No Muffler?

[crazykid2320]

What will be affected if i were to run my 96 1500 with stock cats and straight pipes after the cats.

I just want to know everything it will affect. will it run ok? MPG's? HP?

Thanks in advance guys!

[nick613]

It will run fine, might see a slight loss of low end.

[crazykid2320]

any effect on the fuel mileage?

[Chriscon7]

running no muffler is not a "clean" sound IMO
would still sound better than true duals though

[nick613]

any effect on the fuel mileage?

Nothing you will notice

[mrhp]

Being a 96, it would be true duals.

[loudbluez71]

You wont notice a difference in hp or mpg.

[DylanC]

i have a 2000 gmc with a 4.3 i cut the muffler and ran it out the side the only reason i cut the muffler was so it actually sounded like a truck instead of a little ricer with a v6 loll

[crazykid2320]

well i cut the exhaust and turned it out the side tonite. was wondering the pros aand cons. does any one on here know the laws on exhaust?

[mainechev]

Is it just me that has noticed an increase in "What can I do to make muh exhaust louder/bigger/faster/efficienter/cooler" threads this week?

Spring break so there's a bunch of bored 15 or 16 year old noobs joining the site? :dunno:

[Mr Brown]

It will sound like sh!t, loose tq and your mileage will drop. Every stupid kid around here has straight pipes w/dual slash cut tips out the back of their trucks and they are rubbish. Think straight piped Harley on 4 wheels. Really, really loud and going nowhere.

[loudbluez71]

It will sound like sh!t, loose tq and your mileage will drop. Every stupid kid around here has straight pipes w/dual slash cut tips out the back of their trucks and they are rubbish. Think straight piped Harley on 4 wheels. Really, really loud and going nowhere.

Dont really loose power,I raced another z71 same year as mine with stock exhaust on it, and we were tit for tat and i have true dual straights.There not rubbish just all in what u like.

[Quyonmob]

What will be affected if i were to run my 96 1500 with stock cats and straight pipes after the cats?


Reputation and credibility.


does any one on here know the laws on exhaust?

Might have to at least post your state or residence if you want any useful information on exhaust legalities.

[BlacK20]

Being a 96, it would be true duals.

no, no it wont.

[BlacK20]

Is it just me that has noticed an increase in "What can I do to make muh exhaust louder/bigger/faster/efficienter/cooler" threads this week?

Spring break so there's a bunch of bored 15 or 16 year old noobs joining the site? :dunno:

Yup, annoying as hell too, just because your truck is loud, doesn't mean it has power.

[BlacK20]

What will be affected if i were to run my 96 1500 with stock cats and straight pipes after the cats.

I just want to know everything it will affect. will it run ok? MPG's? HP?

Thanks in advance guys!

what will it affect?

your truck will now sound like ****, your truck will now be a Popo-catcher, and you will probably loose power.

[mrhp]

If the OP removed the stock exhaust behind the convertors and ran 2 glasspacks and tailpipes, how would that not be duals?

[SUBURBIAN]

What is wrong with "true duals" anyways?

[BlacK20]

If the OP removed the stock exhaust behind the convertors and ran 2 glasspacks and tailpipes, how would that not be duals?

you made it sound like 1996+ has true duals from factory.

[Mr Brown]

Dont really loose power,I raced another z71 same year as mine with stock exhaust on it, and we were tit for tat and i have true dual straights.There not rubbish just all in what u like.
Losing power is an absolute, either you do or don't. As far as racing another truck, that's not a reliable method of gauging power loss. Given your screen name, I assume you think loud is "cool", and that's fine, but the fact is that all other things equal, removing backpressure (no muffler) will cause a loss in tq. So unless you think more noise combined with less power is a good thing, it's rubbish.

[mrhp]

No I didn't.

[mrhp]

I agree with Mr Brown. Would most likely see a loss in low and midrange torque and horsepower. The upper end would most likely stay the same or possibly gain a little. Low and midrange is where it is at with these trucks.

[Chriscon7]

Imo true duals sound awful. They sound even worse when someone doesn't know what they're doing and decide to not run an X or H pipe.

[1988 GMC 355]

Do it and you will be able to beat vettes.

[BlacK20]

Imo true duals sound awful. They sound even worse when someone doesn't know what they're doing and decide to not run an X or H pipe.
i had true duals with mufflers on my old truck, sounded just fine. thing would turn heads just from the sound (trust me, she wasnt pretty). IMHO, Straight pipes, sound like ****. True duals with mufflers, sound good.

[SUBURBIAN]

Imo true duals sound awful. They sound even worse when someone doesn't know what they're doing and decide to not run an X or H pipe.

It's quite obvious that you don't know what you're talking about.

