "close to $2k" because I had good steer tires... I was ONLY pricing the drive position rears... :eek:

I ended up with (I'm "thrifty") retreads. Commercial Goodyear re-treader relatively close to work...
(although with only the flatbed weight over them, they wouldn't give me the deepest tread. :dunno: They told me they would wonder too much without more weight over them... I couldn't argue.)
General shells and Goodyear treads... Three of the rears were ORIGINAL (yep, 13 years old :eek:) when I bought her last year...


Last thing about the 4L80e... 3500HD doesn't have the 2wd version of the trans... it doesn't have the 4wd version of the trans... it has the RV version of the transmission... it has a longer (and splined fully along it's length) 32 spline output shaft (that the yoke bolts to) with a different output housing (that would make sense) but also has an integrated drum emergency brake at the driveshaft yoke...

I've heard folks give several reasons for this... most of them pretty far fetched... "Parking pawl in trans would fail because the thing weighs sooooo much..." Nawww, I would be willing to bet that the only reason for that driveline e-brake is because the rear Dana80 has disc brakes (and they are MONSTROUS...) so that was the next best alternative.

[someotherguy]

The reason for the driveline brake is because the rear end has monster disc brakes, with no parking brake provision. :D

That set of 245/70/19.5 Goodyear RSS-647's on my '98 - I scored them almost new for a grand. How fast do you think I jumped on them? :D They're going on the '94 HD once it's up and running.

Richard

[KargoMaster]

Go back and read my last paragraph Richard... you crack me up.

Heck, maybe it's the way that I write... sorry man. :looking:

[crossy's son]

Thanks for all the info guys! The tires hold air and thats all that matters, Its sitting at a friend's friend's (not typo) repair shop and he wants it gone, it has 130K on the truck.

jasper motor at 90k
tires are 50% (doesnt matter to us) and all hold air

some exhaust donut for the downpipe or something blew out in the engine bay and heated up the engine so much the turbo seized. he said the engine cranks but it won't start. This guy is a MECHANIC and he don't know much. The engine is covered in black soot, it wipes off. The turbo is bad he knows for sure becuase the compressor won't spin by hand and he THINKS it may need headgaskets becuase it got SO hot, but the MECHANIC doesn't know, he says there is no antifreeze running down the block or anything.

Basicly it needs to idle and run the hyd. pump so the bucket can work. thats all we need it for. It doesnt need to run good, just has to run. Move it like 20 feet around my yard to trim these trees . Even if it overheats or whatever after 30 minutes its fine, trim a tree then shut it off and keep doing that all day.

I appreciate all the help, sounds like a well built truck besides the Peice Of Junk 6.5 my dad has always laughed at when he sees one.

Wish it was a 454 but a working bucketruck that need slight work for -$1000 is a good deal. :D

I think we're picking it up this weekend.

[someotherguy]

Check the information on your local emissions laws. It may be exempt from emissions testing, if that's the case, throw a 454 in there and be done with it. An overheating 6.5 isn't going to last long at all; I wouldn't spend money on the engine unless you intend to fix it all the way which can get very expensive.

Brad - yeah we both pretty much said the same thing; I won't cop to ignoring what you wrote, I'll just say I overlooked it or something. :D

Richard

[crossy's son]

Ok thanks, we'll probably put another turbo on it and see from there what it's like. Never know with 40k on the jasper engine it may still have warranty. Who knows.

How hard would it be to install a 454 TBI in its place?

[S/C Z71]

Walk away.

[red suburban]

to install a 454 in its place is pretty easy, it'l bolt up to the tranny and engine mounts, drain the tank of diesel, use the lift pump from the 6.5 as the fuel pump, and wire up the tbi.

[crossy's son]

Walk away.

why? a friggin hydralic 35ft boom buckettruck with outriggers on it for $1000 ? and your saying walk away? its a peice of equipment, not just a truck.

