Fastest tbi trucks

[gnomepunter]

just wanted everyone to post time on what they run with a tbi engine.

[whitelightnin92]

16.024 @84mph.

[silverado_lover]

13.64 @ 130 MPH

:looking:

[1ugly88]

i don't have the slip anymore but mine ran a 19.8 and bogged like a bitch coming out of the hole. does this qualify me for the slowest obs??? lol!! seriously, i only did it for laughs but proved to everyone else it's really the turd i claimed it to be

[custm2500]

I would say the only respectable tbi truck times are going to come from one with a motor swap.

[gmc406]

12.9@105

[whitelightnin92]

my 16.024 is very respectable for 5500 lbs of steel and a stock bottom end.

[crossy's son]

15.67 on my 91. I've said this like 4 times in the last week.

400k miles on Engine and trans and clutch. All orig.

Runs like a raped a.....................sloth



My DAd's 87 OOBS Shortbed 2wd with a 305tbi, 700r4 and 2.73 gears ran a 17.3 @75

[xch3no2]

I think va454ss has one of the faster TBI trucks...

Mine weighs 5500lb & speed really isn't the goal, 500hp is looking more & more attainable, we'll see..

The Rat is a thirsty sob @ 5K... it's time for a pro Aeromotive pump and fancy injectors...expensive suckers...by january I'll know more.

[Fast305]

14.26 @ 98 with a 2.18s 60'.....1983 G20 Van, Stock bottem end 350 TBI crate engine w/18cc dished pistons, Ported L31 Vortecs with 2.05/1.6" valves, Edelbrock 2912 single plane fed by a Mercruiser Marine TBI, Custom Reed Grind Hydraulic Roller, Doug Thorley Tri-Ys, Dual 2 1/2" exhaust, 7427 PCM with lots of PCM tuning. Stock rebuild on a 1995 S10 Blazer 4L60E using a Transgo HD2 shift kit.

[gnomepunter]

well currently i havent put it in the truck but this is my new built tbi engine parts list 10.5.1 compression pistons.amshaft=Lift @ Valve .420'' Intake/.442'' Exhaust
Lift @ Cam .280'' Intake/.295'' Exhaust
1.6 full roller rockers.an edelbrock performer rpm intake with the adapter plate.ported and polished tbi heads(i have actually had decent luck with ported and polished tbi heads). a cfm tech tbi unit.cold air intake electric fans.4.10 gears.an EBL ecm unit.headers with the electric cutout flap past the pipes so i can open it at full exhaust or close for silence.im hoping for a decently fast truck afterwards

[crossy's son]

I am pretty sure you win the award for the biggest amount of time waisted on upgrads with absolutly nothing to show for it.

A van running low 14's with 3.08 gears? I don't think he's doing too bad.

[Zero260]

I would say the only respectable tbi truck times are going to come from one with a motor swap.

Hmm, are you sure? Faster than your lq4 on nitrous, right?


12.9@105

Pretty respectable for TBI.

[custm2500]

A van running low 14's with 3.08 gears? I don't think he's doing too bad.

To each his own. If I had a mod list 2 full lines long and still can't beat anything in a race, i would consider my self a compleat failure.

[custm2500]

Hmm, are you sure? Faster than your lq4 on nitrous, right?



Pretty respectable for TBI.

Yes 12.9 is rather respectable. But of 5+ peole it is the only reasonable time. Any thing can be made fast but not many guys build tbi trucks for a the strip. Therfore my statement holds true most of the time. I guess I should have said. Most tbi trucks that are fast are probably going to have a motor swap. Seing as it is possible to make a decent time with the tbi motor still in place.

[CKTA]

To each his own. If I had a mod list 2 full lines long and still can't beat anything in a race, i would consider my self a compleat failure.

Then consider your sidepipes a complete failure and move on! :read: Bashing will get you nowhere...fast. :read:

[Zero260]

Yes 12.9 is rather respectable. But of 5+ peole it is the only reasonable time. Any thing can be made fast but not many guys build tbi trucks for a the strip. Therfore my statement holds true most of the time. I guess I should have said. Most tbi trucks that are fast are probably going to have a motor swap. Seing as it is possible to make a decent time with the tbi motor still in place.

Are you serious? I have followed some of your threads and seen your posts here, and other forums. You don't have a fast truck. In fact, I don't think it even runs right now. A guy running 30 yo technology can blow your doors off compared to your best time. And those times are in Canada. Im sure he's faster at a lower elevation. And aren't you trying to get better gas mileage out of a 454 3/4ton 4x4 suburban? How do you have time to trash people in threads that you have no real clue about?

And your statement about anything can be made fast is a cop out. If you have the tuning capability, 13s arent hard to get with a tbi engine in say a rcsb. It doesn't take a fortune to do it either. I know you have a heavier frame. But don't you technically have a rcsb? Hmm...

[gnomepunter]

lol this thread turned funny but on another note looking at my new engine build what do you all think just guessing my 1/4 time might be and if any of you have any good mods i have overlooked plz post them im out to maybe hit 13's or if im reaaaal lucky 12's lol

[custm2500]

Are you serious? I have followed some of your threads and seen your posts here, and other forums. You don't have a fast truck. In fact, I don't think it even runs right now. A guy running 30 yo technology can blow your doors off compared to your best time. And those times are in Canada. I'm sure he's faster at a lower elevation. And aren't you trying to get better gas mileage out of a 454 3/4ton 4x4 suburban? How do you have time to trash people in threads that you have no real clue about?

And your statement about anything can be made fast is a cop out. If you have the tuning capability, 13s aren't hard to get with a tbi engine in say a rcsb. It doesn't take a fortune to do it either. I know you have a heavier frame. But don't you technically have a rcsb? Hmm...

My truck is very quick for having almost nothing done do it as far as power modifications. Tune, exhaust, 2800 stall and it has a slip of 14.2. Throw on the bottle and 13.4 is it's best slip. Right now with the weight reduction and the short bed it should run 13.8ish and should be in the 12s on the 100 shot. I don't claim to have the fastest truck in the world. It is very respectable and with time will only get faster as is has from day one.

I am not coping out by saying anything can be made fast. Honda civics run 16-18 seconds factory and guys have them running 10-11 all day. Especially with the big boost in forced induction set ups. Guys in 4.8s and 5.3s running times that many F-body owners can't make.

What does trying to gain as much efficiency out of a my daily driver have to do with this? Obviously I have a good idea about what works and what doesn't seeing as i am making progress. Just because it is big and old doesn't mean it can't be improved upon. Making off topic low ball comments only hurt your credibility so take that into consideration when you are trying to put someone down next time.

[98silvyman]

low ball comments only hurts your credibility so take that into consideration when you are trying to put someone down next time.

:lol:

[Zero260]

My truck is very quick for having almost nothing done do it as far as power modifications. Tune, exhaust, 2800 stall and it has a slip of 14.2. Throw on the bottle and 13.4 is it's best slip. Right now with the weight reduction and the short bed it should run 13.8ish and should be in the 12s on the 100 shot. I don't claim to have the fastest truck in the world. It is very respectable and with time will only get faster as is has from day one.

Says you. My stock DD runs a low 14. I wouldn't go chest thumping about how fast it is. You should be in the 12s. Right, should be and in are two worlds apart bud. Bench racing 101. Fact is, your best is low 13s. That hasn't been a fast time since the 90s.

I am not coping out by saying anything can be made fast. Honda civics run 16-18 seconds factory and guys have them running 10-11 all day. Especially with the big boost in forced induction set ups. Guys in 4.8s and 5.3s running times that many F-body owners can't make.

I've seen some 10 sec civics. You act like they are a dime a dozen. They can be made fast, yes. But they don't hit 10s easy. That is where your cop out is. You say anything can be made fast, as if you'd know how to do it.4.8/5.3 powered trucks making power fbodies can't make? Are you talking V6 fbodies? Lmao.

What does trying to gain as much efficiency out of a my daily driver have to do with this? Obviously I have a good idea about what works and what doesn't seeing as i am making progress. Just because it is big and old doesn't mean it can't be improved upon. Making off topic low ball comments only hurt your credibility so take that into consideration when you are trying to put someone down next time.

Nothing really. Just as you are talking down to some guys about making a tbi engine run good. Im talking down to you about getting good mileage out of a barge of a DD you have. So retarded. Plus you act like you're some pioneer in tbi mods. Equally retarded.



Im sorry, but your threads/posts have had zero credibility with me. Your comments here above have pretty much reassured that. Its so obvious you are talking out of your ass. And I think your arrogance is bullsh*t also.

[custm2500]

I didn't say I have a 12 sec truck. I said I have a 13.4 truck and next race season I will see if I can get the 12 sec slip.

Making anything fast isn't hard. Especially in something common such as a Honda civic or my 6.0. Making hp is generally about money. Head work, cam(s), performance intake, tune if computer controlled, nitrous. Or if you have the money up front you build a forced induction set up. I can not tune at all my self but not many people can. Also many guys don't build a tbi for the exact reason we are arguing. They don't make big power factory and they don't respond amazingly well to modifications.

I don't see how using some simple knowledge of how a motor works and improving over the stock systems makes me arrogant. I am doing mods that many people do every day for power and or economy. I am just documenting the progress so people can get a good idea of what works, what might not, and how much each thing helps. Not sure how I am arrogant.

[kemble]

Im sorry, but your threads/posts have had zero credibility with me. Your comments here above have pretty much reassured that. Its so obvious you are talking out of your ass. And I think your arrogance is bullsh*t also.

You seriously have some sort of complex or something. You offer nothing of intellect, just a bunch of useless mouthing.

[transplant]

Two pages of bickering & bull$hit & not one time slip.

[Fast305]

A van running low 14's with 3.08 gears? I don't think he's doing too bad.

I am not too worried about it. The actual slip, lost during one of my two moves over the past 3 years. I don't have anything to prove to him. And low 14s in something that is 5,500 lbs with the frontal area and shape of a barn door is not bad. Considering it made it into the low 14s with highway gears and a full interior I am happy. I have a nicely built transmission in my garage along with some recent upgrades that will push her well into the 13s. The 3.08s are leaving for 4.10s and some form of locker. My goal for the van is to have to wear a helmet by summer.

His 2500 really doesn't impress me either. With my daily driver I am running quicker than he does off the bottle and I am on 20" wheels and tires, in a heavier truck, with a smaller engine. I have a small torque cam, but otherwise stock exhaust, E-Fan, and a factory converter. Best pass was a 13.97 @ 96 on motor on 26" tall drag radials. Ran 14.15 @ 95 on the 20s.

[Zero260]

I didn't say I have a 12 sec truck. I said I have a 13.4 truck and next race season I will see if I can get the 12 sec slip.

Making anything fast isn't hard. Especially in something common such as a Honda civic or my 6.0. Making hp is generally about money. Head work, cam(s), performance intake, tune if computer controlled, nitrous. Or if you have the money up front you build a forced induction set up. I can not tune at all my self but not many people can. Also many guys don't build a tbi for the exact reason we are arguing. They don't make big power factory and they don't respond amazingly well to modifications.

I don't see how using some simple knowledge of how a motor works and improving over the stock systems makes me arrogant. I am doing mods that many people do every day for power and or economy. I am just documenting the progress so people can get a good idea of what works, what might not, and how much each thing helps. Not sure how I am arrogant.

I never said you run 12s either. Just said you're a bench racer, and your truck isn't fast.

Fine you win. Its easy to make a civic fast. I would say making horsepower requires knowledge. Money just buys the parts and what type of labor you need. But you're the expert, just ask yourself. And thanks for telling me that head/cam/intake swaps and computer tunes are how you increase performance. Its also so nice of you to speak for those who build tbi engines. You sir are a real piece of work.

O and please continue your ground breaking thread on mpg increases with a tbi engine. Thanks for gracing us with your extensive engine knowledge.


You seriously have some sort of complex or something. You offer nothing of intellect, just a bunch of useless mouthing.

Talk about useless, talk about your post. Stfu


Two pages of bickering & bull$hit & not one time slip.

I see bullsh*t, but no time slip here either

[kemble]

Talk about useless, talk about your post. Stfu


edit: your right.

[Ghostyman25]

More like talk about your life. Got to be all hardcore on the internet. You should feel proud of yourself.

Someone has a quote on here,something to the effect of "Dont argue with idiots,because theyll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." Theres really no reason to argue on here. Zero260..i could understand you calling custm2500 out if people started asking alot of advice and you thought he was giving them inaccurate info,however it just doesnt seem needed at the point you did it.

[Zero260]

More like talk about your life. Got to be all hardcore on the internet. You should feel proud of yourself.

Lol, time for bed dood. Hardcore on the internet...wtf are you talking about? Proud of myself? Yeah, that I'm not from Kentucky, and I'm not you.


Someone has a quote on here,something to the effect of "Dont argue with idiots,because theyll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." Theres really no reason to argue on here. Zero260..i could understand you calling custm2500 out if people started asking alot of advice and you thought he was giving them inaccurate info,however it just doesnt seem needed at the point you did it.

Heard the same thing, I sometimes forget it. I agree with you. But need isn't something I always consider.

[tbisbc350]

Why are you guys b!tching at each other? this should be you two lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5GxxRqBDgc

[crossy's son]

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk170/cumminsredneck19/BlackGMCracing026.jpg

[randeez]

well crossy's son, at the moment you have the fastest (documented) tbi in this thread :LOL:

[gmc406]

....and if I dug deeper into my slips I think I've got a faster one.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll413/gmc406/100_7767.jpg


13.00 dial-in. I always dial-in slower than I run to give me a little-head room. If you listen closely at the top end you can hear the truck sputter. I had ignition issues that day. I even went into the finals the way it was running and took gold!
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll413/gmc406/th_Picture307.jpg (http://s314.photobucket.com/albums/ll413/gmc406/?action=view&current=Picture307.mp4)

[6.0vortecchevy]

Guys this is coming from a guy that thought a marine intake went on a 5.3.

[gmc406]

?
I don't get it.

[6.0vortecchevy]

That person knows who Im talking about, so Im not going to put his name to it.

[randeez]

im not sure either :dunno:

[Zero260]

That person knows who Im talking about, so Im not going to put his name to it.

Lol, I know who...

[1.721afr]

Depends on which 5.3...one of them can wear vortecs...genius.

Of course I realize the engine you know..more important I know all the configurations I have built.

Just keeping all you girls in your place for fun, pretty lame fight going on.

[6.0vortecchevy]

Can you show me a 5.3 vortec ive never seen one.

EDIT: Non LS, to make it not confusing

[C/Ktruckfan]

pretty lame fight going on.

any internet "fight" is lame.......

[6.0vortecchevy]

Well I guess hes not going to answer my question.

[1.721afr]

6.0 it's just a matter of what you screw the vortec heads to...think 3.25" stroke.
&
Quit acting like a "know it all" you are far from it.

Now, lets let the OP have his thread for what he intended.

[6.0vortecchevy]

in this case I was talking ls not vortec. So your point is worthless. And I have a hard time understanding what your trying to say. You cant take a vortec head and put it on a ls block. if thats what you mean buy scewing it on. IDK

[1.721afr]

NOBODY CARES what you talk about.

[6.0vortecchevy]

And a 3.25 stroke is a 4.8 or 305.

[1.721afr]

You have again ASSumed...the bore...genius.

Their are also 3.00 stroke combos...

[6.0vortecchevy]

lmao

[crossy's son]

75% of the people in this thread don't have anything TBI...That's the sad part.

I <3 TBI.


They were hot $hit back in the day and still are in my neck of the woods....I can't tell you how many people my Dad has put into TBI trucks because of reliability and Decent economy.............Including myself.

It's funny because 12 years ago my Dad told a guy he works with to look around for a TBI Chevy truck because of reliability and his commute....Well that guy a little over 10 years later sold his truck to me (which is now my 91) with 400k on it.....I'd say he did good when you figure he bought it with only like 90k on it. My dad Still sees the guy Day to day

[6.0vortecchevy]

Doesn't mean we havn't in the past.

[crossy's son]

Doesn't mean we havn't in the past.

You're right......But people feel obligated to talk down on something they've never owned most of the time. not relating directly to this thread but mainly to the Interwebz in general.

[Zero260]

in this case I was talking ls not vortec. So your point is worthless. And I have a hard time understanding what your trying to say. You cant take a vortec head and put it on a ls block. if thats what you mean buy scewing it on. IDK

Yeah, everyone knows you were talking about an LS 5.3; including him. He's so clever. He's talking about some bastard sbc engine combo that someone might use in a dirt track car. Basically, he's stroking his e-peen. Or bored off his ass and wants to get into a interwebz fight.

[kemble]

You have again ASSumed...the bore...genius.

Their are also 3.00 stroke combos...

I'm just guessing you were refering to a 327 with the 3.25" stroke comment. In which case you are still wrong. The chevrolet 327 is 5.4 liters, not the 5.3 you mentioned.

[StreetFreak]

lol at this thread. I have a feeling most of the people posting in here have no place in a racing section. Anyways, nice times gmc406

[6.0vortecchevy]

Ill race my truck once in a while does that make me qualified lol.

[gmc406]

The thing that is holding me back right now is not the TBI system. My cylinder heads have no place on a 406. She runs out of air, not from the cam, but from the heads. Peak power is only at 5400rpm, and I shift her at ~5600rpm(I think lol).

AFR's will be on it someday, but not yet. A simple head swap will pick me up another 4 tenths. It does run real well right now as far as streetability and fuel consuption. I could drive any place in the country without popping the hood. I still have all the factory options in place and in working order. I like my A/C when it's 90*F.

[gmc406]

I also wanted to point out my opinion on the reason why not many TBI's are "hot rodded". Remember that, lets face it, they're getting old. Less and less people are using then as there DD. Most of the people on this site are playing with their DD which, in most cases, is a newer vehicle.

Another thing that the old TBI's have against them is the internet and web forums. Back in 1987 to 1994 how many web forums did you know about? None, because there wasn't any. A lot of good info is traded back and forth over websites and forums. This maybe the key. I would not have done anything to my truck if the net wasn't available. For years I thought the TBI was tamper proof.