[loudbluez71]

Losing power is an absolute, either you do or don't. As far as racing another truck, that's not a reliable method of gauging power loss. Given your screen name, I assume you think loud is "cool", and that's fine, but the fact is that all other things equal, removing backpressure (no muffler) will cause a loss in tq. So unless you think more noise combined with less power is a good thing, it's rubbish.

well if u loose tq it is so little u cant tell.cause i didnt

[Chriscon7]

It's quite obvious that you don't know what you're talking about.

Really necessary?

[Quyonmob]

Exhaust section strait pipe people... :windowlic

[Mr Brown]

well if u loose tq it is so little u cant tell.cause i didnt
Yeah, you did. And it's not an if. It's physics. Your truck isn't exempt from the laws that govern internal combustion engines, but maybe your ears are ringing so bad from the horrible cackling sound you can't tell a difference.....

[1988 GMC 355]

Yeah, you did. And it's not an if. It's physics. Your truck isn't exempt from the laws that govern internal combustion engines, but maybe your ears are ringing so bad from the horrible cackling sound you can't tell a difference.....

16-18 yr olds are exempt from the laws of physics, don't you know?

[BIG IRON]

What is wrong with "true duals" anyways?

Idk why people on here don't like True duals. Apparently everyone on here with their x,h,y pipes and singles likes their truck to sound like stock just a little louder.

[1988 GMC 355]

Idk why people on here don't like True duals. Apparently everyone on here with their x,h,y pipes and singles likes their truck to sound like stock just a little louder.

True duals can have an x or h pipe, you clearly need to do some research and know what an x,h, and y pipe is and their uses and pros and cons. You really need to read and stop posting wrong and bad info.

[BIG IRON]

True duals can have an x or h pipe, you clearly need to do some research and know what an x,h, and y pipe is and their uses and pros and cons. You really need to read and stop posting wrong and bad info.

Hahahaha. NO SIR! ARE YOU KIDDING? TRUE DUALS come right off the headers or manifolds run into mufflers or no mufflers (straight pipe) and TRUE DUALS NEVER CONNECT what you speak of sir are just plain duals.

[NeverFastEnough]

Lol NO MY EXHAUST COMBO SOUNDS BETTER!!!!!! My god........

[1988 GMC 355]

Hahahaha. NO SIR! ARE YOU KIDDING? TRUE DUALS come right off the headers or manifolds run into mufflers or no mufflers (straight pipe) and TRUE DUALS NEVER CONNECT what you speak of sir are just plain duals.

Wrong again, true duals are individual pipes that may or may not connect, but never CONVERGE to a single pipe.

[BIG IRON]

Wrong again, true duals are individual pipes that may or may not connect, but never CONVERGE to a single pipe.

In lamens terms, true duals are both exhaust pipes ran by themselves, not tied into one with a Y pipe, H pipe, or X pipe.

[1988 GMC 355]

You still don't understand what each does and a y pipe is not a version of an h or x pipe, they are at different points of the system, true duals do ru nby themselves but are balanced with an x or a h pipe, y pipes are off the headers to make the pipe CONVERGE to a single system.

[loudbluez71]

Yeah, you did. And it's not an if. It's physics. Your truck isn't exempt from the laws that govern internal combustion engines, but maybe your ears are ringing so bad from the horrible cackling sound you can't tell a difference.....

Well opinions are like azz holes every one has one,I like both mufflers and straights,Thats your opinion so put a muffler on your truck.i will stick with no muffler,and all engines dont need back pressure, older models and most high performance engines dont need it.

[1988 GMC 355]

Well opinions are like azz holes every one has one,I like both mufflers and straights,Thats your opinion so put a muffler on your truck.i will stick with no muffler,and all engines dont need back pressure, older models and most high performance engines dont need it.

losing torque is a fact, not opinion. A proper exhaust setup gives high velocity and low back pressure.

[loudbluez71]

losing torque is a fact, not opinion. A proper exhaust setup gives high velocity and low back pressure.

yea i know, just talking about sound wise.

[mainechev]

Debates about the termonology of dual exhaust :whyme:

:lol::lol:

[mainechev]

Well opinions are like azz holes every one has one,I like both mufflers and straights,Thats your opinion so put a muffler on your truck.i will stick with no muffler,and all engines dont need back pressure, older models and most high performance engines dont need it.
because racecar:windowlic

[Chriscon7]

True duals are still true duals with an x or h. Doesn't neccesarily need it but its better to blend the exhaust pulses of both banks of cylinders in a V configured engine.