[someotherguy]

Years ago, my dad picked up a C3500 cab & chassis (non-HD) with a bucket on it, sold the bucket bed for a couple grand, then we had a free truck (+profit) to install a Dynamic self-loader wrecker bed onto. :D

$1000 is a great price; it's worth far more than that in parts, but use the engine issues as a negotiating point. I bet you can get it for $500-$750.

Richard

[S/C Z71]

why? a friggin hydralic 35ft boom buckettruck with outriggers on it for $1000 ? and your saying walk away? its a peice of equipment, not just a truck.
It's a piece of junk is what it is. :lol:

[GM Guy 1]

It's a piece of junk is what it is. :lol:

Hey now! :) Dont be hatin on the big HD! :cool: Or its bucket. many have no use for buckets, but they are still worth a bit to those who do.

I think that is a great buy. good luck on the beast crossy'son!

[GM Guy 1]

Also if we want to get super technical, :biggrin: crossy'son referenced the HD as a topkick, which it is not. (also, the lower grille slots are an aquired taste, as well as a privilege.:biggrin:)

[crossy's son]

It has these giant weird goofy exterior door handles on it?

Me and my dad are going to get it tomorrow.

It needs a turbo, thats it, the guy says it runs and drives as of now and can be put on a trailer but it overheats quick.

[RCpullerdude]

It has these giant weird goofy exterior door handles on it?

Me and my dad are going to get it tomorrow.

It needs a turbo, thats it, the guy says it runs and drives as of now and can be put on a trailer but it overheats quick.

If it overheats quick, you may want to find out how far it's been overheated. Overheating very much for any length of time will crack and break expensive and important stuff. After you get a turbo on it, pull the radiator and stuff from the front, and clean all the coolers and stuff very well. If it still overheats, look into a 180* AC Delco or Robert Shaw T-stat, and a newer water pump, along with a newer fan and fan clutch. Try to keep it at or below 210*F.

[KargoMaster]

It has these giant weird goofy exterior door handles on it?

Me and my dad are going to get it tomorrow.

...


You mean these?

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b234/KargoMaster/1995_3500HD_12.jpg

hahaha... from an old thread... they're pricey from the dealer (only good place for non-FUBARed ones) so I hope yours are usable.

http://www.fullsizechevy.com/forums/classifieds/wanted/364169-wtb-ext-door-handles-obs-3500hd-kodiak-topkick.html


Good job getting the beast...

[crossy's son]

yep those ones.

[someotherguy]

Hmmmmmmmm, seems I have a '93 out here that should have a good turbo on it. :D

Too bad it has "regular" door handles. :(

Richard

[crossy's son]

I don't think theres anything wrong with the door handles, my dad said he got in it find when he looked at it. going to get it this evening.

[ksukats57]

:nopics: sounds like a beast of a truck

[crossy's son]

getting it thursday night, its been non stop raining for days here. my dad doesnt like towing stuff in the rain.

[crossy's son]

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Well, I know it's just another white 3500HD but you gotta love it.......

Our buddy towed it for us, Me,My dad, And charlie shoved in a regular cab ford with a 5 speed.

By the way, you gotta love the 7.3 IDI's it got us all the way home up and down the PA mountains 2 hourse away, slow but steady. 89 F-super 7.3 n/a 5 speed ZF, 4.56 rear

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk170/cumminsredneck19/Dinks73towinga65001.jpg

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk170/cumminsredneck19/Dinks73towinga65002.jpg

[someotherguy]

No such thing as "just another 3500HD" regardless of color. :D GM really, REALLY dropped the ball when they quit making these. Their so-called HD now is just a glorified one ton. They don't have the same GVWR and durability that the real HD's had.

In the cab & chassis market, GM has no competition, PERIOD, for the Ford F450SD and F550SD, and now the Dodge 4500. They're normal sized cabs on heavy frame/suspension setups, made to be work trucks like wreckers, utility trucks, etc. while if you want a GM product like that you have to get a medium duty truck which is often too big.

Good luck with the new truck, keep us posted on that rotten 6.5. :aniteef:

Richard

[chrisk1500]

keep us posted on that rotten 6.5. :aniteef:




LOL!