I'm not bias towards TBI I just wanted to say a few words. I like the new stuff too, I will play with a Gen III someday.....but not yet. LOL.

[kemble]

The thing that is holding me back right now is not the TBI system. My cylinder heads have no place on a 406. She runs out of air, not from the cam, but from the heads. Peak power is only at 5400rpm, and I shift her at ~5600rpm(I think lol).

AFR's will be on it someday, but not yet. A simple head swap will pick me up another 4 tenths. It does run real well right now as far as streetability and fuel consuption. I could drive any place in the country without popping the hood. I still have all the factory options in place and in working order. I like my A/C when it's 90*F.

from your videos and slips, I bet that truck is fun. What heads are you currently running?

[gmc406]

Edelbrock Performer centerbolts.

[Ghostyman25]

I also wanted to point out my opinion on the reason why not many TBI's are "hot rodded". Remember that, lets face it, they're getting old. Less and less people are using then as there DD. Most of the people on this site are playing with their DD which, in most cases, is a newer vehicle.


This is true. However a tbi is a great engine to start off learning on and it doesnt take much to raise power with. I'm glad i started off in one(i originally wanted an oobs)for the simple fact that i now know ALOT more about efi than i ever thought existed. Its amazingly simple and alotta people are just scared to try and fool with it. I still prefer tbi for reliability and the cheaper upgrades. Everyone used to use carbs to make big bad race engines,but now the carbs time is coming...almost everything is efi now,in one sence or another. Ive been noticing alot more people with tbi's tinkering with them and liking what they find around here.

[whitelightnin92]

i like how everyone calls them "TBI MOTORS". tbi is an injection system not a motor. you could tbi damn near anything. and number two. the tbi is not the limit in power, its the tuner. there are plenty of options to get extra air and fuel out of them. i feel pretty good when i can piss on newer 350 vortec trucks and 5.3 vortecs with my old tbi fuel'd truck. hell my 92 is just as fast as my 06 with the 5.3HO, if not faster.

[Ghostyman25]

i like how everyone calls them "TBI MOTORS". tbi is an injection system not a motor. you could tbi damn near anything. and number two. the tbi is not the limit in power, its the tuner. there are plenty of options to get extra air and fuel out of them. i feel pretty good when i can piss on newer 350 vortec trucks and 5.3 vortecs with my old tbi fuel'd truck. hell my 92 is just as fast as my 06 with the 5.3HO, if not faster.

It just seems to me that vortecs power bands are smaller than tbi's. May be my imagination but meh.

[cttandy]

i like how everyone calls them "TBI MOTORS". tbi is an injection system not a motor. you could tbi damn near anything. and number two. the tbi is not the limit in power, its the tuner. there are plenty of options to get extra air and fuel out of them. i feel pretty good when i can piss on newer 350 vortec trucks and 5.3 vortecs with my old tbi fuel'd truck. hell my 92 is just as fast as my 06 with the 5.3HO, if not faster.

Technically true, it is actually refereed to as the center bolt head engine in most part's circles. But for ease of use, TBI is an easy reference as it is more easily identifiable then center bolt head.

[gmc406]

i like how everyone calls them "TBI MOTORS". tbi is an injection system not a motor. you could tbi damn near anything. and number two. the tbi is not the limit in power, its the tuner. there are plenty of options to get extra air and fuel out of them. i feel pretty good when i can piss on newer 350 vortec trucks and 5.3 vortecs with my old tbi fuel'd truck. hell my 92 is just as fast as my 06 with the 5.3HO, if not faster.

You are correct but also incorrect. If you want to get technical, it's not a MOTOR period. It's an ENGINE. Motors are electric, hydraulic, hydrostatic or pnumatic just to name a few. People know what everybody means, just like I know what people mean when they say "I need a new motor".
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[whitelightnin92]

You are correct but also incorrect. If you want to get technical, it's not a MOTOR period. It's an ENGINE. Motors are electric, hydraulic, hydrostatic or pnumatic just to name a few. People know what everybody means, just like I know what people mean when they say "I need a new motor".
'

right you are sir! i believe the actual definition of "motor" is something that converts electrical energy to mechanical energy . i would have to look it up to be 100% shure.

[whitelightnin92]

It just seems to me that vortecs power bands are smaller than tbi's. May be my imagination but meh.

wrong. im not 100% shure what your calling "VORTECS" but if your comparing vortec heads to swirl port heads then vortec heads simply make more on top and a little less down low. i wouldnt call it a smaller power band.

[whitelightnin92]

Technically true, it is actually refereed to as the center bolt head engine in most part's circles. But for ease of use, TBI is an easy reference as it is more easily identifiable then center bolt head.

well, just a reminder the vortec heads are center bolt heads aswell.

[crossy's son]

I've always called them TBI motors because nothing else came with 193 heads which have their own bottom end power characteristics.

Also , Engines with TBI seem to last longer than the older carbed engines. I haven't heard of many Carbed 305's going 400,000 miles.

[cttandy]

well, just a reminder the vortec heads are center bolt heads aswell.

Yes, but if you call a salvage yard, and ask for a center bolt head engine, they are going to know exactly what you mean (87-95 305/350). If you say a vortec engine, they will know what you mean. If you ask for a TBI 350, depending on how sharp the counter guy is, he might not have a clue what you are asking for.

[Ghostyman25]

Yes, but if you call a salvage yard, and ask for a center bolt head engine, they are going to know exactly what you mean (87-95 305/350). If you say a vortec engine, they will know what you mean. If you ask for a TBI 350, depending on how sharp the counter guy is, he might not have a clue what you are asking for.

I asked a guy about buying a tbi engine that he was selling. I asked what it was and all he seemed to be able to say was..."Its a 350 out of an old truck."

[KJMac]

You seriously have some sort of complex or something. You offer nothing of intellect, just a bunch of useless mouthing.
It sure seems every web site has a couple arrogant trash talkers! I find this interesting and
Helpful for when we put a low mile long block 454 in his '94 chev 2500. His current 454 has 267k
And runs decent but using oil. Please keep the info coming, I see outstanding improvements in these this
Pickups. I have also learned a lot about the vortec 350 stuff so I can improve my '97 tahoe ability to tow my trailer.
Thanks for the great threads! Keep them coming!

[zraffz]

My dad had a low 14 second single cab stepside K10, lifted about 5" on 34"s with 4.10's. It was built by (I believe it was) John Sandoval; he built a few of the top fuel dragsters in the early or mid 90's. I recently took it apart, from what I could tell it was a 454 throttle body on a 350, ported manifold, swirl port heads - I assume they are milled and ported, and if I recall I found the cam card - .510" lift strait cam, the motor was bored .040 and had flat tops. That's all I could tell, for all I know it could have been stroked too but I never took the oil pan off and I couldn't tell the difference in cranks anyway.

[countryson]

soo is everyone gonna stop bickering and post times up? cuz im curious as to tbi's performance. and member that those the who say the tbi is a hinderence, it does same thing as a carb in more precise matter. cam headers intake? bigger or rejetted carb: tbi, retuned ecm, higher fuel pressure, larger injectors. both spay fuel thru an opening into a manifold.
and each to his own, a tbi is cheaper than newer vehicles, and easier to mod. my moms has a 94 exsb 4x4 with a 305. it hauls about zero ass even with the 3.73s. i want to mod it for better drivebilty. every1 says to drop a 350 in its easier. well i dont have 350s layin around. i have a 305 that just hit 100,000.

now post something with a time, i dont care if its a civic with a tbi

[zraffz]

The TBI years came with swirl port heads which are great for torque but don't allow you to produce much horsepower. The problem with a 305 is obvious; it's the same as comparing a mildly built 350 to a mildly built 400. The larger displacement allows more torque even when the entire top end is comparably the same.
I'm not quiet sure what you're trying to ask though. Ideally on a TBI vehicle using swirl port heads I'd do a mild cam on a 400 block and put down descent power. It wouldn't be a rocket but it'd be a heck of a lot faster then a 305 or 350 with the same parts.

[crossy's son]

I just got rid of a EXSB 4x4 with a 305 and 3.73's and Throttle body spacer and TBI mods, and a single 3" Exhaust w/ a high flow cat made a huge difference. would peel out a little from a dead stop

[zraffz]

I just got rid of a EXSB 4x4 with a 305 and 3.73's and Throttle body spacer and TBI mods, and a single 3" Exhaust w/ a high flow cat made a huge difference. would peel out a little from a dead stop

Being generous I'd call it a 25 HP gain lol. I do know though a lot of guys that run worked TBI motors use big block TBs.

[gmc406]

soo is everyone gonna stop bickering and post times up? cuz im curious as to tbi's performance. and member that those the who say the tbi is a hinderence, it does same thing as a carb in more precise matter. cam headers intake? bigger or rejetted carb: tbi, retuned ecm, higher fuel pressure, larger injectors. both spay fuel thru an opening into a manifold.
and each to his own, a tbi is cheaper than newer vehicles, and easier to mod. my moms has a 94 exsb 4x4 with a 305. it hauls about zero ass even with the 3.73s. i want to mod it for better drivebilty. every1 says to drop a 350 in its easier. well i dont have 350s layin around. i have a 305 that just hit 100,000.

now post something with a time, i dont care if its a civic with a tbi

I did post something. I don't think too many guys posted times, so nobody's fibbing. Hot-rodded TBI's just aren't that common.

[crossy's son]

Being generous I'd call it a 25 HP gain lol. I do know though a lot of guys that run worked TBI motors use big block TBs.

I don't care how much HP it gained If you drive a ECSB 4x4 305 truck everyday you'll be very very greatful for that 25hp gain. you don't understand if you haven't driven one

[countryson]

what he said is pure truth, the muffler fell off ours so i just ran a pipe out in front of the tire and flipped the air cleaner lid, made all the difference in the world. still can barley pull 15mpg tho :banghead:

[00zmde]

14.7 consistantly with slight slipping trans also wont shift manually for nothing. It shifts at 4500ish in D - Built to wind up to 6000+ish "Waaaaaaaaay too lean up top" types Brian (so I found out after disappointing runs and datalogs) -good thing it shifts early in D, and lots of spark knock. Trans w/ PI Vig is being built - WIP. Engine combo should be breaking 12's- for some reason Im not close. However, when the tranny goes in I know I going to knock some time off. Then tuning should knock off quite a bit also - my current AFPR isnt easy to adjust without lifting the Inj pod - fixing that before next trip out of the yard. TBI=PITA for those who cant DIY tune or have enough knowlegde to know how to interpret the data. I could have destroyed my engine at the track because of my ignorance.

[va454ss]

Times in signature.

[GreenVortec]

i like how everyone calls them "TBI MOTORS". tbi is an injection system not a motor. you could tbi damn near anything. and number two. the tbi is not the limit in power, its the tuner. there are plenty of options to get extra air and fuel out of them. i feel pretty good when i can piss on newer 350 vortec trucks and 5.3 vortecs with my old tbi fuel'd truck. hell my 92 is just as fast as my 06 with the 5.3HO, if not faster.

stock?

[cttandy]

stock?

A stock 4.8L has nearly 100 HP over a 5.7L TBI, a 5.3L 45HP more then a TBI 454.

A stock TBI 350 has 190HP, that isnt fast. A stock TBI 454 has 230 to 255 depending on year.

[GreenVortec]

A stock 4.8L has nearly 100 HP over a 5.7L TBI, a 5.3L 45HP more then a TBI 454.

A stock TBI 350 has 190HP, that isnt fast. A stock TBI 454 has 230 to 255 depending on year.
lmao what are the numbers for a 350 tbi to the wheels?

[cttandy]

lmao what are the numbers for a 350 tbi to the wheels?

Pretty lousy, but they make pretty good tq from 2700-3400RPM, so they feel more ballsy then they really are. That is also why then pull a trailer well. They only make 250-260 Ft lbs of tq, but it is very usable.

[93ChevyTBI]

upgrade to roller cam and get 440 ft/lbs at 2500 rpm :read:

although I'm sure the heads and headers helped too :smile:

[cttandy]

upgrade to roller cam and get 440 ft/lbs at 2500 rpm :read:

although I'm sure the heads and headers helped too :smile:

More so the heads then the cam.

[GreaseDog]

A stock 4.8L has nearly 100 HP over a 5.7L TBI, a 5.3L 45HP more then a TBI 454.

A stock TBI 350 has 190HP, that isnt fast. A stock TBI 454 has 230 to 255 depending on year.

what we Gen I guys have been saying all along when the Gen III guys start beating their chests about their "superior" engines comes into play... the name of the game is torque, after all, you're accelerating down a 1320, not getting a running start at it, and blasting down at top speed. while the Gen III engines may have a higher horsepower rating, look at the torque peaks.... then at the available gear ratios... and factor in tire sizes... its all about having torque in the power range where you need it.

my dad's 99 4.8 truck for example, 100hp over an L05 equipped truck... put it (with its 3.23 rear axle ratio), against a comparably sized well maintained L05 truck with 3.42s. the L05 truck will walk all over the 4.8 truck stock for stock.

[cttandy]

what we Gen I guys have been saying all along when the Gen III guys start beating their chests about their "superior" engines comes into play... the name of the game is torque, after all, you're accelerating down a 1320, not getting a running start at it, and blasting down at top speed. while the Gen III engines may have a higher horsepower rating, look at the torque peaks.... then at the available gear ratios... and factor in tire sizes... its all about having torque in the power range where you need it.

my dad's 99 4.8 truck for example, 100hp over an L05 equipped truck... put it (with its 3.23 rear axle ratio), against a comparably sized well maintained L05 truck with 3.42s. the L05 truck will walk all over the 4.8 truck stock for stock.

I have owned and driven many of these trucks, LS based engines will walk TBI. That is why many have resolved to dumping them and going with LS stuff.

Check my signature, I have 2 TBI trucks right now.

[93ChevyTBI]

More so the heads then the cam.

on the horsepower definitely. Torque-wise, I'd say the cam had the bigger input. TBI swirlports are good for torque as they are. I don't have desktop dyno on this computer, otherwise I'd plug it in and find out.

[Fast305]

I have owned and driven many of these trucks, LS based engines will walk TBI. That is why many have resolved to dumping them and going with LS stuff.

Check my signature, I have 2 TBI trucks right now.

STOCK FOR STOCK the TBI OWNS the GENIII 4.8/5.3 until about 40 mph. L31 Vortec also owns the 4.8/5.3 owns until about 60 mph.

As for me, I dumped Chevrolet and went the way of the HEMI. If HPTuners would just get off their butt and give us ECM and TCM controls that actually worked the way they should they could run all over a LSx with the same mods.

[cttandy]

on the horsepower definitely. Torque-wise, I'd say the cam had the bigger input. TBI swirlports are good for torque as they are. I don't have desktop dyno on this computer, otherwise I'd plug it in and find out.


Swirl port heads won't put out those numbers without some love. Roller cam 383 stroker with stock heads won't put out those number. The heads are to restrictive for the sack of emissions. Open them up and they will sing. A buddy built a TBI 383 stroker that dyno'd over 600HP at the crank, but it had some serious love.

[cttandy]

STOCK FOR STOCK the TBI OWNS the GENIII 4.8/5.3 until about 40 mph. L31 Vortec also owns the 4.8/5.3 owns until about 60 mph.

As for me, I dumped Chevrolet and went the way of the HEMI. If HPTuners would just get off their butt and give us ECM and TCM controls that actually worked the way they should they could run all over a LSx with the same mods.

Hemi's are strong motors, I will give you that. I just don't like them. After working at the dealer and seeing them literally fall apart right off the freight truck from the assembly plant, NO THANKS. We had to go pickup a customer and have the truck towed back because it decided to shed parts on the test drive. The a/c compressor was dragging the ground below it.

I drove a buddies crew cab dodge with a hemi, I could adjust I guess, but it would have to be a heck of a deal on the truck.

I have had a stock TBI 350 and stock 5.3L truck, and towed the exact same trailer with it, the TBI just didn't have the guts. I have also raced both, same result. No matter of discussion will change my mind, I have owned and worked on both, the LS motor is more powerful all the way around, and it is far faster. I prefer to haul with the TBI and drive a TBI for the smooth power and dependability.

[Fast305]

Hemi's are strong motors, I will give you that. I just don't like them. After working at the dealer and seeing them literally fall apart right off the freight truck from the assembly plant, NO THANKS. We had to go pickup a customer and have the truck towed back because it decided to shed parts on the test drive. The a/c compressor was dragging the ground below it.

I drove a buddies crew cab dodge with a hemi, I could adjust I guess, but it would have to be a heck of a deal on the truck.

I have had a stock TBI 350 and stock 5.3L truck, and towed the exact same trailer with it, the TBI just didn't have the guts. I have also raced both, same result. No matter of discussion will change my mind, I have owned and worked on both, the LS motor is more powerful all the way around, and it is far faster. I prefer to haul with the TBI and drive a TBI for the smooth power and dependability.

My TBI was never truly stock. I have always had Tri-Y headers, 1.6:1 rockers, an aftermaket intake, and some form of Tuning done to it. With that done, I was always over the 220 HP/300TQ mark at the tires, even with the stock longblock.

I always liked the way my 350 TBI could pull long grades at lower RPM than the GEN III counterpart.

[oldred95]

If the fat lady sings this weekend I will get a video of it. I just recently went back to speed density and have about 3 miles drive time on it since the switch and the VE tables are still off quite a bit. Its not fast but for something that definitely shouldn't be fast it will get up and go when it wants to.

[whitelightnin92]

stock?

mildly modded

[whitelightnin92]

Pretty lousy, but they make pretty good tq from 2700-3400RPM, so they feel more ballsy then they really are. That is also why then pull a trailer well. They only make 250-260 Ft lbs of tq, but it is very usable.

with just a tune that tq jumps to well over 300

[whitelightnin92]

just want to add to the ls vs gen 1 arguement. about two months ago i put my buddy in my new truck and i was in my old truck. we ran from a dead stop and i left him untill about 45 mph, then the 06 (it has an L33) ran me down and passed. these trucks both have 3.73 gears and same size tires. i drive both trucks all the time and though i like the little extra power of the new truck, i prefer the instant TQ output of my tbi POS.