[SUBURBIAN]

Removing the mufflers from an exhaust system changes the exhaust gas velocity potential through the pipes. An engine demands a certain velocity to make optimal/maximum power. Generally speaking, factory mufflers slow down the exhaust flow too much. People like to call this concept "backpressure". It really is nothing more than not meeting the flow rate demand of the engine. Less backpressure, more backpressure. Whatever. It, (backpressure) by the way, is a term that the trade has made up to describe this phenomenon. It sold mufflers. Now it's a household term. Again, whatever. Imagine that the proper flow for some engine is 0 on a number line, with ...,-3, -2, -1 before and 1, 2, 3,... after. For argument's sake, say stock mufflers don't provide enough velocity so let's call them -2 on the same number line.. Removing the mufflers completely changes the number to say, 2, because there is now too much flow potential, more than the engine can feed. Turbulence and maybe reversion. In between, is the optimal metering...based on the rest of the setup, and intended power range of the engine. To make your exhaust worth anything for performance, you need to find where "0" is, not too much (no mufflers) not too little (stock mufflers).

Now, if I had an x pipe, I would not say I had true duals. If I had a balance tube or an h pipe, I still would NOT say that I have true duals. I would say that I have duals with a crossover, or an x, or whatever. They are different things. True duals are true duals...one pipe per bank of cylinders.

[Mr Brown]

Well opinions are like azz holes every one has one,I like both mufflers and straights,Thats your opinion so put a muffler on your truck.i will stick with no muffler,and all engines dont need back pressure, older models and most high performance engines dont need it.
Every time you post, you sound like a bigger idiot. What you or I like has no bearing on the fact that any internal combustion engine will make less torque with less backpressure. In an all out race application the loss of tq will be compensated for with additional hp, but in a street or lower-reving engine (like the one in your truck) the net result is less performance. I know a little bit about performance engines, the motor in my bike has very little backpressure, but I knowingly substituted tq for hp due to it's intended use. The big block in the drag car I crew on has a similar setup for the same reason. Learn a little bit about how things work before posting nonsense.

[loudbluez71]

Every time you post, you sound like a bigger idiot. What you or I like has no bearing on the fact that any internal combustion engine will make less torque with less backpressure. In an all out race application the loss of tq will be compensated for with additional hp, but in a street or lower-reving engine (like the one in your truck) the net result is less performance. I know a little bit about performance engines, the motor in my bike has very little backpressure, but I knowingly substituted tq for hp due to it's intended use. The big block in the drag car I crew on has a similar setup for the same reason. Learn a little bit about how things work before posting nonsense.
Didnt say it wouldn't loose tq, i just said it wouldn't loose much.

[Mr Brown]

[QUOTE=SUBURBIAN;5543844]Removing the mufflers from an exhaust system changes the exhaust gas velocity potential through the pipes. An engine demands a certain velocity to make optimal/maximum power. Generally speaking, factory mufflers slow down the exhaust flow too much. People like to call this concept "backpressure". It really is nothing more than not meeting the flow rate demand of the engine. Less backpressure, more backpressure. Whatever. It, (backpressure) by the way, is a term that the trade has made up to describe this phenomenon. It sold mufflers. Now it's a household term. Again, whatever. Imagine that the proper flow for some engine is 0 on a number line, with ...,-3, -2, -1 before and 1, 2, 3,... after. For argument's sake, say stock mufflers don't provide enough velocity so let's call them -2 on the same number line.. Removing the mufflers completely changes the number to say, 2, because there is now too much flow potential, more than the engine can feed. Turbulence and maybe reversion. In between, is the optimal metering...based on the rest of the setup, and intended power range of the engine. To make your exhaust worth anything for performance, you need to find where "0" is, not too much (no mufflers) not too little (stock mufflers).[QUOTE]

Agreed, but I would add that it's impossible to design an exhaust system that is optimal throughout the rpm range of a given engine, so it must be engineered to either lower or higher rpm potential. An acceptable trade off in a purpose designed system, but a trade off all the same. Whatever you wanna call it, the term backpressure is commonly accepted for discussion purposes. I was obviously not dealing with a genius when I responded.....

[Mr Brown]

Didnt say it wouldn't loose tq, i just said it wouldn't loose much.
Either it does, or it doesn't. Not losing much is still losing. Which was my point to begin with. The sound part is opinion. The loss of torque is fact. Not debatable, not subject to opinion.

[Mr Brown]

because racecar:windowlic
You're right. I'm dealing with a far superior intellect. I humbly apologize for my outburst. Please forgive me.

[SUBURBIAN]

Agreed, but I would add that it's impossible to design an exhaust system that is optimal throughout the rpm range of a given engine, so it must be engineered to either lower or higher rpm potential. An acceptable trade off in a purpose designed system, but a trade off all the same. Whatever you wanna call it, the term backpressure is commonly accepted for discussion purposes. I was obviously not dealing with a genius when I responded.....