That 'rotten' 6.5 will turn some heads with the right parts....as much as a cherry picker truck can turn heads I suppose....

[crossy's son]

the 6.5 has bad seals in the turbo and it leaks oil into the exhaust and omg. you oughta see the burning oil smoke it makes after the exhaust heats up!! its enough to bring the fire department.

the MUFFLER leaks oil, thats how bad it is. the engine oil was'nt even on the dipstick when we checked it.we put 2.5 quarts in it and now its fine.

a good GM4 turbo with turbomaster on the way as a replacement. the bucket/pto and everything else runs great. The engine and trans are jasper with 40k on them. (what the previous owner said.)

It has duel fuel tanks and stuff.

gotta figure out why the high idle switch does'nt work, it needs it.

[chrisk1500]

High idle is easy to fix....

Check out Kennedy Diesel's site for instructions...pay attention to the 'year' changes though...

[GM Guy 1]

excellent buy, great looking truck!

[jones20992]

we had a 92 3500HD that we towed a 48 foot flatbed for 400k after that the truck was beat but made a lot of money

[16inchwheels]

You mean these?

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b234/KargoMaster/1995_3500HD_12.jpg

hahaha... from an old thread... they're pricey from the dealer (only good place for non-FUBARed ones) so I hope yours are usable.

http://www.fullsizechevy.com/forums/classifieds/wanted/364169-wtb-ext-door-handles-obs-3500hd-kodiak-topkick.html


Good job getting the beast...


will those handles fit the doors on the 94 3/4 ton? how would you mod it?

[someotherguy]

They're bolt in replacements but you need the rods too. Unless you find the handles used, get out your wallet, they are expensive as hell.

Richard

[KargoMaster]

what he said... :D

[crossy's son]

Thought I'd let you guys know,

truck is running/working perfect now. did'nt need too much work.

Trimed like 40 trees with it not including all the ones for our family members.

the boom is only 29ft but it works perfect and the truck does'nt even threaten to tip even when the boom is extended over the side :D.

[KargoMaster]

knowing that suspension the way that I do, that is not a surprise... glad to hear it's working out for you.

[someotherguy]

Great to hear it!


the boom is only 29ft but it works perfect and the truck does'nt even threaten to tip even when the boom is extended over the side :D.

After having to shove my HD project around the shop, and move the HD parts truck around the yard with the wrecker, I'm convinced that just the sheer weight of HD's on this planet are holding the ground down, and without them, we'd be screwed. :D

Richard

[GM Guy 1]

Great to hear it!



After having to shove my HD project around the shop, and move the HD parts truck around the yard with the wrecker, I'm convinced that just the sheer weight of HD's on this planet are holding the ground down, and without them, we'd be screwed. :D

Richard

Id be screwed trying to convice dad to upgrade the fleet if it wasn't for the HDs!

[Mark13]

Hey now! :) Dont be hatin on the big HD! :cool: Or its bucket. many have no use for buckets, but they are still worth a bit to those who do.

I think that is a great buy. good luck on the beast crossy'son!

My dad and I would love to have a bucket truck. It would get used quite a bit between working on rental homes or trimming trees. Or an ariel camera position for atv riding.

Edit, I didn't look at posting dates. Whoops.

[crossy's son]

Its for sale.

$4500. Want it?

It has some decent low end power but has no passing capability with a 4.63 gear ratio. And i figured out the trans was replaced in 03 by jasper.

All we did was put a new turbo on it and new glow plugs and a few sensors and its up to parr now. Trying to get the interior decent now, not sure why we are but the interior is where the next driver of this beast will spend alot of time. The truck has an hydraulic PTO too which is nice over the crappy electric ones.

This explains the oil in the exhaust deal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhWqgi4P3ms


After the new turbo and glow plugs, and turbomaster.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_v3QrI9ngN0

[Mark13]

Its for sale.

$4500. Want it?

No, not really. lol.