[1988 GMC 355]

I can atest that my truck with the mods I have will outrun a 5.3 truck with exhaust and intake....till about 40 mph like stated above then its over. both trucks had same gears, tires, tranny.

[Fast305]

just want to add to the ls vs gen 1 arguement. about two months ago i put my buddy in my new truck and i was in my old truck. we ran from a dead stop and i left him untill about 45 mph, then the 06 (it has an L33) ran me down and passed. these trucks both have 3.73 gears and same size tires. i drive both trucks all the time and though i like the little extra power of the new truck, i prefer the instant TQ output of my tbi POS.

Toss a little bigger roller cam in the TBI and top it with a single plane intake manifold, it will have the same low-end jump and leave the L33 in the dust.

[cancritter]

30 over with BABY cam...499 tq
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t181/CanCritter/engine1-1.jpg

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t181/CanCritter/engine3-2.jpg

[whitelightnin92]

Toss a little bigger roller cam in the TBI and top it with a single plane intake manifold, it will have the same low-end jump and leave the L33 in the dust.

soon to come my friend, i will be stroking it aswell.

[whitelightnin92]

wow 499TQ and still over 300 hp

[93ChevyTBI]

soon to come my friend, i will be stroking it aswell.

just keep that info to yourself, you perv :nutkick:

[93ChevyTBI]

wow 499TQ and still over 300 hp

I was doubting Cancritter's numbers, especially the 499 torque, until I saw he has Trick Flow heads. I don't know about them but have heard they are pretty decent. If, true, definitely impressive. I thought mine was high at 440 ft/lbs and about the same hp....think it was 320-325. A single plane would actually add 15 hp IIRC with a slight dip in torque but I'm happy with it as it is....except for the 11-12 mpg

[whitelightnin92]

just keep that info to yourself, you perv :nutkick:

:lol:

[Zero260]

I was doubting Cancritter's numbers, especially the 499 torque, until I saw he has Trick Flow heads. I don't know about them but have heard they are pretty decent. If, true, definitely impressive. I thought mine was high at 440 ft/lbs and about the same hp....think it was 320-325. A single plane would actually add 15 hp IIRC with a slight dip in torque but I'm happy with it as it is....except for the 11-12 mpg

They aren't real numbers. Its a program. I would still doubt them. Trick flows on a L05? Thats like $5000 fake titties on a fat chick. Seriously, come on.

Anyone know where I can get a tbi to lsx manifold? Or even better, a way to adapt swirl ports to a lsx block? I need to dump these p.o.s. gen III parts, my truck is so slow.

These arguements are so weak and dumb. Try racing lsx equipped truck with only the TM tuned out. Lol. A tune and converter swap would put the ls truck on a level you'd have to spend thousands for a L05 to catch up.

Seriously, do you people tight roll your jeans and wear high tops? Sport mullets with lightning bolts shaved in the sides of your head? Talk on zack morris cell phones? Follow the rest of us to the 21st century, you will like it.

FYI, the tuning is already there for new generation mopar engines. It is the lack and cost of the aftermarket parts that hold them back.

[GreenVortec]

They aren't real numbers. Its a program. I would still doubt them. Trick flows on a L05? Thats like $5000 fake titties on a fat chick. Seriously, come on.

Anyone know where I can get a tbi to lsx manifold? Or even better, a way to adapt swirl ports to a lsx block? I need to dump these p.o.s. gen III parts, my truck is so slow.

These arguements are so weak and dumb. Try racing lsx equipped truck with only the TM tuned out. Lol. A tune and converter swap would put the ls truck on a level you'd have to spend thousands for a L05 to catch up.

Seriously, do you people tight roll your jeans and wear high tops? Sport mullets with lightning bolts shaved in the sides of your head? Talk on zack morris cell phones? Follow the rest of us to the 21st century, you will like it.

FYI, the tuning is already there for new generation mopar engines. It is the lack and cost of the aftermarket parts that hold them back.

LOL SO MUCH WIN! YES!!!! hahahahahahaha

[cancritter]

talks cheap...will post specs and vid when westers puts in the real cam and dose the dyno ..turbos yet to come!

[Fast305]

They aren't real numbers. Its a program. I would still doubt them. Trick flows on a L05? Thats like $5000 fake titties on a fat chick. Seriously, come on.

These arguements are so weak and dumb. Try racing lsx equipped truck with only the TM tuned out. Lol. A tune and converter swap would put the ls truck on a level you'd have to spend thousands for a L05 to catch up.



350 parts are stupid cheap and it is stupid easy to make more than 400 HP with them. I actually prefere Brodix heads to just about any other manufacturer with the exception of AFR. A nice roller cam L05 with Brodix/AFR heads, a single plane, and long tubes would give even the mightly 6.0 a run for its money with the TBI on top of it.

With a 9:1 350, I put almost 370 RWHP and 380 RWTQ down with less than $2,500 total into my engine, intake, cam, headers, exhaust, and tuning.


FYI, the tuning is already there for new generation mopar engines. It is the lack and cost of the aftermarket parts that hold them back.

You are WAY OFF on the late model mopar stuff. Simply put, the tuning is NOT there PERIOD. About the only reliable transmission tuning is through Superchips 3865. For engine tuning you only have two real choices and they are somewhat limiting. SCT tunes up through 2006 only and DIABLOW CMR well that is hit and miss as well. Diablow loves to reprogram the Hemi Ram ABS control units, knocking it out of commision.

When you have production heads that flow 330 cfm out of the box at .500" lift, cams, long tube headers, intake options, custom forged pistons, stronger rods, and stroker cranks to build up to 440 cid what more could you want. The tuning has not caught up with the parts available and unless HP Tuners works a miracle it is not going to. SCT is no longer doing any Mopar development and barely supports what they have.

[Zero260]

I doubt a 350 built to those specs would hang with a tuned 6.0. Both engines being in the same body style truck/vehicle. Ive seen a dynosheet of a bolt on 6.0 putting down 350 rwhp. No stock stroke/bore L05 is going to do that N/A.

My LQ9 put down 404/391. Cammed, stock heads, a factory production intake, a whipped 4l60e (unknown to me, thought it was built when I bought it). It put those numbers down in a second gear pull. Your numbers just aren't that impressive, get over it. Spent a little more money getting the engine and camming it. Plus I doubt you're including the tools you needed to tune that engine in your estimate.

Maybe making 400 crank hp is easy with a tbi fueling system, if you know how to tune a obd-1 pcm, or you'd like to devote a huge amount of time learning an obsolete technology. Sorry bud, give up the arguement. If you like a small block, great. If you want to run tbi, awesome. Just realize LS engines are on another level.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBbNzAR_ADw

lol, the tuning isn't up to date my ass. More than a few fast new gen hemis out there. Do you even have a hemi powered vehicle? Last post I dodge related read post from you was about how great the 4.7 was.

[Fast305]

I doubt a 350 built to those specs would hang with a tuned 6.0. Both engines being in the same body style truck/vehicle. Ive seen a dynosheet of a bolt on 6.0 putting down 350 rwhp. No stock stroke/bore L05 is going to do that N/A.

My LQ9 put down 404/391. Cammed, stock heads, a factory production intake, a whipped 4l60e (unknown to me, thought it was built when I bought it). It put those numbers down in a second gear pull. Your numbers just aren't that impressive, get over it. Spent a little more money getting the engine and camming it. Plus I doubt you're including the tools you needed to tune that engine in your estimate.

Maybe making 400 crank hp is easy with a tbi fueling system, if you know how to tune a obd-1 pcm, or you'd like to devote a huge amount of time learning an obsolete technology. Sorry bud, give up the arguement. If you like a small block, great. If you want to run tbi, awesome. Just realize LS engines are on another level.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBbNzAR_ADw

lol, the tuning isn't up to date my ass. More than a few fast new gen hemis out there. Do you even have a hemi powered vehicle? Last post I dodge related read post from you was about how great the 4.7 was.

My Hemi QCSB runs 8.70s in the 1/8 and yes I know how ****ty the tuning is. It runs those times through the factory cast-iron manifolds, cats, y-pipe, single 3" exhaust. Ran 9.50s with long tubes and a SCT Tune on 20s @ 5,500 lbs. 4.7 is a GREAT engine, the 03 ECSB "Club Cab" Dakota runs 9.00 flat in the 1/8 on street tires @ 4,500 lbs and it only has Superchips/Split Second PSC-1 for tuning.

I hope you realize my 9:1 350 was making that power and had over 300 RWTQ @ only 2,400 rpm and I was running a very low-end cam (214/218 @ .050) on a wide 114*LSA. I had a set of ported vortecs with 2.05/1.60 valves and they weren't even milled to try to raise the sickly 9:1 compression. My STOCK BORE STOCK STROKE STOCK COMPRESSION RATIO L05 made 369 RWHP @ 5,600 and 380 RWTQ @ 3,800 with 14 cubes less than your 6.0 and maintained over 350 RWHP all the way to the 6,500 rpm fuel shut-off despite turning a 3.08 geared 9.5" corporate 14 bolt, 700r4 in 2nd gear, mechanical engine fan with HD fan clutch. Your 404 RWHP is not impressive to me either, considering I have seen 5.7 LS1s crank out the same power with stock heads. My $2500.00 price was TUNING TOOLS INCLUDED, MINUS the laptop I have had for years. I never even used a wideband while tuning it. First time it saw a wideband with that setup was on the dyno and it was right at 12.7:1 afr across the board.

[Zero260]

Right, ignore the vid with the srt-8 jeep making a 10 sec pass with FI.

http://performancetrucks.net/forums/showthread.php?t=472581

There is a link to my dyno thread. That is with a cam on a 114 lsa. It was also with 31" tires with 3.42 gears. He spun the engine to 150mph on the roller.

This is getting pretty funny. Your post isn't completely honest. First, you got a brother-in-law deal on the port work for the vortecs. So, I call bull**** on your price estimate. I remember the build thread. Second, an average guy couldn't get an obd-1 controlled engine to run like you can. I live in the 4th largest city in the country. I can not find a shop that will tune a domestic obd-1 pcm. Therefore, the price goes up for 99% of anyone seeking to build a "performance tbi" engine. Also, I think I remember that engine being a TPI, not a TBI.

I'm sorry, but I could honestly care less what impresses you. Really wasn't trying to. The ls1 that you saw put down that power could've had a bigger cam, or been a m6. I'm not posting here with an attitude that I've done something no one else has done. These engines have been around for 10+ years. The ground breaking performance gains have happened.

[1988 GMC 355]

Right, ignore the vid with the srt-8 jeep making a 10 sec pass with FI.

http://performancetrucks.net/forums/showthread.php?t=472581

There is a link to my dyno thread. That is with a cam on a 114 lsa. It was also with 31" tires with 3.42 gears. He spun the engine to 150mph on the roller.

This is getting pretty funny. Your post isn't completely honest. First, you got a brother-in-law deal on the port work for the vortecs. So, I call bull**** on your price estimate. I remember the build thread. Second, an average guy couldn't get an obd-1 controlled engine to run like you can. I live in the 4th largest city in the country. I can not find a shop that will tune a domestic obd-1 pcm. Therefore, the price goes up for 99% of anyone seeking to build a "performance tbi" engine. Also, I think I remember that engine being a TPI, not a TBI.

I'm sorry, but I could honestly care less what impresses you. Really wasn't trying to. The ls1 that you saw put down that power could've had a bigger cam, or been a m6. I'm not posting here with an attitude that I've done something no one else has done. These engines have been around for 10+ years. The ground breaking performance gains have happened.

If you havent figured it out, he doesn't care what impresses you either. HE likes TBI, you like LSX. thing is he appreciates both those and Dodge stuff too, where as since you has a LSx 6.0 thats all that is worth having, well maybe you can get you thumb out of your a$$ and learn that a gearhead has his favorite stuff but can also appreciate otehr things like old injection systems and other brands or styles. So you can act like you know it all and he is all wrong, but at the end of the day you made yourself look dumb.

[Zero260]

If you havent figured it out, he doesn't care what impresses you either. HE likes TBI, you like LSX. thing is he appreciates both those and Dodge stuff too, where as since you has a LSx 6.0 thats all that is worth having, well maybe you can get you thumb out of your a$$ and learn that a gearhead has his favorite stuff but can also appreciate otehr things like old injection systems and other brands or styles. So you can act like you know it all and he is all wrong, but at the end of the day you made yourself look dumb.

Step out of the thread, please. Your post was worthless. I think I made it clear that I wasn't here to impress anyone. I think if you spent time to actually read the posts, you'd see that you don't have clue 1 about what you are posting.

Also, I think you will see, I never knocked anyone for liking anything. I also never acted like anything. I did make fun of peoples' thought regarding sbc vs. a lsx. If you go back further, I actually took up for people who run a tbi engine.

The whole sbc vs. lsx arguement in this thread reminds me of chicks that rate a 4 out of 10, hating on a perfect 10 that just walked by.

I don't know where thumb up my ass came from. You may have some closet issues that need to be looked at.

[Badass69]

Meh, my 2 cents is this. If you want to run an old Gen 1 small block go hard. The parts are pretty reasonably priced and you can build some good power before the bottom end flys apart anyhow. Even 4 bolts aren't all that tough. That's what I like about the LS, specifically 6.0 liters in my case is strength. And the advantages of better valve angles and heads and overall design. Throw a set of ARP rod bolts in a stock bottom end 05 up LQ4 or any LQ9 and make power a Gen 1 will scatter itself attempting to do.

Do I believe numbers that are in this thread from Cancritter and Fast 305..... maybe. Fast 305 no because he has proven time and time again he is a compulsive liar with a problem. Cancritter who knows....... desk top dyno makes some fairly absurd number up, and 500 lb ft from a .040" 350...... I dunno about that.

Dodge's tuning does suck though, one of the reasons I abandoned Chrysler myself. What Fast is saying in that respect is correct. Engine parts are there, and although pricey are readily available. Reliable tuning however is not. The CMR has a hard time controlling part throttle boost ( Chrysler's PCM really)so that Jeep can be a bear on the strip at WOT but street driving would be touch and go. Go hang out on any Hemi board... I do, Lxforums. I used to own an 06 SRT8 Charger that I was modding and just gave up and sold it. I did make friends in the local Alberta club and still converse with them. Stuff hasn't changed a lot from when I stopped caring about my car until now. Hopefully real tuning software will open up one day for them.

[87_305]

Meh, my 2 cents is this. If you want to run an old Gen 1 small block go hard. The parts are pretty reasonably priced and you can build some good power before the bottom end flys apart anyhow. Even 4 bolts aren't all that tough. That's what I like about the LS, specifically 6.0 liters in my case is strength. And the advantages of better valve angles and heads and overall design. Throw a set of ARP rod bolts in a stock bottom end 05 up LQ4 or any LQ9 and make power a Gen 1 will scatter itself attempting to do.

Do I believe numbers that are in this thread from Cancritter and Fast 305..... maybe. Fast 305 no because he has proven time and time again he is a compulsive liar with a problem. Cancritter who knows....... desk top dyno makes some fairly absurd number up, and 500 lb ft from a .040" 350...... I dunno about that.

Dodge's tuning does suck though, one of the reasons I abandoned Chrysler myself. What Fast is saying in that respect is correct. Engine parts are there, and although pricey are readily available. Reliable tuning however is not. The CMR has a hard time controlling part throttle boost ( Chrysler's PCM really)so that Jeep can be a bear on the strip at WOT but street driving would be touch and go. Go hang out on any Hemi board... I do, Lxforums. I used to own an 06 SRT8 Charger that I was modding and just gave up and sold it. I did make friends in the local Alberta club and still converse with them. Stuff hasn't changed a lot from when I stopped caring about my car until now. Hopefully real tuning software will open up one day for them.

4 bolts hold up plenty good if they are put together right. Just watch a nascar race and you'll see plenty of 355 sbc engines making over 700hp and turning in excess of 7 grand for hours. That being said I take an interest in all engines because they can all be improved upon and to bad mouth one type or brand just doesn't make sense to me. I don't understand all the hate between the tbi and lsx guys. I thought chevy lovers liked all chevy engines?

[1988 GMC 355]

Step out of the thread, please. Your post was worthless. I think I made it clear that I wasn't here to impress anyone. I think if you spent time to actually read the posts, you'd see that you don't have clue 1 about what you are posting.

Also, I think you will see, I never knocked anyone for liking anything. I also never acted like anything. I did make fun of peoples' thought regarding sbc vs. a lsx. If you go back further, I actually took up for people who run a tbi engine.

The whole sbc vs. lsx arguement in this thread reminds me of chicks that rate a 4 out of 10, hating on a perfect 10 that just walked by.

I don't know where thumb up my ass came from. You may have some closet issues that need to be looked at.

YOu can post all you want about LSx stuff in here but this is a Fastest TBI thread, which I own one and you don't so why don't you step out and go derail a different thread, you are no where near the topic of this thread, and no one in here cares what you LQ9 makes because this is about TBI's and not a debate on which is better, if thats what we wanted we would have asked you since you seem to always be right and just that much better than everyone else, yout like this annoying ditzy girl I used to live by who knew all about her dads boats and trucks, and she was never wrong, so she thought.

[Zero260]

Meh, my 2 cents is this. If you want to run an old Gen 1 small block go hard. The parts are pretty reasonably priced and you can build some good power before the bottom end flys apart anyhow. Even 4 bolts aren't all that tough. That's what I like about the LS, specifically 6.0 liters in my case is strength. And the advantages of better valve angles and heads and overall design. Throw a set of ARP rod bolts in a stock bottom end 05 up LQ4 or any LQ9 and make power a Gen 1 will scatter itself attempting to do.

Do I believe numbers that are in this thread from Cancritter and Fast 305..... maybe. Fast 305 no because he has proven time and time again he is a compulsive liar with a problem. Cancritter who knows....... desk top dyno makes some fairly absurd number up, and 500 lb ft from a .040" 350...... I dunno about that.