You probably read where I said that it all comes down to the intended usage. You understand the effect of say a longer header collector extension or different primary length/diameter, or even the way the primaries merge. We agree. Do you spend all your time above 5 grand 1/4 mile at a time? Do you run from idle to 7500 on a road course? Idle to 6000 on the street? Absolutely needs to be considered. What I'm saying is that if you have the exhaust matched for what the engine wants where you're trying to use it, the engine doesn't even know it's there. My buddy's bigblock car runs the same et through tuned headers or 3" pipes with full tails...his stuff is right on the money.

Oh, I don't think I mentioned, straight pipes hurt my ears.

[Badass69]

You won't notice diddly squat for power loss on a stock 1/2 ton Vortec 350 truck........ and the Bernoulli's principals that govern all this still will apply. Everyone here tells you that you will lose all kinds of low end torque in comparsion to running a muffler........ They talk about velocity and scavenging and all these neat terms that very well govern engine exhaust gas characteristics........ But herein lies the problem.

You are dealing with a stock 1/2 ton 350 Vortec's exhaust system...... Ever looked at one up close??????

First you have the same style TBI style $hitty cast log exhaust manifolds coming off the exhaust ports of the heads. So right then and there you pinch flow and lose velocity to frictional loss from the cast iron. Now lets enter the head pipes...... Oh that's right, 150 cubic engines worth of exhaust per bank breathing through some ever so awesome 1 7/8" ID piping....... So now you pinch that flow down even more, but cause a velocity increase due to restriction. Then you force it into two equally small and $hitty catalytic convertors........ more frictional loss. Then the final act so to speak....... A garbage can muffler tacked onto these two dinky head pipes. Now you have a loss in exhaust gas velocity and it has to snake through that muffler to exit.

So really, whether you have the garbage can on there, or open atmosphere, the transistion from restricted high velocity gases to a slight break ( the stock mufflers are nothing great inside either ) really won't account for much in the power department. The exhaust is anything but close to optimal on the 1500 series trucks, even in comparison to the 8600+ GVW trucks of the same era that had 2 3/4" head pipes.

Ultimately every exhaust does what...... oh that's right, end open to atmosphere...... no it's not a closed system that stays in the pipes forever.

A big thing for scavenging to actually work right would be matching pairs of cylinders....... kinda hard with dual exhaust when they are on opposing banks isn't it....... Add a balance tube you say, or X pipe........ sure works great........ yeah maybe if the exhaust system off each head was equal in length to keep things timed. Doesn't work when the drivers side pipe is 5 or 6 feet longer than the passenger before it enters the H or X. A muffler is simply a deadening device for sound waves..... and usually a restriction honestly. Scavenging can be done with the headers if you matched cylinders by getting a crossover set like my friend has on his dirt track car. They look like a spider and are impractical in a street car with pipes coming from each head and feeding to either sides collector. Then the piping and sound deadner ( aka muffler) is a restriction no matter how you look at it.

You get all the losses and restrictions in the world up to the muffler on these trucks, so cutting it off in this instance really won't account for much other than sounding like garbage......

[Quyonmob]

Debates about the termonology of dual exhaust :whyme:

:lol::lol:

True duels becasue racecar!!11111

[93M6Formula]

You won't notice diddly squat for power loss on a stock 1/2 ton Vortec 350 truck........ and the Bernoulli's principals that govern all this still will apply. Everyone here tells you that you will lose all kinds of low end torque in comparsion to running a muffler........ They talk about velocity and scavenging and all these neat terms that very well govern engine exhaust gas characteristics........ But herein lies the problem.

You are dealing with a stock 1/2 ton 350 Vortec's exhaust system...... Ever looked at one up close??????

First you have the same style TBI style $hitty cast log exhaust manifolds coming off the exhaust ports of the heads. So right then and there you pinch flow and lose velocity to frictional loss from the cast iron. Now lets enter the head pipes...... Oh that's right, 150 cubic engines worth of exhaust per bank breathing through some ever so awesome 1 7/8" ID piping....... So now you pinch that flow down even more, but cause a velocity increase due to restriction. Then you force it into two equally small and $hitty catalytic convertors........ more frictional loss. Then the final act so to speak....... A garbage can muffler tacked onto these two dinky head pipes. Now you have a loss in exhaust gas velocity and it has to snake through that muffler to exit.

So really, whether you have the garbage can on there, or open atmosphere, the transistion from restricted high velocity gases to a slight break ( the stock mufflers are nothing great inside either ) really won't account for much in the power department. The exhaust is anything but close to optimal on the 1500 series trucks, even in comparison to the 8600+ GVW trucks of the same era that had 2 3/4" head pipes.

Ultimately every exhaust does what...... oh that's right, end open to atmosphere...... no it's not a closed system that stays in the pipes forever.

