can it still be a truck with a 4/6?

[S-10GUY]

I just bought a 91 gmc 2wd rcsb. I like the look of a 4/6 drop but can it still be a truck? Will I be able to put 800lbs in the bed and go down the road? If not whats the lowest i can go but still haul the weight of sheet rock lumber atv or whatever else lands in it?

[BHB]

With helper bags you can do whatever you want.

[caso]

i haul my four wheeler and its ok until you come up on a dip in the road i have to slow down to like 45 going down the highway and still rub. its an ass whoopin! looking into accuair system e-level set up so that it can still be a work truck and show truck. if you dont know or havent heard about it look it up.

[1badgmc]

I had a 5/8 on my '91 and more than once had a bed full of furniture helping friends move.

[S-10GUY]

thats what i was thinking was adding helper bags. Ive searched all over this site to find a 4/6 all in one box but it seems alot of guys piece them together. I was thinking 2" spindles and 2" springs. flipkit with the westcoast c-notch. it looks stronger than some other designs ive seen. what idk is do i need shims for an alignment and pinion angle?

[TexasFunk]

thats what i was thinking was adding helper bags. Ive searched all over this site to find a 4/6 all in one box but it seems alot of guys piece them together. I was thinking 2" spindles and 2" springs. flipkit with the westcoast c-notch. it looks stronger than some other designs ive seen. what idk is do i need shims for an alignment and pinion angle?

i would just take it to get aligned. most shops will do it for like 50 bucks, at least thats the going rate around here.

[addiction2bass]

for the rear i myself wish i had bought belltech instead of djm just cause the install instructions are sweet on the belltech and the djm is just a joke IMO!
if you dont mind trimming the front lower control arms then DJM spindles is the way to go if ya got stock 15s cause the belltechs push the wheels out some.
and yes haul away anything youd normally do. the only thing id like to swap out on the rear right now is the djm notches. i want to do some custom bolt in notches to lift it to the beds floor and give me afew more inches travel cause right now even with 4/6 and helpers with 20psi in them it can hit the djm bolt in notches on axle/frame. :( i know i can make my own now that i have a cheap plasma cutter to play with cutting steel ALOT EASIER! ;)

[S-10GUY]

i,ve been searching on here alot and think I might buy everything from western chassis. does any one know how much rear travel i will have with a 6in rear flip/cnotch from them?

[addiction2bass]

From what I've read that brand isn't great.... this is your suspension very major parts. Don't cheap out! And with a 6inch flip you only have afew inches on extended cab trucks. Tho regular cab trucks I think have more travel I believe. But helper bags are a huge help!

[S-10GUY]

I didnt think the western parts where cheap just from what i was reading on here. Ppl seem to like them. But I could look into DJM to alot of ppl use them. I'll do some searching see if they have good spindles or cant clear a stock 15 wheel. what kit is in your truck all djm part?

[custm2500]

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n151/custmemaxx/2012-03-23_18-30-48_862.jpg

I am fully bagged out back but helper bags will allow you do the same thing. Toung weight was probably 1500-2000 lbs atleast with the trailer weighing 10,000ish. Like everyone said if you do it right and add helper bags you can do anything with a lowered truck aside from offroading thorugh deep holes.

[addiction2bass]

My truck was all djm. I just didn't care for the rear flipkit since the pinion angle is not addressed good enough for me. The belltech kit uses shims an just looks way more fool proof for the novice/beginer do it yourselfer.
But some people like it. I would just definatly get djm spindles to keep the wheels tuckin in just like stock since I've heard the belltechs push them out to clear the lca rain guters.

[1badgmc]

From what I've read that brand isn't great.... this is your suspension very major parts. Don't cheap out! And with a 6inch flip you only have afew inches on extended cab trucks. Tho regular cab trucks I think have more travel I believe. But helper bags are a huge help!

Don't confuse Western Chassis with Chassis Tech. A lot of people do. Western Chassis is good stuff. There's nothing at all wrong with them.