Dodge's tuning does suck though, one of the reasons I abandoned Chrysler myself. What Fast is saying in that respect is correct. Engine parts are there, and although pricey are readily available. Reliable tuning however is not. The CMR has a hard time controlling part throttle boost ( Chrysler's PCM really)so that Jeep can be a bear on the strip at WOT but street driving would be touch and go. Go hang out on any Hemi board... I do, Lxforums. I used to own an 06 SRT8 Charger that I was modding and just gave up and sold it. I did make friends in the local Alberta club and still converse with them. Stuff hasn't changed a lot from when I stopped caring about my car until now. Hopefully real tuning software will open up one day for them.

As usual, solid post, that I pretty much agree with. I followed a couple threads from a guy on pt.net. Never really mentioned tuning being an issue. Only problems he posted were about parts and prices. He's building a stroker engine. Also there's a guy at work with a cammed srt-8 charger. He had it dyno tuned in Austin, TX. He never mentions any driveablity, tuning issues. However, I stand corrected............on the mopar tuning issue


YOu can post all you want about LSx stuff in here but this is a Fastest TBI thread, which I own one and you don't so why don't you step out and go derail a different thread, you are no where near the topic of this thread, and no one in here cares what you LQ9 makes because this is about TBI's and not a debate on which is better, if thats what we wanted we would have asked you since you seem to always be right and just that much better than everyone else, yout like this annoying ditzy girl I used to live by who knew all about her dads boats and trucks, and she was never wrong, so she thought.

LOL! 20 is pretty young to be so pissed off. Less anger and more reading comprehension will help you out.

Go back to page 5. Again, you're wrong. Also, its pretty funny how you accuse me of derailing the thread. Yet you post up this angry, weak ass group of words.

I used to have a h/c/i, tbi fueled truck. Which, I might add, was hands down faster than yours. I like to read about what people are doing with them. If there's a statement posted that I don't agree with, I'm going to respond. So piss off, dood. This thread topic went bye bye pages ago, anyhow.

Gotta say, your similie is fkn dumb.

[1988 GMC 355]

As usual, solid post, that I pretty much agree with. I followed a couple threads from a guy on pt.net. Never really mentioned tuning being an issue. Only problems he posted were about parts and prices. He's building a stroker engine. Also there's a guy at work with a cammed srt-8 charger. He had it dyno tuned in Austin, TX. He never mentions any driveablity, tuning issues. However, I stand corrected............on the mopar tuning issue



LOL! 20 is pretty young to be so pissed off. Less anger and more reading comprehension will help you out.

Go back to page 5. Again, you're wrong. Also, its pretty funny how you accuse me of derailing the thread. Yet you post up this angry, weak ass group of words.

I used to have a h/c/i, tbi fueled truck. Which, I might add, was hands down faster than yours. I like to read about what people are doing with them. If there's a statement posted that I don't agree with, I'm going to respond. So piss off, dood. This thread topic went bye bye pages ago, anyhow.

Gotta say, your similie is fkn dumb.

I never said mine was fast at all, its not and I dont care. And you fit the simile very well, you won't ever get it, jsut like she still doesn't.

[Badass69]

4 bolts hold up plenty good if they are put together right. Just watch a nascar race and you'll see plenty of 355 sbc engines making over 700hp and turning in excess of 7 grand for hours. That being said I take an interest in all engines because they can all be improved upon and to bad mouth one type or brand just doesn't make sense to me. I don't understand all the hate between the tbi and lsx guys. I thought chevy lovers liked all chevy engines?

Not all of us hate, I don't for one. I just embrace the fact the LS is a better stronger engine design.

Those 700 HP Nascar engines share style only with a production block. They are not GM castings from production vehicles, and are rather aftermarket ( GMPP Bowtie or Dart's, Motown whatever) blocks. Heck of a lot tougher than GM blocks can dream about being. Same goes for Sprint cars and the drag racing circuit making big power.

About the toughest factory 350 casting I know of is the 3970010 4 bolt with 010 and 020 under the timing cover. They are really hard, verified when cutting one I had to build a 383 from. The machinist's cutting tool was getting really hot and the block was just plain difficult to bore. He said that was common with those ones ( highest nickel and tin content) as he cut many in the past. They are plentiful here as I live in farming community and they powered many 510, 550 and 750 Massey Ferguson combines.

I own a 355 in a super stock dirt track car and it honestly concerns me. It has no strengthening provisions ( block fill, aftermarket main caps) and is just a balanced 2 bolt 1 piece rear block with ARP hardware. I built it for a pickup I never put it in ( LQ9 is going in the truck instead) and this guy wanted it in the worst way for his car. I guess I will see how long it lasts..... maybe it will surprise me. This is it.

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg239/STR8_From_Hell/P5220013.jpg

It's just a roller 1 piece that is now running a flat tappet solid cam. The shop I built it at ( the guy let me build it there) redid some stuff like adding teflon cam bearings and aluminum main and rod bearings. It has Dart Iron Eagles on it, really just a heavy duty casting Vortec ripoff. I think the heads need milling for more compression but we shall see. I really don't what it will do when running right but hopefully will find out this weekend!

[Zero260]

I don't understand all the hate between the tbi and lsx guys. I thought chevy lovers liked all chevy engines?

No hate from my end. I just read where some people were posting from their ass, got bored and responded. I have no problem with people running what they got. I wanted to build a tbi 383 pretty bad for my '88 rcsb. Just ended up making friends with people in the ls world. I saw what they were doing with them. Ended up selling the truck, and going a different direction.


I never said mine was fast at all, its not and I dont care. And you fit the simile very well, you won't ever get it, jsut like she still doesn't.

Got any pics? Looks like she is rich, so far so good.

I know your truck isn't fast. I got that from your sig. You see, I have reading comprehension skills. I just thought it would be fun to throw that in there. Pretty ironic you calling me a know it all. lol.

[cttandy]

Stock for stock there really is no comparison between the motors, one is strong the other isn't. Numbers are numbers, can't change that. Opening the door to modified engines is a whole different can of worms. There are street driven LS based engines making 1500 HP.

I do prefer a TBI engine for general drive-ability and dependability. BUT, trying to get the money together to swap to a 6.0L and 4L80E. The motor is knocking, I love the truck, not going to slap antiquated motor back in it.

As for the original topic, Big Brown could maybe pull off a 19 second pass in the 1/4, the Princess maybe a furious 17-18 second pass.

Don't laugh to hard. I watched a 6.2L diesel truck run a 24 second pass in the 1/8th mile.

[whitelightnin92]

They aren't real numbers. Its a program. I would still doubt them. Trick flows on a L05? Thats like $5000 fake titties on a fat chick. Seriously, come on.

Anyone know where I can get a tbi to lsx manifold? Or even better, a way to adapt swirl ports to a lsx block? I need to dump these p.o.s. gen III parts, my truck is so slow.

These arguements are so weak and dumb. Try racing lsx equipped truck with only the TM tuned out. Lol. A tune and converter swap would put the ls truck on a level you'd have to spend thousands for a L05 to catch up.

Seriously, do you people tight roll your jeans and wear high tops? Sport mullets with lightning bolts shaved in the sides of your head? Talk on zack morris cell phones? Follow the rest of us to the 21st century, you will like it.

FYI, the tuning is already there for new generation mopar engines. It is the lack and cost of the aftermarket parts that hold them back.

this is why tbi threads get closed. this is not the thread for a tbi vs ls arguement so, why dont we keep it that way

[Zero260]

this is why tbi threads get closed. This is not the thread for a tbi vs ls arguement so, why dont we keep it that way

lol lol


i feel pretty good when i can piss on newer 350 vortec trucks and 5.3 vortecs with my old tbi fuel'd truck. Hell my 92 is just as fast as my 06 with the 5.3ho, if not faster.


what we gen i guys have been saying all along when the gen iii guys start beating their chests about their "superior" engines comes into play... The name of the game is torque, after all, you're accelerating down a 1320, not getting a running start at it, and blasting down at top speed. While the gen iii engines may have a higher horsepower rating, look at the torque peaks.... Then at the available gear ratios... And factor in tire sizes... Its all about having torque in the power range where you need it.

My dad's 99 4.8 truck for example, 100hp over an l05 equipped truck... Put it (with its 3.23 rear axle ratio), against a comparably sized well maintained l05 truck with 3.42s. The l05 truck will walk all over the 4.8 truck stock for stock.


stock for stock the tbi owns the geniii 4.8/5.3 until about 40 mph. L31 vortec also owns the 4.8/5.3 owns until about 60 mph.

As for me, i dumped chevrolet and went the way of the hemi. If hptuners would just get off their butt and give us ecm and tcm controls that actually worked the way they should they could run all over a lsx with the same mods.


my tbi was never truly stock. I have always had tri-y headers, 1.6:1 rockers, an aftermaket intake, and some form of tuning done to it. With that done, i was always over the 220 hp/300tq mark at the tires, even with the stock longblock.

I always liked the way my 350 tbi could pull long grades at lower rpm than the gen iii counterpart.


just want to add to the ls vs gen 1 arguement. About two months ago i put my buddy in my new truck and i was in my old truck. We ran from a dead stop and i left him untill about 45 mph, then the 06 (it has an l33) ran me down and passed. These trucks both have 3.73 gears and same size tires. I drive both trucks all the time and though i like the little extra power of the new truck, i prefer the instant tq output of my tbi pos.


i can atest that my truck with the mods i have will outrun a 5.3 truck with exhaust and intake....till about 40 mph like stated above then its over. Both trucks had same gears, tires, tranny.


toss a little bigger roller cam in the tbi and top it with a single plane intake manifold, it will have the same low-end jump and leave the l33 in the dust.

[whitelightnin92]

those two posts i made were simply stating what my(and others) lightly modded tbi will do and stating the ammount of lowend TQ they put out compared to other engines. regardless this is not the place to get your pannies in a bunch about the almighty ls engine. it wouldve been fine but noone knows when to quit

[Zero260]

those two posts i made were simply stating what my(and others) lightly modded tbi will do and stating the ammount of lowend TQ they put out compared to other engines. regardless this is not the place to get your pannies in a bunch about the almighty ls engine. it wouldve been fine but noone knows when to quit

Are you fkn serious? So you're not arguing, you're comparing? LOL! This is too much.

I think the only uptight people sub'd to this thread are the tbi fanboys. I stated my position. Just here calling out a$$ speak, ignorance and blantant lies. Still genuinely interested in what people improving the performance of their tbi engines are running.

45 posts ago, 46 including this one, on March 13th, 2011 a post was added regarding the orginal topic of this thread.

Wait I'll break the streak. My '88 L05 rcsb (which I no longer own) ran a 16.3 @ 85ish in 1996 at houston raceway park (now royal purple raceway). Had an off brand chip and a terminator muffler. They were on it, when I got it. Probably did d!ck for performance. I swapped h/c/i on it in 2000, had the 350 rebuilt and ran a tci stall converter. Have no idea what it would do in the 1/4 after those mods.

[Fast305]

Do I believe numbers that are in this thread from Cancritter and Fast 305..... maybe. Fast 305 no because he has proven time and time again he is a compulsive liar with a problem. Cancritter who knows....... desk top dyno makes some fairly absurd number up, and 500 lb ft from a .040" 350...... I dunno about that.


I am going to a Victor Jr 4bbl intake and TBI on the Van again. Along with 4.56s in the rear-end and some sticky rubber. I should have it running next fall and this time around it will weigh around 4,500-4,600 lbs with driver (always ran it with a full conversion interior before. Should be interesting. Hoping to be well into the 8s in the 1/8 mile with a single production 454 TBI. I also have a dual stage N20 plate unit to setup on it to really make it run. But need to do an 80E swap before I do that.

[Jameslleary]

I remember a time when nobody worried about how fast a TRUCK was, but if it could get the job done.
I am happy with my 396 ft lbs of torque(originally 285)... Ready to pull if I need it.

[gmc406]

I say f**K it and lets go for a beer!

OOO that would taste good right now!

[Jameslleary]

I say f**K it and lets go for a beer!

OOO that would taste good right now!

Agreed, a 33* beer would go great with this 85* weather!

[Fast305]

Agreed, a 33* beer would go great with this 85* weather!

Only 85*F!!!! Its 101* and 32% humidity here, with a 105*F heat index in the shade. Ice cold beer sounds awesome about now.

[RHerron68]

I have a 1995 GMC Tornado GT. Its a Dealer upgrade to a 6.2L L98 Motor, w/Alum 58cc Vette Heads, 10.8:1 CR, 670 cfm TBI w/2" Throttles, Bored Performer TBI Intake, Crane Flat Tappet Cam, Lifters & Rockers, Hyperutectic Pistons, Scat Crank & Rods, Shorty Pace Perf. Headers, Modified 4L60E w/ Corvette servos, 8.5-32 spline Locking Diff w/3.73:1 R&P, 1" Sway Bar, Bilstein Shocks, Drop Shackles, Upgraded Leather Interior. I opted for chrome bumpers instead of the standard monochromatic body color bumpers and trim.

I have run a best 1/4 time of 14.5 @ 97 mph w/ 1.9-60'




http://youtu.be/LAHE4x6iL04

http://flic.kr/p/9U7UPh

[RHerron68]

Does anyone know how to make pics and videos work in the thread? I embeded, copied & pasted and nothing worked.

[StreetFreak]

I wear rolled up pants and high tops :dunno:

[Outlawz2004]

Does anyone know how to make pics and videos work in the thread? I embeded, copied & pasted and nothing worked.

I think you have to have 5 post now.

[gmc406]

Only 85*F!!!! Its 101* and 32% humidity here, with a 105*F heat index in the shade. Ice cold beer sounds awesome about now.

EEESH, I think we only hit 70* today. It was perfect, with no wind.

[gmc406]

RHerron68, that truck of yours reminds me of my Sierra ST. Mine has factory grey along the bottom like that, along with grey bumpers, painted mirrors, and grill. Did yours come factory with that paint? Your truck looks good btw.

However the ST's IIRC were only available in 90 and 91 and only in RCSB and RCSS. I've only ever seen 2 more like mine. All ST's had the grey paint and were only available in red,blue or black. You could get them with 4x4 but the 2x4 came with a posi 3.73. IIRC in 91 the need gauges and buckets were standard.

post #15
http://www.fullsizechevy.com/forum/general-discussion/technical-maintenance/306955-what-sierra-st.html

[RHerron68]

First off thank you. I was also very impressed with your videos as well. OK my truck is most likely one of a kind. I bought it new in 95 from a GMC Dealership which my Brother-in-Law was the Service Manager of. I liked the the 454 SS that Chevy offered for a few years as well as the Cylcone which I can"t remember its release date. As far as I know GMC offered a Sierra GT package from 93-96. That truck was sharp but mostly a cosmetic deal, with better tires and suspension but not much under the hood. So long story short, I checked out the options GM the Corp offered and I didn't care for them. You sound knowledgeable and I'm sure you recall the COPO, Yenko, Baldwin Motion and Calloway Dealer Super car options beginning in the late 60's. Sorta an insider deal like that Corp. GM could not and would not offer extreme performance mods but Dealerships still did in a limited way offer Performance add ons for the Corvette, Z28, etc. I was able to order a stock GT (w/o) monochromatic paint and from there the GMC Dealership was able to order and install parts available through the GM Performance Div. Parts Dept. and as long as the Parts were certified ACDelco/ GM Performance the Dealership could install these options.

I order the Stock ECSLT GT and Corvette Block and L98 Aluminum Heads, Standard 4.00 bore with a GMPP 3.75 Crank and Corvette 5.7 Rods. I wanted the Vette TPI but it was not compatable with the Truck ECU, so I had to go with the TBI. Cool thing is GMPP used Holley TBI for off road and heavy duty trucks, so the TBI I got was the same size as the 454 SS but with better injectors. I had to re-flash the ECU to work with the higher flow injectors. It was factory Rated as a 5.7 L98 310 hp. But with the 3.75 crank my B-I-L figured it was closer to 335 hp. The GT had bigger disc brakes, bigger sway bar, Bilstein Shocks BFG Tires so that was all good. I also opted for the Vette 4L60E and the GT came with a locking diff.

The paint scheme was simalar to yours, at that time the silver did not include the wheel arches, the Red band was factory. I opted for chrome bumbers, didn't care for the monochromatic look then, I love it now, lol. So it was listed as a GMC Tornado GT. It had the door decals but I painted over them because they were worn and no one re-made them.

In '07 I threw the main bearings so had to do a rebuild and at that time added a Crane Cam, Lifters & Rockers, Keith Black Pistons, The Edelbrock Performer intake and had to bore the engine .020 just to clean it up. Went with a double roller timing set and some custom machine work, IE de-bur, square deck, line hone, balance, etc. My engine guy broke it in on the dyno with a 750 vac secondary carb, because he wasn't set up for EFI. w/carb it was 415 hp and 440 ft/lbs. The TBI does choke the engine down to around 355 hp but the trq seems to have improved, guessing maybe 460-470 range.

I want to find some pics of the old decals and repaint it in full GT spectrum, have a sign shop remake those decals. I really need some new 454 SS wheels and a new SS 14 Bolt Diff w/ 4.10:1 R&P. I lost the orginal Dealer Build sheet but I had copies on my ols CPU which took a dump. I'm hoping to find someone who can lift the info from the old hard drive.. So thats about it. Oh yeah, had Harris Perf, aka TBI Chips burn me a new chip, so it runs better than ever. Those Dragtimes were before the rebuild, so hoping that I cut my ET down to high 13's, figures crossed, not sure if I can get there with TBI but I want to stay stockish since its a rare vehicle.

[gmc406]

HMMM. I'm not so sure that the TB is choking you down that much, that TB will flow 700cfm. I don't know what rpm you go too, but I bet your engine doesn't even use all the TB's flow potential.

Yes, your TBI will and can see 13's very easily. What is your altitiude? Myself, if I wanted to, I could put on a set of AFR 220's along with a custom roller, and a victor E intake. That would put me into the 11's very easily. It would be a bank fired injection, but it would still run on the TBI ECM.