A big thing for scavenging to actually work right would be matching pairs of cylinders....... kinda hard with dual exhaust when they are on opposing banks isn't it....... Add a balance tube you say, or X pipe........ sure works great........ yeah maybe if the exhaust system off each head was equal in length to keep things timed. Doesn't work when the drivers side pipe is 5 or 6 feet longer than the passenger before it enters the H or X. A muffler is simply a deadening device for sound waves..... and usually a restriction honestly. Scavenging can be done with the headers if you matched cylinders by getting a crossover set like my friend has on his dirt track car. They look like a spider and are impractical in a street car with pipes coming from each head and feeding to either sides collector. Then the piping and sound deadner ( aka muffler) is a restriction no matter how you look at it.

You get all the losses and restrictions in the world up to the muffler on these trucks, so cutting it off in this instance really won't account for much other than sounding like garbage......

Winner Winner Chicken Dinner!

[loudbluez71]

Either it does, or it doesn't. Not losing much is still losing. Which was my point to begin with. The sound part is opinion. The loss of torque is fact. Not debatable, not subject to opinion.

I know i lose some never said i didnt loose any.

[BlacK20]

In lamens terms, true duals are both exhaust pipes ran by themselves, not tied into one with a Y pipe, H pipe, or X pipe.

You sir, should learn what you are typing before presenting it as facts, Y-Pipe has no use in a dual exhaust system.

[Mr Brown]

You won't notice diddly squat for power loss on a stock 1/2 ton Vortec 350 truck........ and the Bernoulli's principals that govern all this still will apply. Everyone here tells you that you will lose all kinds of low end torque in comparsion to running a muffler........ They talk about velocity and scavenging and all these neat terms that very well govern engine exhaust gas characteristics........ But herein lies the problem.

You are dealing with a stock 1/2 ton 350 Vortec's exhaust system...... Ever looked at one up close??????

First you have the same style TBI style $hitty cast log exhaust manifolds coming off the exhaust ports of the heads. So right then and there you pinch flow and lose velocity to frictional loss from the cast iron. Now lets enter the head pipes...... Oh that's right, 150 cubic engines worth of exhaust per bank breathing through some ever so awesome 1 7/8" ID piping....... So now you pinch that flow down even more, but cause a velocity increase due to restriction. Then you force it into two equally small and $hitty catalytic convertors........ more frictional loss. Then the final act so to speak....... A garbage can muffler tacked onto these two dinky head pipes. Now you have a loss in exhaust gas velocity and it has to snake through that muffler to exit.

So really, whether you have the garbage can on there, or open atmosphere, the transistion from restricted high velocity gases to a slight break ( the stock mufflers are nothing great inside either ) really won't account for much in the power department. The exhaust is anything but close to optimal on the 1500 series trucks, even in comparison to the 8600+ GVW trucks of the same era that had 2 3/4" head pipes.

Ultimately every exhaust does what...... oh that's right, end open to atmosphere...... no it's not a closed system that stays in the pipes forever.

A big thing for scavenging to actually work right would be matching pairs of cylinders....... kinda hard with dual exhaust when they are on opposing banks isn't it....... Add a balance tube you say, or X pipe........ sure works great........ yeah maybe if the exhaust system off each head was equal in length to keep things timed. Doesn't work when the drivers side pipe is 5 or 6 feet longer than the passenger before it enters the H or X. A muffler is simply a deadening device for sound waves..... and usually a restriction honestly. Scavenging can be done with the headers if you matched cylinders by getting a crossover set like my friend has on his dirt track car. They look like a spider and are impractical in a street car with pipes coming from each head and feeding to either sides collector. Then the piping and sound deadner ( aka muffler) is a restriction no matter how you look at it.

You get all the losses and restrictions in the world up to the muffler on these trucks, so cutting it off in this instance really won't account for much other than sounding like garbage......
I agree that the losses caused by removing the muffler may be so slight that a person won't notice them, but that doesn't change the fact that they exist. Biggest thing I noticed was the gain in fuel economy after installing a muffler on the truck I bought that didn't have one, well that and the fact that I could hear myself think in the truck. I also agree that the other parts of the stock exhaust cause more of an issue than the muffler. I guess it just pisses me off when some a$$hat posts up opinions and pretends they are facts. The interwebs are full of mis-information, I try and correct it when I can....
And yeah, subjectively straight pipes with cats sound like a$$.....

[farmboy575]

just because you dont have as much back pressure doesnt mean that you are going to notice a large loss in hp. i ran my truck with just glasspacks for a long time and i noticed hardly any loss. now that i have a magnaflow i gained power back but still not a huge diffrence

[1988 GMC 355]

just because you dont have as much back pressure doesnt mean that you are going to notice a large loss in hp. i ran my truck with just glasspacks for a long time and i noticed hardly any loss. now that i have a magnaflow i gained power back but still not a huge diffrence

You gained velocity back, not back pressure

[farmboy575]

i realize that. but everyone makes it like there is going to be a huge loss in power and torque.. your not gonna notice that big of a diffrence on a stock 350 motor. it probably just a everyday driver anyways not a race truck.