We wouldn't use one enough to justify $4500 and a trip to get it. But if we found it like you did and local then we would jump.

[crossy's son]

It was a 2.5 hour drive in a 88 Ford F-super with a 7.3/5speed.. it handled it well until we hit the PA hills. EMPTY.

The ride home with a 10,000# truck and and 3000# trailer was fun.

My dad would of used his 450HP cummins truck but we don't have a sufficient trailer fto hold 10k truck, and the HD trailer our buddy has, had a pintle hitch so we could'nt use it behind my dad's ram..

So we used his truck/trailer he uses for his const. company.

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk170/cumminsredneck19/Dinks73towinga65001.jpg

[someotherguy]

Looks like the F350 handled it just fine, but I'm guessing with a dump bed it's got plenty of extra springs! Shame you had to tow a Chevy with that F-word...usually it's the other way around. :D

Richard

[crossy's son]

Its actually a a "F-superduty".. which is a F350 on roids. it has a straight front axle and a two stage leaf spring setup in the rear with liike 16 leaves all together. :lol: HD ftw. Ford FTL

[Hatfieco]

With a dump box that size and springs setup to hold that much gravel, that ford had no clue there was even any tongue weight haha. Those old 7.3s do pretty good though. My old work truck had one in it and it might not have been the fastest thing but it held its own with a trailer haha. Not to point out the obvious but they sell hitches with a pintle on em thatll slide right into your receiver lol so you coulda ran the dodge?

[crossy's son]

coulda, the yellow trailer of our buddies has NO BRAKES!

My dads ram 2500 does not have no friggin super duty brakes so running up and down the mountains with a 2500 series truck towing 13k with no trailer brakes... no way.

[92_half ton_W/T]

That's a nice looking truck right there...

That would be an awesome truck to own, but I have absolutely NO need for it...

So you put that work into it, and now you're selling it?

[crossy's son]

I guess you missed the part where i said we trimmed 50+ trees with it? :lol: now all the trees are where my dad wants them we don't need it, its wasting space and someone could be using a good little portable truck like this. $4500 sounds high but for around here thats nothing.

It really wasn't that much work. just a turbo and an exhuast system....and some sensors... and an e brake cable

[Hatfieco]

No brakes on 13k even with that ford was probably a bit scary as it was haha. Never any fun when the trailer weighs more than whats pulling it, especially minus trailer brakes!

[KargoMaster]

No brakes on 13k even with that ford was probably a bit scary as it was haha. Never any fun when the trailer weighs more than whats pulling it, especially minus trailer brakes!

Completely agree, to an extent I wish not to divulge.

[Hatfieco]

I had a takeuchi 145 on a tilt deck behind a 1 ton and lost the trailer brakes, the bad part is I found out on an offramp. I kind felt like the ball at the end of a hammer throw haha it was ugly.

[Mark13]

No brakes on 13k even with that ford was probably a bit scary as it was haha. Never any fun when the trailer weighs more than whats pulling it, especially minus trailer brakes!

I'll agree to that. 10,000lb trailers behind my 6,000lb truck with no brakes sure are fun. Luckily I only have to pull it about 3 miles 2 or 3 times a year. I've got a trailer brake controller, it's the trailer that's messed up apparently.

[crossy's son]

it was a dually superduty too. and it was still having trouble.

then again its a 5 speed and he was kinda using that to brake it a little down hills. we could not go over 55 on the highway on the way home in 4th gear (wish it had a turbo, lol). Cars were flying by us at 65.

Highway to hell was playing on the ****ty radio and we were all scared as ****. IS THE FORD GONNA MAKE IT??

[Hatfieco]

Lol the only thing that made it a decent tow was the heavy dump box on the back. The brakes on that ford are still not any bigger than a regular one ton, hence the 16.5in wheels. Still disk up front, drum in the rear. Scary.

[Shopkins]

good looking HD (the Chevy I mean). I would've done the same thing whether you were going to use it for a year or a week lol.

-Shaun