That is a cool truck. What the heck is monochromatic paint?

[silverado_lover]

That is a cool truck. What the heck is monochromatic paint?

Been a long time since you took art in HS huh? Monochromatic as in everything the same color aka color matched

[RHerron68]

I have seen some GMC ST's at truck shows in Indiana, they were Black & silver two tone rockers and a red Monte Carlo SS type stripe. I have a special Dealer Option Sierra Tornado GT. It was ordered as a GT less the painted bumbers. I special ordered mine through a local GMC/ Caddilac Dealer, and oh by the way my Brother-in-Law was the service manager so I had some inside info that the public was not made prievy. I ordered special engine modes from GMPD and GMPP (General Motors Performance Division and General Motors Performance Parts) I orded the Stock GT and added the Corvette Block & L98 Aluminum heads and a 3.75 GMPP Crankshaft. Had to special order a Holley 454 TBI w/ higher flow injectors which was used on 1+ ton vehicles. Mine came with Bilstien Shocks, Heavy Duty Sway Bar, 14 Bolt Locking Diff w/ 3.73's, bigger brakes, large chrome aircleaner, BFG T/A Radials, 15x9 454 SS Chrome wheels. I added the the Corvette 4L60E with heavier servos and better shift characteristics. Wanted the Vette TPI induction System but was not compatable with Trucks ECU. Also ordered it with short tube headers, 3" single into dual exhaust, AC and EGR Delete (off road apps only). Mine came with a two tone Green and silver paint scheme and Tornado GT decals on the lower doors, was listed as a 6.2L EFI (without crank would have been a 5.7L). I have had to repaint the bottom half of truck after being hit in a parking zone by a nut job. Could not find the Tornado GT decals anywhere. Thinking about finding some old pics and having a sign shop re-print them for me. All my pics and the dealer build sheet were on my old laptop which is out of order. Need to find someone who can recover my info from the old hard drive.

I like how your truck looks and runs, you should think about repainting it with the factory scheme and decals too. Like mine yours is very rare..

[RHerron68]

If anyone knows where I can find some pics of GMC Tornado Decals, so I can get them repopped, please let me know or send me a link to the pics. I know what they looked like but don't know the font or dimensions...

[gmc406]

I agree, I need new paint. I just thought about it and realized its 20 years old this year. Right now I'm trying to decided if I should play with the engine or put new paint on her. I would go back to the factory paint code and put decals back on where they belong. I too had factory decals on the doors once.

Have you tried LMC for parts?

[RHerron68]

Monochromatic paint is where bumpers, grills, mirrors, etc are painted same color or colors as the body. Like your ST has a monochromatic paint scheme.

What induction are you running on your ST now?

When I did the engine rebuild after spinning the bearings, I went with a Cam with a similar grind as the 94-95 T/A Trans Am. Hard to remember exactly but I think it was .212/.218 and .440/.454 @ .050. Stayed with the flat tappet lifters and Crane (non roller) steel rockers and stock Vette rated springs. When adding the extra stroke from the 3.75 crank my RPM's stay under 5500 rpm, when I had TBI Chips burn my new ECM I had him set the rev limit to 5500 and I also had him set the shifts in a different configuration than a Vette because the truck weighs 5150 lbs and needs to shift sooner than a lighter car would, to keep the torque band in the ideal range. I'm sure w/ the Scat Crank, Rods and ARP fastners I could go 6000-6200 w/o issue. I have a video of a 0-100 mph run, (had to roll out to 30 mph to keep from spinning the wheels off) and in this video the RPM's never hit 5000. Now this was before the rebuild and I had already spun the bearings and had no real oil pressure and wasn't at full throttle, more like 3/4. I knew the engine was hurt after seeing the video and noticing the oil pressure never went past 40 psi. The engine at that point was tired, had 140,000 miles. Also that video at the drag strip was before the rebuild. I haven't been to the track since, I got a performance meter that attaches to the windshield and it has shown promising numbers but I wont rely on those, need real time slips. Need to find a good 4L80E because my 60E is tired too. Don't think it coulod handle a 100 mph romp right now.

[gmc406]

I'm running that stupid Edelbrock MPFI conversion kit with a Holley 670 TB. Ya I know, I was young and dumb when I bought it, TBI would suit me fine still. I did knock off 4 tenths in the 1/4 on my 350 though(stock TB at that time), even still running the stock chip.

[RHerron68]

I had looked into that set up but from what ppl told me it was limited to a low HP rating too. Sounds like its working for you though. How did you get to 406 cid? Did you reduce weight a lot, to get into the high 12's low 13's? Did you have to get a new tune after Edelbrock sent you thier chip, bigger injectors? When I called them and said I wanted to go with the MPI they said they couldn't flash the chip for a 6.2 (381 cid). If my truck wasn't so rare, I would love to go with a FAST MPI and a 4bbl throttle body. I guess I still could, just have to hold on to the original GMPP parts...

[RHerron68]

Hey do you know if the stock ECM can be programed to run 4 injectors, like the Accel set up?

[RHerron68]

Don't know if this video will work on here but this is my last 1320 run before I spun those bearings. This was a modified Supercharged Avanti that I had the miss fortune of lining up to. He ran a 13.? and I was a good second behind him at the traps. In fact I beat this was the weekend that contributed to my engine going, lol!


http://youtu.be/LAHE4x6iL04

[RHerron68]

My truck at idle...


http://youtu.be/itOT84LihOs

[RHerron68]

Here is the Part Throttle 0-100 mph in my 5150 lb GMC EC. I had to roll out to about 30 mph to avoid serious tire spin and the engine was hurt as you can see by the low oil psi. Again NOT a full throttle run and the stock GMPP 6.2L had 140,000 miles at this time.


http://youtu.be/M6hL8aku4-8

[Fast305]

Hey do you know if the stock ECM can be programed to run 4 injectors, like the Accel set up?

The TBI PCM will run 4 MPFI style PEAK AND HOLD injectors beautifully without touching it (2.2 S10 used this setup). Just adjust the injector size constants and start tuning. You will likely need to run a 1:1 linkage on the secondary side of the throttle body.

[RHerron68]

Yes, LMC has had a lot of what I needed as well as Classic Industries. LMC has the 'SIERRA GT' decal but not the 'Tornado GT' I know the dimentions would be the same and the 'GT' would work too but the 'Tornado' portion was slanted and kinda fuzzy like if it was in the middle of heavy winds. Plus there was a little twister logo on there too.

[RHerron68]

Great info, thank you very much. I do not tune but can always fall back on TBIchips.com (Harris Performance) he has burned a few chips for me...

[RHerron68]

Which (4) quad injector systems would work the best without to much fabrication and excessive programing? I know Accel, Holley, Edelbrock, FAST all have 4bbl (quad) injected set ups.

[gmc406]

I had looked into that set up but from what ppl told me it was limited to a low HP rating too. Sounds like its working for you though. How did you get to 406 cid? Did you reduce weight a lot, to get into the high 12's low 13's? Did you have to get a new tune after Edelbrock sent you thier chip, bigger injectors? When I called them and said I wanted to go with the MPI they said they couldn't flash the chip for a 6.2 (381 cid). If my truck wasn't so rare, I would love to go with a FAST MPI and a 4bbl throttle body. I guess I still could, just have to hold on to the original GMPP parts...

It's a 400 block bored 0.030, that's 4.155x3.75. The only wieght reduction I did was remove the spare tire and put on a roll pan. Everything else is stock except for the 2/4drop kit. Edelbrock never sent me a chip. I installed the kit one evening and then went to the strip that weekend before I could get my custom chip from Wester's Garage.

The kit was suppose to be for low hp, I agree. I'm actually still running the stock 19lb/hr injectors that the kit came with. They say they're only good for ~330hp but I know I've got a lot more than that. I have know idea how he did but it he did. In fact he told me I'm good for another 50hp. Fast 305, any ideas how?

[RHerron68]

Impressed but shocked that you can run that fast at mostly full weight. What heads, valve train (cam, lifters, rockers) etc. are you running. You said you have 3.73:1 diff., do you have a 4L60E or a 700R4 or a 4L80E (shift kit, Perf. Servos) Maybe an S10 converter? Do you know what the truck plus driver weighs? I'm guessing you are running 26 or 28" slicks, so that probably changes your final ratio to something like a 3.90:1. Sorry about all the questions, its just I am very intrested in how you got it to run like a raped ape?

[87_305]

He got someone to tune it in person. Mail order chips are only going to do so much. With a 383 you should be doing much better than a 14.5. There are people here with tbi 350s running in the 13s.

[Outlawz2004]

Here is the Part Throttle 0-100 mph in my 5150 lb GMC EC. I had to roll out to about 30 mph to avoid serious tire spin and the engine was hurt as you can see by the low oil psi. Again NOT a full throttle run and the stock GMPP 6.2L had 140,000 miles at this time.


http://youtu.be/M6hL8aku4-8


Wow, thats sloooooowwwwwww.

[RHerron68]

Wow, thats sloooooowwwwwww.

Which part of PART THROTTLE and wounded engine and 30 mph roll out didn't you understand? If your not gunna bother to read the statments that go with the video then don't leave an ignorant comment. Its was obviously part throttle since the RPMs barely made it past 4000.

Have you ever heard the statement, " If you don't have anything good to say.....!"

[gmc406]

He got someone to tune it in person. Mail order chips are only going to do so much. With a 383 you should be doing much better than a 14.5. There are people here with tbi 350s running in the 13s.
I you're refering to me, yes, I got it tuned on the dyno. I was very impressed with Lyndon. First, when I installed the engine for the first time, he sent me a chip to get me by. The chip we almost perfect right from the start. The only problem I had was stalling when I put it in gear. It was running a little lean in the idle. When I stuck it on his dyno, he first fattened up the idle before he even did a pull. After 30 min and 3 more chips he had it dialed in. It was running a little fat in the top end and he added some timing. I think we only ended up picking up 9 rwhp, that's how close he had it.

[silverado_lover]

" If you don't have anything good to say.....!"

Here on FSC we don't abide by that rule

[gmc406]

Impressed but shocked that you can run that fast at mostly full weight. What heads, valve train (cam, lifters, rockers) etc. are you running. You said you have 3.73:1 diff., do you have a 4L60E or a 700R4 or a 4L80E (shift kit, Perf. Servos) Maybe an S10 converter? Do you know what the truck plus driver weighs? I'm guessing you are running 26 or 28" slicks, so that probably changes your final ratio to something like a 3.90:1. Sorry about all the questions, its just I am very intrested in how you got it to run like a raped ape?

I'm running Edelbrock performers with a built 700r-4 and a 2400 stall(rated, but it flashes to ~2800 out of the hole). I think she wieghs ~4200 with me, but I'm not 100%sure on that. I have 28x11.50 Mickey Thopmson ET Streets.

The heads suck SH!T, it runs out of air by 5350rpm when the cam is good to make power to just under 6000. So, you can see how a decent set of heads would wake it up. I had the heads from my 350, so I decided to run them. The rotating assembly costed me more than what I wanted and didn't leave much room for better heads.

[gmc406]

Here is the Part Throttle 0-100 mph in my 5150 lb GMC EC. I had to roll out to about 30 mph to avoid serious tire spin and the engine was hurt as you can see by the low oil psi. Again NOT a full throttle run and the stock GMPP 6.2L had 140,000 miles at this time.


http://youtu.be/M6hL8aku4-8

Ya, I could tell that wasn't WOT, I figured by the low RPM shift. I could also see the low oil press at the start of the vid. It almost sounded like you got into it a little harder at the end of the run?

[Outlawz2004]

Which part of PART THROTTLE and wounded engine and 30 mph roll out didn't you understand? If your not gunna bother to read the statments that go with the video then don't leave an ignorant comment. Its was obviously part throttle since the RPMs barely made it past 4000.

Have you ever heard the statement, " If you don't have anything good to say.....!"
have you ever heard its a public forum and anyone can post comments whether positive or negative. Its slow, you were in it as hard as it would go, there was no massive wheel spin, that was not a 30 roll and get on it, and it was shifting at 4500 rpms. Thats about what, a 25 second 0-100. Got any video of it running that 14.5 or a time slip. I know you say its "hurt" but and extra 10 seconds to run 3 more mph than your 1/4 mile mph? And why would you video a "hurt" run and not when it was running good. I believe its running full out in the video but you feel the need to make excuses for your tbi. Sorry but thats my opinion. Dont get upset by it.

[Badass69]

have you ever heard its a public forum and anyone can post comments whether positive or negative. Its slow, you were in it as hard as it would go, there was no massive wheel spin, that was not a 30 roll and get on it, and it was shifting at 4500 rpms. Thats about what, a 25 second 0-100. Got any video of it running that 14.5 or a time slip. I know you say its "hurt" but and extra 10 seconds to run 3 more mph than your 1/4 mile mph? And why would you video a "hurt" run and not when it was running good. I believe its running full out in the video but you feel the need to make excuses for your tbi. Sorry but thats my opinion. Dont get upset by it.


Don't know if this video will work on here but this is my last 1320 run before I spun those bearings. This was a modified Supercharged Avanti that I had the miss fortune of lining up to. He ran a 13.? and I was a good second behind him at the traps. In fact I beat this was the weekend that contributed to my engine going, lol!


http://youtu.be/LAHE4x6iL04

If you watch that video it's pretty clear he is running a lot harder than a stock TBI 350. The Studebaker is running low 13's ( multiple videos of that car on youtube) and his truck is not that far behind him. The 0-100 mph video is slow but it seems to be as the OP says to me........ part throttle.

[gmc406]

13.00 dial in. That my 2 year old son at the beginning, LOL
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll413/gmc406/th_Picture307.jpg (http://s314.photobucket.com/albums/ll413/gmc406/?action=view&current=Picture307.mp4)

[RHerron68]

He got someone to tune it in person. Mail order chips are only going to do so much. With a 383 you should be doing much better than a 14.5. There are people here with tbi 350s running in the 13s.

Its not really a 383 since it was a 4.00" bore with a 3.75" stroke and 5.7" rods. More like a 378 or somewhere in that range. Please remember this was on the orginal 140,000 mile engine, with GM cam and no professional re-tune. This was the last time I recorded before I spun the main bearings and rebuilt the engine. I have yet to run this truck at the Dragstrip since the rebuild. My old tired and weak 4L60E is in need of some TLC before I take her on a 1320' mad dash. I'm also pretty sure that my CR was way down due to ware and I know the oil pressure was very low so the engine wasn't at peak performance.

Don't know if you read the other post but after I spun the main bearings; I had the engine professionally rebuilt with all the machining work ie: Bore .020, square deck, line hone, de-bur, balance, degree cam, etc. Also bumped the CR from the stock 10:1 to 10.8:1 with a head mill and thinner head gasket. Also since then I have changed from 30" tall tires to 26" which helped my final gear ratio. I also added a Bored out Edelbrock Performer TBI intake, a bigger cam and a TBIchips tune. Oh yeah those track numbers were with the stock Cat Converter, that to has been removed since the rebuild..

Like I said, I'm a bit apprehensive about really driving it too hard on the old tranny and worn u-joints. I have however made some passes with a performance (g-meter) and as much as I don't like to rely on those numbers or make them public but I will for the sake of this thread.

Beltronics Vector FX1 Performance Timer

0-10 mph 0.42 sec
0-20 mph 1.32 sec
60 ft 1.82 sec
330 ft 5.52 sec
1/8 mile 8.20 sec @ 78.2 mph
1000 ft 12.27 sec
1/4 mile 13.87 sec @ 99.5 mph
Max speed 107.7 mph
Peak HP 389 @ 54 mph

Not real sure how accurate these meters are so take these numbers for what they are...

[Badass69]

Its not really a 383 since it was a 4.00" bore with a 3.75" stroke and 5.7" rods. More like a 378 or somewhere in that range. Please remember this was on the orginal 140,000 mile engine, with GM cam and no professional re-tune. This was the last time I recorded before I spun the main bearings and rebuilt the engine. I have yet to run this truck at the Dragstrip since the rebuild. My old tired and weak 4L60E is in need of some TLC before I take her on a 1320' mad dash. I'm also pretty sure that my CR was way down due to ware and I know the oil pressure was very low so the engine wasn't at peak performance.

Don't know if you read the other post but after I spun the main bearings; I had the engine professionally rebuilt with all the machining work ie: Bore .020, square deck, line hone, de-bur, balance, degree cam, etc. Also bumped the CR from the stock 10:1 to 10.8:1 with a head mill and thinner head gasket. Also since then I have changed from 30" tall tires to 26" which helped my final gear ratio. I also added a Bored out Edelbrock Performer TBI intake, a bigger cam and a TBIchips tune.

Like I said, I'm a bit apprehensive about really driving it too hard on the old tranny and worn u-joints. I have however made some passes with a performance (g-meter) and as much as I don't like to rely on those numbers or make them public but I will for the sake of this thread.

Beltronics Vector FX1 Performance Timer

0-10 mph 0.42 sec
0-20 mph 1.32 sec
60 ft 1.82 sec
330 ft 5.52 sec
1/8 mile 8.20 sec @ 78.2 mph
1000 ft 12.27 sec
1/4 mile 13.87 sec @ 99.5 mph
Max speed 107.7 mph
Peak HP 389 @ 54 mph

Not real sure how accurate these meters are so take these numbers for what they are...

A G tech isn't bad. I ran one in my SRT8 Charger at the strip. The MPH was off but the actual ET was within less than a tenth compared to the dragstrips clock and usually so close to bang on it was usually out only in the hundreths. They work not too bad. Get a real tune as mentioned and a tranny with a stall speed that is more suited and you should be good.

[RHerron68]

I forgot to mention the first 14.5 run was with the stock Tq converter and with the stock 15 year old Cat Converter. That 14.5 run is bone stock with only Dealer Performance options and 140,000 miles. Even at that those numbers are as good as the orginal Non Supercharged Ford Lightning and Turbo Charged Buick Grand National. Most of the young people on here don't realize that most of the most popular muscle cars for the 60's and 70's in stock form only ran in the 14 sec range.