Chassis Tech on the other hand... :nono:

[addiction2bass]

O MY BAD.... you right! do there spindles push out like belltechs or like djm and stock offset?

[1badgmc]

O MY BAD.... you right! do there spindles push out like belltechs or like djm and stock offset?

I believe they keep the stock track like DJM spindles.

[S-10GUY]

I see some guys are using 67 impala shocks on the rear. What about the front? I want a smooth ride not rough and bouncy. Any suggestions on where to buy the western as a complete 4/6 kit. I keep finding it in pieces here and there?

[1badgmc]

If you want a more OEM shock with your drop, you can use ~'98 Dakota shocks for the front and ~'92 Cherokee Sport shocks for the rear.

[S-10GUY]

thanks for the shock info, someone did alot of trial and error i bet to figure that out.

[addiction2bass]

Well for my truckthe sugested summitracing shocks where wrong. At least on my truck but that might be sagging leaf spring or whatnot. But best way to get perfect fitment is do some homework after you put on all drop parts and measure for shocks. Its not as hard as it sounds. Just put weight on the wheels for ride height and measure mount to mount. Then check summits shocks sizes and do basic math to find the closest to the middle measurement of the shock for ride height. Worked great for my truck! The fronts where good as recomended by this site, but my rears needed to be longer. I only had afew inches travel till the shock was at its max reach which made it ride ruffer. I realized it when I was under the truck and the shocks rod only had like 1-2inches max shiny still the rest was rusty so that's all the travel it had.

[custm2500]

thanks for the shock info, someone did alot of trial and error i bet to figure that out.

All it takes is a bit of time on Monroe's web site and you can find a shock that has the top and bottom mount you need in a length that better suits your needs.

[addiction2bass]

link.... link link.... ;)
hell doing mine took me about 1/2hour or hour to run numbers and such from summit racing shocks. sure would be nice to have a link for my future needs if its quicker ;)

[S-10GUY]

called summit today for a price on a complete WC kit they didnt have it yet. So i priced 2" spindles 2" coils and a 6" flip/c notch kit. Western chassis was 734.85 and DJM was 455.82. Is western worth almost $300 more?

[95nProgress]

Definitely can still be a truck with a 4/6 with helper bags.

Been doing some shock searching myself.

Here is the Monroe shock link....
http://www.monroe.com/assets/downloads/english/08_MountingLengthSheet.pdf

And some others....

Edelbrock...
http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive_new/misc/tech_center/install/shocks/EDl_shock_length&control_2008.pdf
http://www.jandmmotorsports.com/Dealer-Websites/J+M-Motorsports/PDF/Shocks.pdf

KYB
http://www.jandmmotorsports.com/Dealer-Websites/J+M-Motorsports/PDF/Shocks.pdf

Koni
http://www.koni-na.com/pdf/KONI_Motorsports_2008.pdf

What I have found so far is that most rear shocks have too much rebound dampening.

Brian

[addiction2bass]

do ya got prices for the different parts?
only thing i didnt like with djm was there rear flipkit/c notch. tho i havent used or seen instructions with the WC kit so not sure on how good it is or ease to instal. try to find instructions on its install, see all the parts that are included as well and see if its kinda a quality or what not.

[black_joker89]

Don't know if this helps but I'm running these shocks on mine with shock extenders out back:
Front: Monroe Sensa-Trac = 37137
Rear: Monroe Sensa-Trac = 37027

It's a 95 rcsb with a 4/6 drop with stock rims and tires and I haven't had any issues with my truck being bouncy or anything

[S-10GUY]

thanks i'll check those out to.

[S-10GUY]

$569.99 @ summitracing.com for a western chassis 4/6 part# 80133

[MullenFabworks]

Here is how mine used to sit. 4/7 with helper bags. I even drove out to the desert like this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v513/MullenFabworks/12.jpg

[S-10GUY]

if were near a desert id be building a pre runner.