[silverado_lover]

it probably just a everyday driver anyways not a race truck.

Are you saying a everyday driver can't be a race truck? :charge:

[TheBigMortboski]

True duels becasue racecar!!11111

I quoted this because I felt it needed to be on every page of this thread. :worship:

[randeez]

this thread is missing something

[silverado_lover]

It needs...





























































































MOAR SPINTECH

[DarkCharisma]

You will gain no MPG or HP. In fact, the only thing it'll do is get louder.

Really, N/A gasoline engines do not see any gains from exhaust unless you've got a good bit of HP coming down the pipe... the anemic SBC 350 isn't enough.

[randeez]

pfft, it says so right on the box bro

[DarkCharisma]

pfft, it says so right on the box bro

Well, if we're just box-racing, I should have like 450HP and 790ftlbs torque with my exhaust, bigger turbo inlet and Superchips.

[silverado_lover]

the anemic SBC 350 isn't enough.

Na bro my 350 walks 6.0's

[randeez]

add the cold air intake, and you should almost have as much power as a cummins

[silverado_lover]

Them new engines SUK becuz of the computer

[DarkCharisma]

add the cold air intake, and you should almost have as much power as a cummins

Rolled off factory floor with more hp/tq than a Cummins :looking: :yumyum:

[randeez]

i know :looking:

but i think everyone with straight pipe true dual duels , also has a odd obsession with a cummins

[DarkCharisma]

i know :looking:

but i think everyone with straight pipe true dual duels , also has a odd obsession with a cummins

I want a Cummins in a '86 Suburban with a NV4500 and a 14B/D60. :looking:

[Quyonmob]

I want a Cummins in a '86 Suburban with a NV4500 and a 14B/D60. :looking:

I'll take a 91-92 of the same flavour, take your mods and add a 2" lift, severely "massaged" fenders and 37" BFG KM2's on hutchinson beadlocks.

[DarkCharisma]

I'll take a 91-92 of the same flavour, take your mods and add a 2" lift, severely "massaged" fenders and 37" BFG KM2's on hutchinson beadlocks.


I was thinking 4" and 37's, but 2" sounds good also.

[Quyonmob]

I was thinking 4" and 37's, but 2" sounds good also.

I would be tempted to molest your Dmax in a similar fasion. :D

[DarkCharisma]

I would be tempted to molest your Dmax in a similar fasion. :D

Once this bish is paid off I can start thinking about cool stuff. For now it's off-the-shelf IFS lifts and street tires.

[Quyonmob]

Once this bish is paid off I can start thinking about cool stuff. For now it's off-the-shelf IFS lifts and street tires.

At least you have options to play with before it is paid off. I might *might* autocal BB tune before it is paid off... hell, wifey would like to see the house paid off before an SAS. :D

[mainechev]

At least you have options to play with before it is paid off. I might *might* autocal BB tune before it is paid off... hell, wifey would like to see the house paid off before an SAS. :D
Sell the house to finance SAS IMO :looking:

[randeez]

ditch wife in the process and have madd $$

[randeez]

and perhaps your sack may grow back following said sas

and flowmaster ftw :run:

[mainechev]

:word:

[Quyonmob]

ditch wife in the process and have madd $$

That would be doing it wrong, as wife makes more $$$ than me. My career is my passion, but pays crap. Hers pays the bills.

[farmboy575]

Are you saying a everyday driver can't be a race truck? :charge:

no im not saying that. my buddy has a 98 chevy 1500 with a built 383 stroker motor that is his everyday driver but could still be a race truck if thats how you wanna put it

[BlacK20]

no im not saying that. my buddy has a 98 chevy 1500 with a built 383 stroker motor that is his everyday driver but could still be a race truck if thats how you wanna put it
Sure.

[silverado_lover]

Not really my definition of a racetruck...but aight


My friend's cousin's stepdad's buddy's brother's daughter's boyfriend's dad daily drives his 8 second C3500

[DarkCharisma]

no im not saying that. my buddy has a 98 chevy 1500 with a built 383 stroker motor that is his everyday driver but could still be a race truck if thats how you wanna put it

Built 383? Probably almost as fast as my stock 5.3L was, now.

http://www.deviantart.com/download/203808519/troll_face___high_definition_by_animeburner-d3dcbnr.jpg

[randeez]

built 383... STROKER :read:

[DarkCharisma]

built 383... STROKER :read:

Cumminstrokethisdmax? :dunno:

[farmboy575]

ok well i guess that when you are one year out of high school you probably are not gonna have a truck that runs 8 second unless mom and dad pay your way like half the kids today that think there cool drivin built trucks that they didnt even pay for. and oh ya i forgot my dads bestfriends stepbrothers moms cousin has a truck.. you make it like i dont even know the kid. i work with him

[Quyonmob]

ok well i guess that when you are one year out of high school you probably are not gonna have a truck that runs 8 second unless mom and dad pay your way like half the kids today that think there cool drivin built trucks that they didnt even pay for. and oh ya i forgot my dads bestfriends stepbrothers moms cousin has a truck.. you make it like i dont even know the kid. i work with him


Translation anyone?