I heard an S10 Tq Converter works well in these trucks. Is this your experiance as well?

Whats wrong with the Harris Performance (TBIchips.com) Tune?

[RHerron68]

A lot of people who read this thread not everyone but some don't understand that this truck ran a 14.5 second 1/4 mile and was bone stock with only dealer performance options. Still had the Cat Converter and factory tune. I'm pretty sure the stock 454 SS and GMC Cyclone and the GMC Sierra GT and Ford Lightning (90's Model not the supercharged modern version) in stock form did not run in the mid 14's..... Heck, I don't think the Supercharged Ford lightning ran much better than low 14's on street tires..

So who ever reads this thread please remember these facts. At the time in the '90s this truck was one of the fastest out there. Now days with Multi Point EFI and turbo's, superchargers, high tech stuff 14's sound slow.

Keep it Era Specific...

[Badass69]

It's just an email can only give you so much is all and then this being an OBD 1 situation and all. Brian has a colored history on the net so in truth and reality I don't know what he is like as I have never had him tune any of my stuff. I have had good luck with PCM for Less but on an LT1 Caprice. That said I would really try and get someone to dial yours in on a dyno, but that's just me. Stockish stuff is fine for email only but once you get a stroker with modified induction unless you can provide really good datalogs I don't think you are getting much bang for your buck.

Stall speed..... what do you need I guess. An S10 convertor nets you somewhere in the 2600 rpm range. It works great in a stock truck, but yours doesn't really classify as stock. That said you seem to have a small enough cam it should be making decent low end torque and then that should be all you really need. With more power it might even flash higher than 2600, I don't know.

[RHerron68]

Here on FSC we don't abide by that rule

I hear ya, lol! I guess I'm an old man who's parents taught some manors and common courtesy.. My Bad!

[RHerron68]

It's just an email can only give you so much is all and then this being an OBD 1 situation and all. Brian has a colored history on the net so in truth and reality I don't know what he is like as I have never had him tune any of my stuff. I have had good luck with PCM for Less but on an LT1 Caprice. That said I would really try and get someone to dial yours in on a dyno, but that's just me. Stockish stuff is fine for email only but once you get a stroker with modified induction unless you can provide really good datalogs I don't think you are getting much bang for your buck.
stall speed..... what do you need I guess. An S10 convertor nets you somewhere in the 2600 rpm range. It works great in a stock truck, but yours doesn't really classify as stock. That said you seem to have a small enough cam it should be making decent low end torque and then that should be all you really need. With more power it might even flash higher than 2600, I don't know.

Not familar with PCM is this a tuner, if so where are they located? I live in Indiana and don't know anyone close enough with a dyno who tunes OBD1's

[87_305]

A lot of people who read this thread not everyone but some don't understand that this truck ran a 14.5 second 1/4 mile and was bone stock with only dealer performance options. Still had the Cat Converter and factory tune. I'm pretty sure the stock 454 SS and GMC Cyclone and the GMC Sierra GT and Ford Lightning (90's Model not the supercharged modern version) in stock form did not run in the mid 14's..... Heck, I don't think the Supercharged Ford lightning ran much better than low 14's on street tires..

So who ever reads this thread please remember these facts. At the time in the '90s this truck was one of the fastest out there. Now days with Multi Point EFI and turbo's, superchargers, high tech stuff 14's sound slow.

Keep it Era Specific...

A stroked 350 with a 454 TB and aluminum l98 heads isn't stock. It doesn't matter if it came from the dealer like that or not. Your truck came from the factory with a L05 engine and heavy duty suspension. I could go to the F**D dealer and get a new mustang and have them install half of the frpp catalog but that doesn't mean it's stock.

[silverado_lover]

So who ever reads this thread please remember these facts. At the time in the '90s this truck was one of the fastest out there. Now days with Multi Point EFI and turbo's, superchargers, high tech stuff 14's sound slow.

Keep it Era Specific...

Yeah 16 years ago this trucks were quick but...this isn't 16 years ago. IMO MPFI is the way to go mo powa and better gas mileage.

[RHerron68]

If you watch that video it's pretty clear he is running a lot harder than a stock TBI 350. The Studebaker is running low 13's ( multiple videos of that car on youtube) and his truck is not that far behind him. The 0-100 mph video is slow but it seems to be as the OP says to me........ part throttle.

Thank you sir, you are a gentleman and a scholar.

I deleted this portion of this message because, I was acting like an idiot. I flew off the handle at someone when I shouldn't have. I appologized to him in a later post. I aslo appologize to anyone else who may have been offended. It will not happen again.

Again thanks for posting my Drag video vs the Supercharged Avanti and for your educated opinion..

[87_305]

do you guys even understand simple mechanics, do you know what a stroker motor is? Its seems you all think a stroker is some Super High Performance Race Engine. It is a simple small block Chevy bored .030 with a 3.75" stroked crankshaft. it only has 5.7" rods and you can stroke anything a TBI, a carbed engine, a lown mower engine. All that stroking does is make the Piston go about 1/4" higer and a 1/4" deeper in the cylinder. Sorry but I think I know what my own engine is.
Wrong. If the pistons went 1/4" higher in the bore they would strike the cylinder head.


All you ppl with the negative comments. Read before you post. This was PART THROTTLE w/30 mph roll out on frozen winter roads with 500 lbs of sand bags in the bed. So 6200 lb truck in winter also at that time it had Swirl Port Smog Heads. Now it has L98 Alum Vette Heads a TBI Chips tune and runs the 1/4 mile in 13.3 @ 102 mph, with a 1.85: 60' time. Video is 3 yrs old. I will post some new one this summer from the drag strip.
Ummmm. I'm just curious about this because I thought you told us that you ordered it brand new with the aluminum L98 heads? Also the time you stated in this post is much faster than what you have in your sig. Lie much?

[Fast305]

Wrong. If the pistons went 1/4" higher in the bore they would strike the cylinder head.


Very correct in a simplified matter. The pistons actually have a longer travel, its just that it is deeper into the block via a piston with a different compression height.

[Outlawz2004]

Thank you sir, you are a gentleman and a scholar.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions as he pointed out and thats fine, just hate f***ers who think they know everything. How the hell would he now how hard I was running or what my engine specs are.. I see he is one of the children with small d*ck syndrome and should be avoided... Nuff said.

Again thanks for posting my Drag video vs the Supercharged Avanti and for your educated opinion..

I'm sorry, I thought you were raised with manners.LOL I watched the video, I race my truck, and that was no 30mph roll and get on it.You got on it fairly hard, it pulled decent to 60 and then it fell on its face, you just got on it from 0mph and you didnt get on it any harder at 30mph. I dont care what your engine specs are, I was commenting on the video YOU posted here and I said its slooooowwwwww.
You also state many times your truck has 140,000 miles on it, mine has 170,000 and runs harder than that video posted. For being an old man you sure are acting childish, calling names and getting upset.Not many people thought it was impressive in your youtube comments either. I am not a spring chicken myself just so you know.
And just to clarify, I am talking about the speedo shot, not the initial roll run in the beginning of the video.

[RHerron68]

Wrong. If the pistons went 1/4" higher in the bore they would strike the cylinder head.


Ummmm. I'm just curious about this because I thought you told us that you ordered it brand new with the aluminum L98 heads? Also the time you stated in this post is much faster than what you have in your sig. Lie much?

I was describing a Stroker in general not mine because mine was not even bored at that time, when was that posted '05 or '06 and i meant a total of a 1/4 inch I see the type-o now that you pointed it out...

Mine was ordered with a standard 4.00 bore and had a GMPP 3.75 Crank. I was using the generic '383' as that is what most people associate with a stroker motor. When I rebuilt my engine it was bored .020 over with a new Scat 3.75 Crank, same block and Scat 5.7 Rods.

[Outlawz2004]

Wrong. If the pistons went 1/4" higher in the bore they would strike the cylinder head.


Ummmm. I'm just curious about this because I thought you told us that you ordered it brand new with the aluminum L98 heads? Also the time you stated in this post is much faster than what you have in your sig. Lie much?
The heads, the trucks weight, the track times,you mph in your sig dropped to 96, a lot of wishy washy stuff. Things keep changing.

[RHerron68]

I'm sorry, I thought you were raised with manners.LOL I watched the video, I race my truck, and that was no 30mph roll and get on it.You got on it fairly hard, it pulled decent to 60 and then it fell on its face, you just got on it from 0mph and you didnt get on it any harder at 30mph. I dont care what your engine specs are, I was commenting on the video YOU posted here and I said its slooooowwwwww.
You also state many times your truck has 140,000 miles on it, mine has 170,000 and runs harder than that video posted. For being an old man you sure are acting childish, calling names and getting upset.Not many people thought it was impressive in your youtube comments either. I am not a spring chicken myself just so you know.
And just to clarify, I am talking about the speedo shot, not the initial roll run in the beginning of the video.

You are right and I am sorry about the name calling. You are wrong about the roll out. Watch the Drag race video you can clearly hear my tires bark when I shift into 2nd gear thats because I was at full throttle in that video.In the other video there is no chirpping tires because I wasn't on the throttle that hard when it hit 2nd gear. The video was not even meant as an acceleration video. I was trying to determine where the Tunner ' Harris Perf.' should set the shift points. I was data logging and video taping to have info to send to him before he did my re-tune after the rebuild. I could not find anything on there about swirl port heads, I know my son had a bad habbit of getting on my CPU at home and leaving wierd comments as a joke, he still does it on facebook and other sites. so not sure.

Bottom line, you are 100% right about me flying off the hook and it is a very childish thing and a poor example and again, I am very sorry for that portion of the post. Sincerely I am. I never used to get mad about stuff must be the testosterone treatments, guys my (maybe your age) tend to suffer from Low T and the synthetic gel does bring out some agression. I will be much more careful in the future to pause before typing. I did not join here to make enemies...

FYI, I do have a 2nd 95 GMC Sierra same color with junkyard stroked engine, same color, EC was going to use it as a parts truck but it was way to clean for that. That has swirl port heads on it..

[RHerron68]

A stroked 350 with a 454 TB and aluminum l98 heads isn't stock. It doesn't matter if it came from the dealer like that or not. Your truck came from the factory with a L05 engine and heavy duty suspension. I could go to the F**D dealer and get a new mustang and have them install half of the frpp catalog but that doesn't mean it's stock.

TRUE! Very true... My point is being missed however. I am not claiming to have a super fast truck by todays standards. 14's can be had by 4 cylinders these days. I was just browsing the Topic of 'Fast TBI Trucks' and thought I would post my ET's since that was what the thread was asking for.

[RHerron68]

Any post on here or any other site claiming 13 second 1/4 mile passes were or should be stated somewhere in the post that those numbers were from a dash mounted performance meter. Since the rebuild I have logged numbers in the 13's but I don't rely on those because I don't know how accurate those meters are. If I ever get my hard drive from my old computer salvaged I have all kinds of scanned time slips from Osceola dragway and I have scanned copies of the GMC Dealer build sheet for the GT. If this site will ever let me post pics I will show some of my 2nd 95 GMC that was going to be a parts truck but the body was just to darn clean to tear it apart.

That GMC was the same color but with those ugly JMC Conversion running boards like you'd see on a Van. That truck had a junk yard 383 with smoger (swirl port heads) and I may have posted pics or videos of that truck on some social networks. Been a very long time ago.

[RHerron68]

You are right and I am sorry about the name calling. You are wrong about the roll out. Watch the Drag race video you can clearly hear my tires bark when I shift into 2nd gear thats because I was at full throttle in that video.In the other video there is no chirpping tires because I wasn't on the throttle that hard when it hit 2nd gear. The video was not even meant as an acceleration video. I was trying to determine where the Tunner ' Harris Perf.' should set the shift points. I was data logging and video taping to have info to send to him before he did my re-tune after the rebuild. I could not find anything on there about swirl port heads, I know my son had a bad habbit of getting on my CPU at home and leaving wierd comments as a joke, he still does it on facebook and other sites. so not sure.

Bottom line, you are 100% right about me flying off the hook and it is a very childish thing and a poor example and again, I am very sorry for that portion of the post. Sincerely I am. I never used to get mad about stuff must be the testosterone treatments, guys my (maybe your age) tend to suffer from Low T and the synthetic gel does bring out some agression. I will be much more careful in the future to pause before typing. I did not join here to make enemies...

FYI, I do have a 2nd 95 GMC Sierra same color with junkyard stroked engine, same color, EC was going to use it as a parts truck but it was way to clean for that. That has swirl port heads on it..

Brain had asked me to send data logs with part throttle so he could see where the truck was at before the engine rebuild. He also thought it would be helpful to see and hear how the truck was sounding, thats why there were also several videos of the truck at idle with different fuel pressure settings. At that time youtube was the easiest way to upload long videos and was easy to find with a link. Everyone jumped on the video, assuming it was a speed test and display of acceration characteristics, which it was never intended to be. I knew the truck wasn't right and had made arrangemnts for the rebuild and I had sent Brain the order for a new chip to match the new cam, CR, etc.

If you'll notice it was the middle of winter and you know how cold roads are not good for traction. If I had jumped on it hard at 0 mph it would have spun the tires very hard. There was zero tire spin at the launch and zero tire chirp when shifting from 1st to 2nd gear. Unlike the dragrace video. Which by the way was not shot be me or anyone for me, the guy in the Avanti had the video shot and I found it on youtube.

[DarkCharisma]

I have owned and worked on a carbed 350, 383, TBI 350, a 5.3L LM7 and a 6.0L LQ4. The LQ4 and LM7 whipped around the same trailer that the TBI 350/700R4/3.73's was wheezing to pull (it had 90k original miles on it, too). The LS-based trucks were also lifted running oversized tires.

Yes, the TBI-fueled 350's pull well; yes, they're respectable haulers and feel "torquey" with the low power band; no, they're not more suitable than a 5.3L or 6.0L for pulling loads (unless we're talking 454, then we'll have to pull out the 8.1). Why? Because they have less torque and a narrower band in which to use that torque. I find myself having to accelerate from a roll far more often with a trailer than from a stop--which only happens when leaving a gas station on the way to the lake, it's much better being able to mash the pedal at 65MPH and not have it wheeze through 2nd and 3rd and OD trying to find some way to accelerate.

Anyway, when ya'll are done swinging your purses, drop your gasoline for diesel, and forget this petty argument. :looking:

[RHerron68]

Diesel is truely the new power for trucks. That Banks Diesel Powered S10 a few years back was running in the 7 second range in the 1/4 mile. They run really clean these days an take very little modifications to make them scary quick. I've seen huge 4x4's and One Tons at the dragstrip running 11's and those trucks had to weigh 6500+. If I were rich I would build a nice diesel street-strip truck.. Torque is BMOT.

[DarkCharisma]

Diesel is truely the new power for trucks. That Banks Diesel Powered S10 a few years back was running in the 7 second range in the 1/4 mile. They run really clean these days an take very little modifications to make them scary quick. I've seen huge 4x4's and One Tons at the dragstrip running 11's and those trucks had to weigh 6500+. If I were rich I would build a nice diesel street-strip truck.. Torque is BMOT.

I was blown away with how fast my stock-ish '04 is. I am still shocked how fast people can get these f*ckers to go.

Honestly, I respect and enjoy all things fast... from imports, to boats, to motorcycles to trucks with TBI fueling systems. I for one would like to see some more fast TBI's in this thread. :cheer:

[whitelightnin92]

if you guys will give me a couple months i will post the times of my 383 im gonna build. the 350 has a valvetrain issue(collapsed lifter or wiped lobe i think) and also has pretty low oil pressure so i dont expect it to live much longer plus the fact it has a good bit of blow by that it never had before. im building a 383 whenever it decides to let go. im hoping i can pick up a 350 vortec or 350tbi forsale at next weeks car show. if so, i will start on it. according to camquest it should be around 400hp/480tq(with stock vortecs) i may have them ported or install some fast burns for a little more hp cause the vortecs in stock form restrict it to around 400horse, cant really make any more than that. so it should push my 5500 lb truck into the 14s. i really want to build a 400 but i dont trust any of those old blocks and aint dropping 2grand on a new block

[whitelightnin92]

and these new diesels are in a category of their own. simply insane

[RHerron68]

if you guys will give me a couple months i will post the times of my 383 im gonna build. the 350 has a valvetrain issue(collapsed lifter or wiped lobe i think) and also has pretty low oil pressure so i dont expect it to live much longer plus the fact it has a good bit of blow by that it never had before. im building a 383 whenever it decides to let go. im hoping i can pick up a 350 vortec or 350tbi forsale at next weeks car show. if so, i will start on it. according to camquest it should be around 400hp/480tq(with stock vortecs) i may have them ported or install some fast burns for a little more hp cause the vortecs in stock form restrict it to around 400horse, cant really make any more than that. so it should push my 5500 lb truck into the 14s. i really want to build a 400 but i dont trust any of those old blocks and aint dropping 2grand on a new block

Are you talking about doing this in your '92? Don't know what all would be involved but have you ever considered an LS swap? The new tech really lends itself to huge HP.

[silverado_lover]

LS swap FTMFGDW

[StreetFreak]

Thow a dodge small block in there :looking:

[Badass69]

Thow a dodge small block in there :looking:

Lol, I honestly was considering for a long period of time of swapping a 6.1 Hemi and NAG1 tranny into my 94 just to pi$$ diehard GM clowns off. :looking:

Truthfully if the tuning was to the level GM and Ford have, I would!

[Fast305]

Lol, I honestly was considering for a long period of time of swapping a 6.1 Hemi and NAG1 tranny into my 94 just to pi$$ diehard GM clowns off. :looking:

Truthfully if the tuning was to the level GM and Ford have, I would!

Cammed 6.1 running MegaSquirt with a 4,000 Stalled/Braked 727 behind it would FLY. If thats not enough toss on a KenneBelle liquid cooled monster.

http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/engine/hrdp_1005_6_1l_hemi_supercharger_engine_build/index.html

[RHerron68]

The heads, the trucks weight, the track times,you mph in your sig dropped to 96, a lot of wishy washy stuff. Things keep changing.

