What about going to hydroboost?
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This is a discussion on ABS delete; What master cylinder are you runnig with your SAS? within the Offroad forums, part of the General Discussion category; Hey guys, my ABS is giving me problems. At least thats what I think it is, reguardless it's gotta go ...
Hey guys, my ABS is giving me problems. At least thats what I think it is, reguardless it's gotta go anyways. It seems that my left front caliper is always slightly dragging. I've replaced it 4 times before to no avail. I have braided ss lines on, and have bled them good a number of times. Everytime I replace both front calipers and my right one has never given me any problems. Anyways, I'm still wanting to delete my ABS and wanted to know what everyone with a SAS is running. I'm looking to do this only once the correct way so when I SAS I won't have to do much, except pop the axles in and hook the lines up.
Here's a run down of what my SAS will be:
HP Dana 44 front with Chevy front disc, rotors and single piston calipers.
Dana 60 rear with disc. either Caddy calipers or Chevy single piston calipers again. This way all 4 rotors are the same and possibly all 4 calipers are the same.
Basically, I'm thinking I need a 3/4 ton master cylinder that will bolt to my power booster and not have the goofy ABS line size. I will also need a propotioning valve, adjustable would be prefered.
Any suggestions or input on what you guys are running is much appreciated.
1996 Chevy Tahoe LT 4x4: Built and Vortech supercharged 5.7 vortec, built Jasper Performance 4L60E, and SAS.
What about going to hydroboost?
1999 2 Door Tahoe 4x4 w/ 14 Bolt SF & TruTrac. Corvette servo, Gibson cat-back, custom tune from Black Bear, AD244 alt. upgrade, Z71 skid plates, Escalade cluster, 2" block + 1.5" crank, 285/75R16 SOLD 1/2012
2008 Silverado 1500 Z71, Borla catback, block and coil spacer
IFS calipers are designed to work with the stock MC quick take-up valve. This pulls the pads away from the rotor ever so slightly reducing drag helping GM meet CAFE standards.
The old calipers don't always work with the quick take up valve and as such can drag on the the rotor sometimes.
My solution was to mount a hydroboost MC out of a K30 in my truck. I turned a ring so the indexing from my stock vacubooster would mate with the new MC. It has a larger bore as well which firmed up my pedal, but not too much being I'm running a 60 front (what it was designed for).
A warning about the ABS, the stock proportioning valve is integral to it. You'll need to mount a new one in the rear line to prevent locking the rear brakes up prematurely if you delete it.
1997 K1500 ECSB LQ9/80e/241/D60f/C14FF
2006 Dodge 2500 610CTD/G56/271/AAM9.25/AAM11.5
4 wheel disc vacume boosted master from early 2000's chevy/gmc (rpojc5) at advanced auto parts its Part No. 13-2881, pic is with a duramax 4wheel disc master (rpojh6) it was a litle to big of bore, saved it for when i go hydro though. and a prop block / dist block in one.
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2005 2500hd duramax crew cab 4x4
1998 ext cab z71 silverado 8in sas 35's
1973 silverado 9in 38.5 boggers
1985 gmc siera 4in 36 tsls
Considering I didn't have to get rid of ABS on my truck, my setup is a little simpler.
D44 stock discs in front, 14b SF 11" drums in rear. Running through the stock proportioning vavle and a 88 K2500 master. It works better than it did stock, firm pedal, no lockup and stops on a dime.
Dave
78 Nomad 19'; 5" lift, Extended Tongue, Full LED, Delco HU
88 GMC K1500; 9" SAS/D44/14FF Detroit/NV4500/NP241/TBI454, GMT800 Mirrors, 8 HIDS
02 GMC K1500; HT pkg, HD bumper, 2" lowered, SS wheels, Denalis & HIDs
99 Chevy K2500; Sold at 158,784 miles
Thanx for all of the help and input guys, I really appreciate it. As for hydro boost, I had thought about that, but I want to keep my truck simple in design and on a lower budget. This summer my goals would be to get the truck on the axles and drivable. I know about needing a proportioning valve and had a similar setup as Chevy7398 in my mind, that looks like what I'm wanting. Did you have any problems getting lines to match up size wise, because the ABS flare nuts seem to be a goofy thread and size, and adapters aren't easy to come by, it's a safety thing so people don't take out their ABS lol? Did you guys replace all of your hard brake lines?
Thanx again for all of the advice guys.
1996 Chevy Tahoe LT 4x4: Built and Vortech supercharged 5.7 vortec, built Jasper Performance 4L60E, and SAS.
Digging an old one up, I know, but am curious if deleting the abs gained a significant improvement or not by going to a simpler Pre-abs set-up?
I'm finally at the point where I can't stand mine anymore and something needs to be done to greatly improve the stopping power.
- i'm new
<-thanks again, xZoomerZx
'96 burb - RC, 4.56's, 35's, detroit, SYE, realift, flow 50's, w4m, 06' 17's, other stuff
'98 silvy - z71, 285's, flow 50's, 2" block, full crank, blackbear
'06 malibu - tint & wheels
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