[farmboy575]

ya here ya go let me make it a little easier for those who cant take the time to read and understand it. so what if people dont have the fastest truck. we arnt 30 making full pay. who cares if you have the fastest truck.. where i come from its about having a truck you can pull with or actually use. not think we are cool and try to race everyone we can find

[Chriscon7]

pretty self explanitory :windowlic

[randeez]

o snap
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQi1ZAgzbXvY9jq_bEFXJAo1OKHE7XyB BRB6XGKk4lBvRrXsuHYIiSqThVU

[TheBigMortboski]

ok well i guess that when you are one year out of high school you probably are not gonna have a truck that runs 8 second unless mom and dad pay your way like half the kids today that think there cool drivin built trucks that they didnt even pay for. and oh ya i forgot my dads bestfriends stepbrothers moms cousin has a truck.. you make it like i dont even know the kid. i work with him

English: Since I am just a youth out of my K-12 education, it is impractical for me to own a high performance vehicle that covers the standing quarter-mile in an 8-second elapsed time. Furthermore, it is also unreasonable to expect my parents to assume the financial responsibility of gifting me the vehicle in question. I am an acquaintance of said individual, as we are co-workers.

Ebonics: I juss be a po' ass n!GG@ out da hood, ain't got no donk mah momma pay fo, diss broke ass n!GG@ 'round tha way got one, we don't roll wit him, he's around.

Redneck: Yeeeehhhhaawww!!! GIT R DUN!

Elderly: Why, in my day, we didn't have none of these fancy nuthin's you whipper snappers have today. What we did have, we scrimped and saved and bagged groceries down at the general store, and we were happy to make 3 cents a year! Get off my lawn!


That should about cover it. When this post gets deleted, I don't need a spanking e-mail, just a deletion will suffice :)

[Quyonmob]

ya here ya go let me make it a little easier for those who cant take the time to read and understand it. so what if people dont have the fastest truck. we arnt 30 making full pay. who cares if you have the fastest truck.. where i come from its about having a truck you can pull with or actually use. not think we are cool and try to race everyone we can find

I can read kiddo, your "english" on the other hand is pure disrespect for the written word.

oaky freind do u see what i am saying now cus it shuld be clear becasue...




















RACETRUK!!!!!11111

[1988 GMC 355]

English: Since I am just a youth out of my K-12 education, it is impractical for me to own a high performance vehicle that covers the standing quarter-mile in an 8-second elapsed time. Furthermore, it is also unreasonable to expect my parents to assume the financial responsibility of gifting me the vehicle in question. I am an acquaintance of said individual, as we are co-workers.

Ebonics: I juss be a po' ass n!GG@ out da hood, ain't got no donk mah momma pay fo, diss broke ass n!GG@ 'round tha way got one, we don't roll wit him, he's around.

Redneck: Yeeeehhhhaawww!!! GIT R DUN!

Elderly: Why, in my day, we didn't have none of these fancy nuthin's you whipper snappers have today. What we did have, we scrimped and saved and bagged groceries down at the general store, and we were happy to make 3 cents a year! Get off my lawn!


That should about cover it. When this post gets deleted, I don't need a spanking e-mail, just a deletion will suffice :)

Are you and kayzn friends?


He did this similar translastion for C. Waller a while back.

[TheBigMortboski]

I dunno, maybe. My friend's kid is named Kaysn, but I doubt he's on this website, since he's only 1 1/2 years old.

[silverado_lover]

ok well i guess that when you are one year out of high school you probably are not gonna have a truck that runs 8 second unless mom and dad pay your way like half the kids today that think there cool drivin built trucks that they didnt even pay for. and oh ya i forgot my dads bestfriends stepbrothers moms cousin has a truck.. you make it like i dont even know the kid. i work with him

I'm not sure if you're saying I'm a year out of HS or not :think: Anyways that isn't the case

Also you got the relationship thing wrong dood


so what if people dont have the fastest truck.

Then you have a boring truck :read:

[SUBURBIAN]

This is awesome.

[farmboy575]

hate to break it to you but having the fastest truck doesnt mean anything where im from. having a truck that can pull something is what its about. around here we could care less if your truck goes fast. and im not saying your one year out of school. i was talking about the kid that had the 383 and how we dont just have money to blow into a "racetruck"

[silverado_lover]

around here we could care less if your truck goes fast.