Sorry I am not following all of what you are saying? I'm bit confussed to what you are refering. My 1/4 mile track mph in my sig. was listed at 97 before I edited it recently and now it is 96, the actual number was 96.987 which I rounded up to 97 just to simplifiy then I though about how it really wasn't 97 until it clicked over to 97 so I rounded down to 96.

I have never said the truck weight on this forum that I recall? (Oh maybe in my profile I did) 5150 lbs w/ Driver. I have 2 same basic model trucks, a 95 GMC Sierra ECSS with a JMC Conversion (it has those weird Van Style running boards and is one solid color green, no two tone) That truck was bought as a parts truck because it had a junk yard 383 that wasn't running when I bought it. The body was so clean I desided not to part it out. I took the wheels and tires, bug shield and fake hood louvers and a few other small items and installed them onto my 2nd GMC Tornado GT. The JMC Conversion with air and all the smog stuff and all the body mods, spare tire, etc. weighs a lot more than the Tornado GT, it has swirl port heads and all that junk, but I have never posted anything about that truck before now. Not sure what you mean by 'Heads'?

The other thing, the only other post I made on here about ET's was the other day in response to a question. The numbers I posted were not track numbers and I made it very clear in that post that they were from a dash mounted perf. meter taken after the engine rebuild. The numbers in my Sig were actual Drag Strip Numbers and were before the engine rebuild. I haven't ran the truck at the Dragstrip since the rebuild. So I'm just not sure to what you are refering? Sorry!

If this site will ever allow me to post pics I will post some of both of my 95 GMC's. But just remember only one, the GT Tornado (Avatar Pic) is currently driveable, the other the JMC Conversion has a blown engine and is not driveable...

[whitelightnin92]

no ls swap here. too much time and money invested in the tbi setup. it still runs its ass of for being hurt. the average pickup dont want none.

[RHerron68]

no ls swap here. too much time and money invested in the tbi setup. it still runs its ass of for being hurt. the average pickup dont want none.

I am guessing you are talking about your 92 K1500, when you refer to a TBI set up? So is that basic stock 1/4 mile time of 16.024? Wonder how much more a K1500 weighs than a C1500? Do you have any TBI or engine mods on the 92 Model?

So you have a 92 K1500, a 69 C10 and a 2006 ECSB 5.3?

What engine does the 69 have in it?

[Outlawz2004]

Sorry I am not following all of what you are saying? I'm bit confussed to what you are refering. My 1/4 mile track mph in my sig. was listed at 97 before I edited it recently and now it is 96, the actual number was 96.987 which I rounded up to 97 just to simplifiy then I though about how it really wasn't 97 until it clicked over to 97 so I rounded down to 96.

I have never said the truck weight on this forum that I recall? (Oh maybe in my profile I did) 5150 lbs w/ Driver. I have 2 same basic model trucks, a 95 GMC Sierra ECSS with a JMC Conversion (it has those weird Van Style running boards and is one solid color green, no two tone) That truck was bought as a parts truck because it had a junk yard 383 that wasn't running when I bought it. The body was so clean I desided not to part it out. I took the wheels and tires, bug shield and fake hood louvers and a few other small items and installed them onto my 2nd GMC Tornado GT. The JMC Conversion with air and all the smog stuff and all the body mods, spare tire, etc. weighs a lot more than the Tornado GT, it has swirl port heads and all that junk, but I have never posted anything about that truck before now. Not sure what you mean by 'Heads'?

The other thing, the only other post I made on here about ET's was the other day in response to a question. The numbers I posted were not track numbers and I made it very clear in that post that they were from a dash mounted perf. meter taken after the engine rebuild. The numbers in my Sig were actual Drag Strip Numbers and were before the engine rebuild. I haven't ran the truck at the Dragstrip since the rebuild. So I'm just not sure to what you are refering? Sorry!

If this site will ever allow me to post pics I will post some of both of my 95 GMC's. But just remember only one, the GT Tornado (Avatar Pic) is currently driveable, the other the JMC Conversion has a blown engine and is not driveable...
I was just going to let it go, but for the sake of argument(LOL), you stated your truck weighs 5150 on here, but on youtube you state 6200lbs with 500lbs of sand bags after people stated your truck was slow. On here you stated that you ordered the truck special:" I orded the Stock GT and added the Corvette Block & L98 Aluminum heads" but on youtube you stated that you later added the heads, you stated it ran 14.5 at 97 here but then changed the mph to 96, and IIRC I saw on your video statements that it was running 13s. Last I tried to access the video it was set to private. I dont see how owning two different trucks comes into play, you shouldnt be confusing info from one to the other ,and fiberglass running boards dont weigh that much extra.

[93ChevyTBI]

I really don't know for sure but it sure seems like someone has been telling stories and is busted. jmho

[GreaseDog]

why don't you bring this truck over to play with my K1500? i'm in Dunlap, and actually drive by Osceola Dragway on my way to work every day. we'll see just how fast it is.

[GreaseDog]

judging from your Flickr pics, taken around Goshen, you're probably VERY close to me. i love the pic of the truck at the Old Bag Factory.

[Outlawz2004]

If the truck is currently in running condition, why not just make some new videos of it, 0-100 run will do, no excuses, just run it all out to the floor. I checked out the pictures, its a sharp truck.

[Outlawz2004]

A G tech isn't bad. I ran one in my SRT8 Charger at the strip. The MPH was off but the actual ET was within less than a tenth compared to the dragstrips clock and usually so close to bang on it was usually out only in the hundreths. They work not too bad. .
I bought two G techs to compare side by side before going to the track, one was over a second different than the other one, and neither one was anywhere close to actual track times. Did I get two duds, maybe but I dont put too much faith in them.

[Fast305]

I bought two G techs to compare side by side before going to the track, one was over a second different than the other one, and neither one was anywhere close to actual track times. Did I get two duds, maybe but I dont put too much faith in them.

My Superchips tuner gives a very accurate 1/4 mile ET and MPH as long as you don't spin. Once you spin its horribly off.

[RHerron68]

OK, I will have to take a look at youtube because I honestly don't remember when that 0-100 video was posted, it had to be 2006 or 07. About the same time maybe 6-8 months later my laptop got fried in a lightning storm and I never replaced it untill this past April, so 3.5 to 4 years.

During that entire time I have not been on the internet at all. I am disabled and mostly home bound since 2005. Anyhow back to the topic.. As soon as I got the new netbook I tried getting back on all the old sites I used to use; MySpace, Facebook, Photobucket etc. I found that my accounts had all been hacked because I was stupid enough to use the same name and password for every site. I have not yet posted anything to you tube since I got this new CPU. So I have absolutly no idea what has been written or commented on. But any comments between '06-'07 until right this minute on youtube have not been posted by me.

I started a brand new facebook, email paypal, eBay, a few NFL website accounts and this one here. I haven't looked for my youtube or photobucket accounts yet. But I am going to right now. I only had 3 videos on you tube the 0-100, and 2 idle ones that I sent to Brain at TBIchips. I got the links to those videos from my nephew that I posted on here the other day.

I can't comment on anything you said, til I see for myself.......

[RHerron68]

why don't you bring this truck over to play with my K1500? i'm in Dunlap, and actually drive by Osceola Dragway on my way to work every day. we'll see just how fast it is.

Yeah your pretty close to me, if you ever used to hang out at Osceola Dragway on Friday nights back around '06 - '07 you would have seen me there almost every week. Haven't been back since that beat-down from that Avanti. I am not very mobile these days and can not walk around out there. Been home bound for a few years now. I would like to get back out there. Let me know a day or two a head if you plan on going and I will try to meet you there on a Friday for test and tune. I don't go on Sunday, way to expensive.

I wont be running my truck until I get a better tranny. Right now disablity doesn't pay enough for racing and auto parts. Those days are are behind me now... But I'd like to go spectate and you could see my truck and I yours..

[RHerron68]

@ Outlawz2004

I'd like to to that but I need a better tranny, only the engine got rebuilt and the 4L60E is not gripping like it should, seems to lag and slip even with the Vette servo and TrickShift fluid. It is my daily driver and my only transportation right now, so I can't afford to scatter it. I have 3 more payments on a huge hospital bill and after that, a trans is my next big money pit. Everyone says to get a 700R4 but from what I've heard they aren't electronic compatible Thinking maybe a 4L80E and an S10 trq converter would be nice and some new U-Joints. Believe me, I cannot wait to get back into the truck and having some fun. So as soon as humanly possible I will and I will video every bit of it. I never did a burn out video, would like to do that and if I can figure away to mount my camera on the dash I will video several runs down the dragstrip and I will save and scan every timeslip. I'm old and worn out myself but you never get to old for fast women and fast rides...

[Badass69]

I bought two G techs to compare side by side before going to the track, one was over a second different than the other one, and neither one was anywhere close to actual track times. Did I get two duds, maybe but I dont put too much faith in them.

Launching decently mine works just fine and is close enough to bang on I have zero problems with it. I drove 4 6.2 powered GM trucks and thought they were all absolutely pathetically gutless. Did I drive 4 duds? Maybe..... just like the G techs, lol.

[RHerron68]

Launching decently mine works just fine and is close enough to bang on I have zero problems with it. I drove 4 6.2 powered GM trucks and thought they were all absolutely pathetically gutless. Did I drive 4 duds? Maybe..... just like the G techs, lol.

Does GM have a 6.2L option in their new trucks now? I haven't kept up with any of that stuff.. All I know is the Corvette ZR1 is insane, thats an LS7 right, so what is its displacement 427 or something like that?

What engine options are availble in the new GM trucks? Nothing Supercharged is there?

[silverado_lover]

Yes the 6.2 comes in trucks...ZR1 is LS9 IIRC

[Badass69]

Does GM have a 6.2L option in their new trucks now? I haven't kept up with any of that stuff.. All I know is the Corvette ZR1 is insane, thats an LS7 right, so what is its displacement 427 or something like that?

What engine options are availble in the new GM trucks? Nothing Supercharged is there?

It started as the L92 ( RPO code ) for 2007 in the denali's and Escalades. RPO changed in 2009 to L9H when they started offering it in regular LTZ or SLT trim level crew cabs. It also gained flex fuel capability at that point ( will run on E85). 2010 and on is still L9H and it's in anything other than the W/T trim level, or a regular cab. 1500's anyhow. It's supposed to 403 Hp and 417 lb ft but does not remotely perform like it..... well stock anyhow.

Other than that it's the normal 4.3 V6, 4.8 and 5.3's. 2500HD gas pigs are 6.0 liters and otherwise it's the Duramax. That's it!

[silverado_lover]

They need to put the 6.2 in a RCSB :naughty:

[GreaseDog]

Yeah your pretty close to me, if you ever used to hang out at Osceola Dragway on Friday nights back around '06 - '07 you would have seen me there almost every week. Haven't been back since that beat-down from that Avanti. I am not very mobile these days and can not walk around out there. Been home bound for a few years now. I would like to get back out there. Let me know a day or two a head if you plan on going and I will try to meet you there on a Friday for test and tune. I don't go on Sunday, way to expensive.

I wont be running my truck until I get a better tranny. Right now disablity doesn't pay enough for racing and auto parts. Those days are are behind me now... But I'd like to go spectate and you could see my truck and I yours..looks like a classic "callout => backpedal" to me... anyone else thinking the same thing?

[whitelightnin92]

I am guessing you are talking about your 92 K1500, when you refer to a TBI set up? So is that basic stock 1/4 mile time of 16.024? Wonder how much more a K1500 weighs than a C1500? Do you have any TBI or engine mods on the 92 Model?

So you have a 92 K1500, a 69 C10 and a 2006 ECSB 5.3?

What engine does the 69 have in it?

yeah im talking about the 92 k1500 it has vortec heads/rpm intake/XE256 cam/ headers. that run was with a poor tune, never got to run it with it tuned right. it was breaking up on me a little bit, but thats what it ran so thats what i say it runs. the 69 c10 in under construction, it had a mild 357 in it with double humps a single plane and roughly 10:1 compression

[whitelightnin92]

looks like a classic "callout => backpedal" to me... anyone else thinking the same thing?

your 1500 is the one you put the l31 in right? if so i think it would murder him

[BlacK20]

looks like a classic "callout => backpedal" to me... anyone else thinking the same thing?

:lol:

THis guy is making me laugh, claiming in one post he ordered all these parts from GMPP, and then another post saying its a factory order and faster then any factory truck of the day.

[whitelightnin92]

alzheimer's must really suck

[RHerron68]

looks like a classic "callout => backpedal" to me... anyone else thinking the same thing?

Your welcome to stop by anytime you like and go for a ride, your close enough to do so. About the back pedaling and classic call out, not sure what your getting at there? I am not on here saying I have a fast truck or saying my truck can beat any other truck. Mine isn't a race vehicle its a daily driver. I have never once raced it in competetion because its not a comp truck. I liked going to Osceola Dragway on Friday nights when people are 'Testing and Tunning' just for cheap legal fun. Where else can you have that much fun for $20.00? Can't even get a Lap Dance from a Crack Whoe for $20.00.

I have a video of my truck at the dragstrip, do you?

http://youtu.be/LAHE4x6iL04

[RHerron68]

why don't you bring this truck over to play with my K1500? i'm in Dunlap, and actually drive by Osceola Dragway on my way to work every day. we'll see just how fast it is.

You have a lot of vehicles, do you have a pretty well equipted shop and are you pretty hands on and understand all these older GM trucks? I have lots of things I need to get done but can"t physically do it myself, would be nice to have another go to guy with some tools and knowledge. I will be looking for a mechanic to install my trans, u-joints, midshaft bearings, etc. Maybe a Motorvation 4 BBL 4 Injector TBI swap. If you have the know how and tools and want to pick up some extra cash off and on let me know.

Also do you know anyone in the area who does on site ECM tuning? I know Sinister Perf. in Ft. Wayne does but thats a bit to far.. You don't tune do you?

[RHerron68]

why don't you bring this truck over to play with my K1500? i'm in Dunlap, and actually drive by Osceola Dragway on my way to work every day. we'll see just how fast it is.

I think we should get together some time soon. I'll let you look at and even drive my truck, that way you can see for yourself and in person why its falling short and maybe you could help iron out some of the confusion. When's the next time you'll be in the Osceola area? We could meet at Baugo Creek or at Osceola Speed and Custom, swap info, take a test drive down Beach Rd or something. Let me know...

[GreaseDog]

Sorry I am not following all of what you are saying? I'm bit confussed to what you are refering. My 1/4 mile track mph in my sig. was listed at 97 before I edited it recently and now it is 96, the actual number was 96.987 which I rounded up to 97 just to simplifiy then I though about how it really wasn't 97 until it clicked over to 97 so I rounded down to 96.

I have never said the truck weight on this forum that I recall? (Oh maybe in my profile I did) 5150 lbs w/ Driver. I have 2 same basic model trucks, a 95 GMC Sierra ECSS with a JMC Conversion (it has those weird Van Style running boards and is one solid color green, no two tone) That truck was bought as a parts truck because it had a junk yard 383 that wasn't running when I bought it. The body was so clean I desided not to part it out. I took the wheels and tires, bug shield and fake hood louvers and a few other small items and installed them onto my 2nd GMC Tornado GT. The JMC Conversion with air and all the smog stuff and all the body mods, spare tire, etc. weighs a lot more than the Tornado GT, it has swirl port heads and all that junk, but I have never posted anything about that truck before now. Not sure what you mean by 'Heads'?

The other thing, the only other post I made on here about ET's was the other day in response to a question. The numbers I posted were not track numbers and I made it very clear in that post that they were from a dash mounted perf. meter taken after the engine rebuild. The numbers in my Sig were actual Drag Strip Numbers and were before the engine rebuild. I haven't ran the truck at the Dragstrip since the rebuild. So I'm just not sure to what you are refering? Sorry!

If this site will ever allow me to post pics I will post some of both of my 95 GMC's. But just remember only one, the GT Tornado (Avatar Pic) is currently driveable, the other the JMC Conversion has a blown engine and is not driveable...
I was just going to let it go, but for the sake of argument(LOL), you stated your truck weighs 5150 on here, but on youtube you state 6200lbs with 500lbs of sand bags after people stated your truck was slow. On here you stated that you ordered the truck special:" I orded the Stock GT and added the Corvette Block & L98 Aluminum heads" but on youtube you stated that you later added the heads, you stated it ran 14.5 at 97 here but then changed the mph to 96, and IIRC I saw on your video statements that it was running 13s. Last I tried to access the video it was set to private. I dont see how owning two different trucks comes into play, you shouldnt be confusing info from one to the other ,and fiberglass running boards dont weigh that much extra.




why don't you bring this truck over to play with my K1500? i'm in Dunlap, and actually drive by Osceola Dragway on my way to work every day. we'll see just how fast it is.
Yeah your pretty close to me, if you ever used to hang out at Osceola Dragway on Friday nights back around '06 - '07 you would have seen me there almost every week. Haven't been back since that beat-down from that Avanti. I am not very mobile these days and can not walk around out there. Been home bound for a few years now. I would like to get back out there. Let me know a day or two a head if you plan on going and I will try to meet you there on a Friday for test and tune. I don't go on Sunday, way to expensive.

I wont be running my truck until I get a better tranny. Right now disablity doesn't pay enough for racing and auto parts. Those days are are behind me now... But I'd like to go spectate and you could see my truck and I yours..


Your welcome to stop by anytime you like and go for a ride, your close enough to do so. About the back pedaling and classic call out, not sure what your getting at there? I am not on here saying I have a fast truck or saying my truck can beat any other truck. Mine isn't a race vehicle its a daily driver. I have never once raced it in competetion because its not a comp truck. I liked going to Osceola Dragway on Friday nights when people are 'Testing and Tunning' just for cheap legal fun. Where else can you have that much fun for $20.00? Can't even get a Lap Dance from a Crack Whoe for $20.00.