[BHB]

if were near a desert id be building a pre runner.

^ Note profile pic.

[S-10GUY]

I saw his pic it looks sweet. I meant I myself would be building one. Also finally got all my parts last friday, I'll keep updating this thread on the western install.

[bagged02]

addiction2bass and 1badgmc. Whats up guys, yall remember me from 8-10 years ago. Crazy. ANyways sorry I thread jacked just the first post i clicked on and seen old members I use to interact with on here. i used same user name back then. Black sierra bagged 22s

[S-10GUY]

attempted to start the install tonight but that ended fast. The castle nuts on my oe spindles just about slide over the threads on the WC spindles. Not sure where to go from here.

[Maguyver]

Sorry.... I'm posting so I could follow this thread. I'm also deciding on what kit to go with.

[randeez]

:thud:
'91 reg cabs have a thinner front rotor, and a shorter spindle as a result (i was not aware the spindle was a different size thread though). many of the drop spindles use the 92+ reg cab, 88-98 ext cab, size rotors. manufacturers make the spindle for the 88-91 reg cabs but if everything in the front needs to be replaced it would be a good time to replace/upgrade.

[S-10GUY]

the wc thread is either a fine thread m20 metric or a fine thread 3/4 sae. it appears my oe is a 7/8" or metric equivalent.

[S-10GUY]

I got the front spindles inlast night. The machining on the castings is tight. I had to widen the area for the calipers with a grinder. The spindle its self is threaded a lil small so there is some play in the castlle nut but it tightens up good. IDK if it metric or sae. maybe a fine thread M20 nut would fit tighter I'm not sure. The brake caliper bolts holes are tight to be careful with those. otherwise the install was easy. just small on the machined parts. starting the flip/notch today alone so it wont be done 2nite

[S-10GUY]

the rear end is in. I had to round over the edges of the saddle the axle sits in for the flip kit. Also had to pound them with a hammer to close them a little bit. with out doing these two things they wouldnt fit into the oe axle pad. Also the saddle is not tight on the axle tube. but with the mods i did it is tight to the pads so it should be secure. Gotta do the notches now.

[david068513]

Helper bags and your set.

[Mitch.g]

i have my 93 reg cab short box down 5/8 and i used belltech bolt in notchs and shock extenders and monroe air shocks, with 140 psi in them it rides good and i can still use the bed for wood or a fourwheel and whatnot

[S-10GUY]

after seeing your truck i got my step bro to let me use his 94-96 impala ss wheels for now. my truck looks like yours but in primer.

[giggles]

I have the same type of question, just purchased a 3/4 ton truck and need it to haul my horses, one is a draft, and haul hay. Can it do this and what do I need to do, please help.

giggles

[custm2500]

Just like the rest of this thread says. Bags are where it is at. Fully bagged is obviously the way to go but if a simple drop is your plan then add some helper bags and you will be able to haul more then it could stock regardless of altitude.

[S-10GUY]

i fount out the other day I need bags i was hauling some tables and pallets for a party and hit a big bump my rear end hit the bottom of my box and pinched the rear brake lines shut. oops

[addiction2bass]

o ya you should have bent the brake line out of the way! but o well easy enough to fix.
but ya helper bags are nice! i have them on my truck. just be sure you keep the bags on there own air line. if you combine them the air will jsut shift when turning and wont help ya. i learned that when i had a line pop and was forced to combine them. they worked when going straight but as soon as i turned it just dumped all air to the other side and tapped frame every time i turned.
which reminds me i need to sell my old manual valves. i upgraded to electric valves so i can play with them more.LOL those started my air bag addiction. ya bag to help tow, then you add air pump and tank to be able to adjust on the road, then ya get a air horn for more fun and then it goes bigger and bigger.LOL now i got airbags upfront and want to do my rear next, get a train horn and who else knows what else.lol