Still sounds boring :lol:

What area of IL are you from?

[DarkCharisma]

hate to break it to you but having the fastest truck doesnt mean anything where im from. having a truck that can pull something is what its about. around here we could care less if your truck goes fast. and im not saying your one year out of school. i was talking about the kid that had the 383 and how we dont just have money to blow into a "racetruck"

Mine hauls both ass and anything else. Sorry, but gas burners just don't belong in either arena. :whyme:


Still sounds boring :lol:

What area of IL are you from?


The area where fast things are lame, and presumptuously where farmland exists; so I am guessing here:

http://g.co/maps/55wj4

[Quyonmob]

Mine hauls both ass and anything else. Sorry, but gas burners just don't belong in either arena. :whyme:


ju put on teh duel staks yet??// all de dertymacks guise hear hab dem fur to coal smoke pepple is kool

[farmboy575]

Gilman IL the small town of 1200. and ya gas burners arnt that great for either. i just drive mine to school and back. we have 7 duramax trucks on the farm so that what i drive most of the time

[DarkCharisma]

ju put on teh duel staks yet??// all de dertymacks guise hear hab dem fur to coal smoke pepple is kool


DUEL DUEL BRAH, mo' powa' and I stakked a edge wit a superchjip with a powerpup bully dog, it rolls some koal mannn

[DarkCharisma]

Gilman IL the small town of 1200. and ya gas burners arnt that great for either. i just drive mine to school and back. we have 7 duramax trucks on the farm so that what i drive most of the time

Hello, lets be friends.

[farmboy575]

ha i figured you would like that

[silverado_lover]

ya gas burners arnt that great for either.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=AnXM3ZQbE90

:rolleyes:

[farmboy575]

ok with alot of money anybody can make anything fast i think we all know that.. but stock wise diesels are faster most of the time

[silverado_lover]

Doesn't take much to put a truck in the 12's

[farmboy575]

probably not i have never looked into doing anything to mine because i never worry about racing it.

[silverado_lover]

u shud l0k ^ sum nawz

[SUBURBIAN]

Here you go, girls.....Action starts at about 1:15...just make sure you don't blink.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztUwfLQPEao

[randeez]

oobs magic

[silverado_lover]

Must be a diesel lolz

[BigAC]

My truck would be that fast with open headers too :rolleyes:

[loudbluez71]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=AnXM3ZQbE90

:rolleyes:

I think it hit rev limiter one time. hahaha

[silverado_lover]

I'm sure it was sketchy as hell to feel that rear end sliding at 100 MPH+

[Onetongwa]

It will sound like sh!t, loose tq and your mileage will drop. Every stupid kid around here has straight pipes w/dual slash cut tips out the back of their trucks and they are rubbish. Think straight piped Harley on 4 wheels. Really, really loud and going nowhere.

You wont loose mileage or horsepower.........and it will give your engine a more free flowing exhaust!!! (Fact)

[Goldy56]

LOL loving the hate with no mufflers !!!!!!

with a factory cat still installed removing the restricting stock muffler your saying your going to lose to much back pressure and see loses ?
highly unlikely ......
if thats the cheap route you need to take to save money instead of running a nice muffler for the current time and your happy with the sound leave it

i ran my stock motor on headers 2 highflow magnaflow cats and straight piped 2.5 true dual ran perfectly fine
id agree its a cleaner rumble with a good performance muffler

on his 1996–1999 5.7 L Vortec 5700 V8 255 hp (190 kW) 335 lb·ft (454 N·m
so hes seeing 200hp at the wheels on a fresh engine 275 tq the minimal loss or gain will never be noticed it comes down to personal preference i think...... just saying

around here we do have some hardass cops and no mufflers are illegal and will probably eventually lead to a fine ......
if your tearing up the streets tromping on it because its much louder now then it use to be , so thats what most people do to hear their new set-up lol

[mainechev]

You wont loose mileage or horsepower.........and it will give your engine a more free flowing exhaust!!! (Fact)

Not knowing the difference between the words 'loose' and 'lose' makes you look like a dumbass! (Fact)

[06Chevy4WD]

Depends on why you want no muffler. Are you doing no muffler for sound? then of course MPG will go down cause you want hear it making you, I'm sure, get in it more haha. If you want performance...then no muffler usually will affect that unless you personally have another way of fixing back-pressure.

[Redneck jimmy]

well i cut the exhaust and turned it out the side tonite. was wondering the pros aand cons. does any one on here know the laws on exhaust?

Laws very from state to state and city ordinances u must have some sort of cats unless the vehicle was made without cats as far as noise check you city laws I live in Colby is and so they don't really care as far as noise but is is different els whee.