I have a video of my truck at the dragstrip, do you?

http://youtu.be/LAHE4x6iL04

pretty simple really... my truck is XX fast... inconsistant info on the truck posted... **** it, lets see how fast it really is... "i can't because it's broken"... i'm on balding mud tires, with an open diff, and broken leaf springs, i won't hesitate to throw down. you on the other hand won't.

[GreaseDog]

You have a lot of vehicles, do you have a pretty well equipted shop and are you pretty hands on and understand all these older GM trucks? I have lots of things I need to get done but can"t physically do it myself, would be nice to have another go to guy with some tools and knowledge. I will be looking for a mechanic to install my trans, u-joints, midshaft bearings, etc. Maybe a Motorvation 4 BBL 4 Injector TBI swap. If you have the know how and tools and want to pick up some extra cash off and on let me know.

Also do you know anyone in the area who does on site ECM tuning? I know Sinister Perf. in Ft. Wayne does but thats a bit to far.. You don't tune do you?i've got a pretty full plate right now, we've got my '80 torn apart in the shop, a '90 K5 Jimmy, an S10 Blazer getting a V8 swap, a lowered S10 extended cab, my '94 needing some work, along with figuring out how to make my 96 Dodge and 93 C2500 go away. my trans was built by Trans Clinic, their prices were pretty reasonable.

as for tuning, we're sitting right on top of Wait4Me, and he does dyno tuning. he's just down in Warsaw. or Scott's Performance and Paint in Elkhart, 329-6390. i dealt with scott on my first engine swap, and he really helped me out ALOT. really knowlegable guy, plays with all kinds of stuff, EFI, n2o, forced induction.

[GreaseDog]

I think we should get together some time soon. I'll let you look at and even drive my truck, that way you can see for yourself and in person why its falling short and maybe you could help iron out some of the confusion. When's the next time you'll be in the Osceola area? We could meet at Baugo Creek or at Osceola Speed and Custom, swap info, take a test drive down Beach Rd or something. Let me know...

:lol: if we're gonna do it that way, why not hit up the industrial parks in Goshen, or Home Street in Mishawaka? i've made plenty of money both places.

[GreaseDog]

yeah im talking about the 92 k1500 it has vortec heads/rpm intake/XE256 cam/ headers. that run was with a poor tune, never got to run it with it tuned right. it was breaking up on me a little bit, but thats what it ran so thats what i say it runs. the 69 c10 in under construction, it had a mild 357 in it with double humps a single plane and roughly 10:1 compression

is this the same tune you gave me? mine breaks up a little at WOT if i really wind it up.

[RHerron68]

Did I ever say my truck was faster than yours? Did I ever call anybody out to race? No and No! The only thing that has changed in my post was a (1) mph in the 1/4 mile speed , I orginally posted it as 97 mph then dropped it to 96 because both numbers were rounded to the nearest. Wow! 1 mile per hour causes this much grief. I have never posted a single thing on here that was inconsistant. If someone is copying and posting comments from another site (youtube) which I have not posted on since '06 or '07. What is that supposed to mean, I could copy and paste a comment from Bin Laden and say it was from you. If its not posted on here from me thaen I didn't post it.

This is the last time I am going to say this, I have the video and the time posted in my sig is from that video, the very last time I took my truck down the 1/4 mile and that was in '07. Shortly after that pass the engine threw the main bearings. I had the engine rebuilt, added Scat Crank and Rods, Edelbrock Intake and a very mild Crane Cam, Lifters and Rockers, and MSD Coil and a TBIchips Tune. This was all finished in '09. I have not been to the dragstrip since. I have no idea what these mods have done as far as improvement. The only thing resembling a 1/4 mile pass I have made since the rebuild is with a dash mounted performance meter and I posted those numbers in response to a question and I made it clear that they were NOT track numbers.

Somebody said I changed the weight of my truck, show me the post on this forum with my sig where I posted anything like that, show me a post on HERE where I said anything about added heads at the time of the rebuild. Don't copy and paste something from somewhere else and post it on here because that doesn't prove its something I ever posted. I tried to find that link where he said I said my truck weighed 6500 lbs. I couldn't find any link to it. I sure didn't see my name or signature on it.

I could type up anything I wanted to post it somewhere then copy and paste it here and say you posted it...

What difference does it make what my truck has or doesn't have? I haven't challenged a single person on here to a dick swinging contest. I was searching for a 4 BBL TBI Swap and there were links to this website about TBI's I saw where someone was asking people to post thier TBI truck track times, so I did. So show me some links from this site where I hAVE contradicted anything beside a (1) mph change to my sig. Don't post some BS from Internet land because if it isn't linked to my account with my sig then I didn't post it.

[RHerron68]

:lol: if we're gonna do it that way, why not hit up the industrial parks in Goshen, or Home Street in Mishawaka? i've made plenty of money both places. For one thing I don't live anywhere near Goshen and again I don't recall ever sugesting that my truck was faster than yours or anyone elses for that matter. Why would I want to race someone who's truck and mods are far better than mine. I don't know what you have or don't have and outside of just being a motor head and liking high perf stuff, couldn't care less how fast your truck is. I'm sure if your willing to race than its probably pretty quick and thats great, can't have enough high performance vehicles in the world. You seem like the type that has to prove something, so prove it... I would love to see you run your truck at Ocseola against people in a similar class and type as you. I respect anyone who chooses to hot rod a truck, anyone can sup up a 2800 lb car and drop a BB Chevy in it and run 11's. Its way more impresive to see a truck do it..

So if you want to meet somewhere and show me your truck and take me for a ride that would be cool. If you want to look at or drive my truck that too would be cool. But I am not the one on here challanging anyone. If I wanted to race for comp and had the money I would strip down an S10, cut it to race weight put slicks on it and drop a 406 or 427 ci small block with a big carb and open headers and run 11's. I can't afford to do that if you can I am happy for you and a bit jealous. I would like to have a superfast street-strip vehicle that I could take out on weekends and blast and all the little ricers and what not. Its not something I can do, my truck is my only operating vehicle and my everyday, every season driver.

So again for the sake of two guys who love HP, if you want to meet on Home Street or wherever thats cool. I'd be up for that, but since I never said mine was faster than yours then why do you need to prove that it is? I'd love to see your ride experiance the acceleration first hand. So just say when. Home St. would be the closet to me since I'm not in Goshen.. I just figured Osceola would be better since you drive through there everyday.

[GreaseDog]

my truck is just a stock longblock. yours is stroked and has performance passenger car heads on it. mine is 100% stock truck parts, except for the intake.

as for the purpose of your truck, mine does it all as well... daily driver, kid hauler, grocery getter, scrap hauler, tow pig, offroad activities, mud a couple of times, some light trails, you name it, its done it. once i lower it, i plan on taking it to New Paris and running spectator races with it, so technically it will be an occaisional circle track truck too. LOL

[Outlawz2004]

Did I ever say my truck was faster than yours? Did I ever call anybody out to race? No and No! The only thing that has changed in my post was a (1) mph in the 1/4 mile speed , I orginally posted it as 97 mph then dropped it to 96 because both numbers were rounded to the nearest. Wow! 1 mile per hour causes this much grief. I have never posted a single thing on here that was inconsistant. If someone is copying and posting comments from another site (youtube) which I have not posted on since '06 or '07. What is that supposed to mean, I could copy and paste a comment from Bin Laden and say it was from you. If its not posted on here from me thaen I didn't post it.

This is the last time I am going to say this, I have the video and the time posted in my sig is from that video, the very last time I took my truck down the 1/4 mile and that was in '07. Shortly after that pass the engine threw the main bearings. I had the engine rebuilt, added Scat Crank and Rods, Edelbrock Intake and a very mild Crane Cam, Lifters and Rockers, and MSD Coil and a TBIchips Tune. This was all finished in '09. I have not been to the dragstrip since. I have no idea what these mods have done as far as improvement. The only thing resembling a 1/4 mile pass I have made since the rebuild is with a dash mounted performance meter and I posted those numbers in response to a question and I made it clear that they were NOT track numbers.

Somebody said I changed the weight of my truck, show me the post on this forum with my sig where I posted anything like that, show me a post on HERE where I said anything about added heads at the time of the rebuild. Don't copy and paste something from somewhere else and post it on here because that doesn't prove its something I ever posted. I tried to find that link where he said I said my truck weighed 6500 lbs. I couldn't find any link to it. I sure didn't see my name or signature on it.

I could type up anything I wanted to post it somewhere then copy and paste it here and say you posted it...

What difference does it make what my truck has or doesn't have? I haven't challenged a single person on here to a dick swinging contest. I was searching for a 4 BBL TBI Swap and there were links to this website about TBI's I saw where someone was asking people to post thier TBI truck track times, so I did. So show me some links from this site where I hAVE contradicted anything beside a (1) mph change to my sig. Don't post some BS from Internet land because if it isn't linked to my account with my sig then I didn't post it.

I stated 6200 not 6500, as stated on some of the first few statements on youtube. People were saying your truck was slow, so your comeback was that it had 500lbs of sandbags in it making it 6200 pounds. I would post the link but someone(YOU) closed your youtube account and pulled the videos. Got something to hide I see. If someone was saying all this BS on here that I knew wasnt true, I would go hammer out the fastest pass I could make and post that new video here to shut them up and demand my respect. You on the other hand tend to be like a crawfish, always going backwards. When I first posted what my truck would run, no one believed it either. I was called out by a few OBS guys and some NBS guys as well, I took the challenge from some local members and met them at the track and proved myself.

[93ChevyTBI]

I'm totally happy with my truck but man this thread makes me want to go out and buy a C1500 ecsb and build it to 450 hp.....seriously. Throw on some worked over vortecs, big cam, etc just so I can post some impressive times. It's not gonna happen but it does make me feel that way. A 2wd truck is useless to me but it would scream. I have no idea what my truck would do...maybe 15-16 second quarter mile....really no idea.

[87_305]

Did I ever say my truck was faster than yours? Did I ever call anybody out to race? No and No! The only thing that has changed in my post was a (1) mph in the 1/4 mile speed , I orginally posted it as 97 mph then dropped it to 96 because both numbers were rounded to the nearest. Wow! 1 mile per hour causes this much grief. I have never posted a single thing on here that was inconsistant. If someone is copying and posting comments from another site (youtube) which I have not posted on since '06 or '07. What is that supposed to mean, I could copy and paste a comment from Bin Laden and say it was from you. If its not posted on here from me thaen I didn't post it.

This is the last time I am going to say this, I have the video and the time posted in my sig is from that video, the very last time I took my truck down the 1/4 mile and that was in '07. Shortly after that pass the engine threw the main bearings. I had the engine rebuilt, added Scat Crank and Rods, Edelbrock Intake and a very mild Crane Cam, Lifters and Rockers, and MSD Coil and a TBIchips Tune. This was all finished in '09. I have not been to the dragstrip since. I have no idea what these mods have done as far as improvement. The only thing resembling a 1/4 mile pass I have made since the rebuild is with a dash mounted performance meter and I posted those numbers in response to a question and I made it clear that they were NOT track numbers.

Somebody said I changed the weight of my truck, show me the post on this forum with my sig where I posted anything like that, show me a post on HERE where I said anything about added heads at the time of the rebuild. Don't copy and paste something from somewhere else and post it on here because that doesn't prove its something I ever posted. I tried to find that link where he said I said my truck weighed 6500 lbs. I couldn't find any link to it. I sure didn't see my name or signature on it.

I could type up anything I wanted to post it somewhere then copy and paste it here and say you posted it...

What difference does it make what my truck has or doesn't have? I haven't challenged a single person on here to a dick swinging contest. I was searching for a 4 BBL TBI Swap and there were links to this website about TBI's I saw where someone was asking people to post thier TBI truck track times, so I did. So show me some links from this site where I hAVE contradicted anything beside a (1) mph change to my sig. Don't post some BS from Internet land because if it isn't linked to my account with my sig then I didn't post it.

How nice of you to close your YouTube account so that people can't go back and see where you have told 2 tales and look at your most recent comments to people that have posted about your video. I just copied your comments and such from youtube here so that people could see that you are full of it.

[cttandy]

I installed a new flux capacitor in my truck this weekend. It is now capable of warp speed again. You guys will never catch me!

[87_305]

:lol:

[gmc406]

Don't forget to tighten your muffler bearings. Warp speed is hard on them.

[RHerron68]

Wonder how tough you little dick, inbred mother ****ers would be if I was in your face. You little butt****ing vigins are so sad with your worthless masturbating lives, that you got nothing better to do then critique every word someone says. I don't need this **** and what I'd do to you in person would make your momas weep. I pulled down the youtube account because some little fagot like you guys hacked the account and posted a bunch of ****. It ain't none of youir damn business what I do. Go back to finger banging your own bung holes... I'm outa here!!!!! Pussies!

[gmc406]

Soooooooooooo.........it rained here today again. What about you guys down south?

[Zero260]

Wonder how tough you little dick, inbred mother ****ers would be if I was in your face. You little butt****ing vigins are so sad with your worthless masturbating lives, that you got nothing better to do then critique every word someone says. I don't need this **** and what I'd do to you in person would make your momas weep. I pulled down the youtube account because some little fagot like you guys hacked the account and posted a bunch of ****. It ain't none of youir damn business what I do. Go back to finger banging your own bung holes... I'm outa here!!!!! Pussies!

Lol, I give this rant a 8.5 out of 10. It's a solid 9 if the spelling was there. I found it to be original and entertaining. but please....
this is why tbi threads get closed. this is not the thread for a tbi vs ls arguement so, why dont we keep it that way

[GreaseDog]

Wonder how tough you little dick, inbred mother ****ers would be if I was in your face. You little butt****ing vigins are so sad with your worthless masturbating lives, that you got nothing better to do then critique every word someone says. I don't need this **** and what I'd do to you in person would make your momas weep. I pulled down the youtube account because some little fagot like you guys hacked the account and posted a bunch of ****. It ain't none of youir damn business what I do. Go back to finger banging your own bung holes... I'm outa here!!!!! Pussies!

come over, i'll go toe to toe with you no problem. i'll call your bull**** just the same. its simple, run your mouth = run your truck. :read:

[silverado_lover]

Fvck...too bad he got banned

[BlacK20]

come over, i'll go toe to toe with you no problem. i'll call your bull**** just the same. its simple, run your mouth = run your truck. :read:

Word, TBH, what was he claiming 1/4 mile? 14.5? is that pretty sad for a engine with those parts?

[Outlawz2004]

Wonder how tough you little dick, inbred mother ****ers would be if I was in your face. You little butt****ing vigins are so sad with your worthless masturbating lives, that you got nothing better to do then critique every word someone says. I don't need this **** and what I'd do to you in person would make your momas weep. I pulled down the youtube account because some little fagot like you guys hacked the account and posted a bunch of ****. It ain't none of youir damn business what I do. Go back to finger banging your own bung holes... I'm outa here!!!!! Pussies!

Aw man, those manners flew out the window again.

[cttandy]

Don't forget to tighten your muffler bearings. Warp speed is hard on them.

Awe man, the muffler bearings are special ordered from Antarctica made from carbon fiber. The first set, made of fiberglass, went up in smoke when I broke just a little over warp 1.5. Talk about an insane drift, you should see a truck doing warp 1.5 and the back tires lock up. It left one heck of a set of black marks to boot.





Let's not forget folks, these internet's are serious business. EEEEEEErrrrrrrrrr, serious, eeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrr!

[whitelightnin92]

is this the same tune you gave me? mine breaks up a little at WOT if i really wind it up.

i changed the tune quite a bit since then but the tunes are very close yes.

[Outlawz2004]

Word, TBH, what was he claiming 1/4 mile? 14.5? is that pretty sad for a engine with those parts?

He posted on dragtimes 14.2, 14.5, stock swirl port heads, l98 heads, his mph changes up and down,displacement changes from 6.2 to 6.3, and(I thought the truck came from the dealer with everything, heads, engine, etc) here is what he posted to a guy on there when asked about his truck:
" this is a 6.2L Corvette Engine built by Ultra Tech Racing Engines. Vette Trans, Alum Heads, Cam, Holley EFI, Etc. I wish I could get the weight down to 4500, cuz if I could it would be running High 13's."





Back to the thread now:
My favorite TBI truck belonged to a buddy of mine, he had a 95 ext cab stepside. He did alot of work to the engine and the truck itself, it sounded great, looked great, and felt like it could pull a house. On the track he could only manage 10+ second 1/8 mile times however.

[whitelightnin92]

buddy of mine has an insanely built 355 in his truck with the edelbrock muliport conversion. this thing SHOULD be like 450 horse but its on a stock tune. lol. it actually runs and drives really good untill it warms up. then it goes to crap. at half throttle it really runs but over half throttle it goes to ****. he wont give in and tune it. its super responsive. i love that truck. 6 inch lift 2 tone blue and white. beautiful truck

[93ChevyTBI]

buddy of mine has an insanely built 355 in his truck with the edelbrock muliport conversion. this thing SHOULD be like 450 horse but its on a stock tune. lol. it actually runs and drives really good untill it warms up. then it goes to crap. at half throttle it really runs but over half throttle it goes to ****. he wont give in and tune it. its super responsive. i love that truck. 6 inch lift 2 tone blue and white. beautiful truck
as a tuner, you should help said buddy out :nutkick: :slap:

[gmc406]

Someday, I'll have a 11 second N/A "TBI" truck......

......wife and kids, you guys know the old story. LOL.

[whitelightnin92]

as a tuner, you should help said buddy out :nutkick: :slap:

for one, i dont tune for free 90% of the time unless i owe a favor. two he really isnt the brightest and doesnt really pay it any mind. (idk how you dont notice) and 3 if i tuned it then it would be faster then my truck and we all know you dont make your buddies truck faster than yours :lol:

[93ChevyTBI]

for one, i dont tune for free 90% of the time unless i owe a favor. two he really isnt the brightest and doesnt really pay it any mind. (idk how you dont notice) and 3 if i tuned it then it would be faster then my truck and we all know you dont make your buddies truck faster than yours :lol:

charge a fee then but don't let him depend on mail order since he obviously can't tune it himself.