Open throttle body spacer better?

[bootlife337]

Without the wet or dry influence, intake runner length and plenum size is a huge part of engine design.

Study intake runner harmonics, this calculator will shed some light on the issue for you.

http://www.bgsoflex.com/intakeln.html

UMMM..... OK, Im not sure how this involves a TB Spacer??? This is more for getting the right intake for the engine. Im not to sure he is building his own intake lol just looking for advice. or BANG FOR THE BUCK

[1.721afr]

Then it is best left to those who can grasp and apply the concept.

[bootlife337]

Then it is best left to those who can grasp and apply the concept.

I'm guessing you don't get it. Maybe you should look up aftermarket intakes for tbi and see how many high rise intakes you come up with. Then look for high rise intakes for carb motors. Funny how there's a ton for that and not tbi! Lol looks like you have no clue. The high rise is in fact the very same concept as a spacer. Do a lil research please sir

[Fast305]

I'm guessing you don't get it. Maybe you should look up aftermarket intakes for tbi and see how many high rise intakes you come up with. Then look for high rise intakes for carb motors. Funny how there's a ton for that and not tbi! Lol looks like you have no clue. The high rise is in fact the very same concept as a spacer. Do a lil research please sir

Just shows you what YOU THINK YOU KNOW.....ABSOLUTELY NOTHING when it comes to TBI performance. The best intake I ever ran was a Victor Jr 2bbl with a 454 TBI on top. I ran it with a Holley Projection 2" water heated TBI-2bbl adapter on top. A very close second was a Victor Jr 4bbl and a 2" tall TBI-Spreadbore Marine adapter from a Mercruiser 502 TBI.



I have a whole thread I just posted recently regarding my progress from a stock TBI 350 through a beastly 383 TPI with every step in between. Lots of chassis dyno runs and lots of track times.

The quickest I ever went with my G-van weighing in a hefty 5,300 lbs + driver was a 14.1 @ 99 on a 2.28s 60' time. Stock torque converter in the 700r4 and 3.08 gears, shifting right at 6,000. Even with more than 400 HP, I could still get 18-19 mpg running 75-80 mph with the A/C blasting.

Now go back and play with your stock TBI.

I played with the TBI spacer at the track and there were noticeable benifits to both the two hole and oval single hole units. On the strip the open center spacer performed best.

FYI, how many stock headed TBI engines have you seen break 250 RWHP??? Mine had NO problem doing it.

Dyno with LT4 cam, Headers, Edelbrock 3704 intake, 1" open center spacer, Marine 2" TBI w/74# high pressure injectors, 1.6:1 full roller rockes, highflow cat, flowmaster 40 series single in/dual out muffler. That combo completely un-tuned running pig rich on the stock BJYN memcal for a 95 TBI G20 van, made more hp/tq on the dyno than a stock 5.7 Vortec truck.



Do a little research about TBI and what responds with them BEFORE running your mouth.

http://www.fullsizechevy.com/forum/g...350-stuff.html

[moogvo]

Just shows you what YOU THINK YOU KNOW.....ABSOLUTELY NOTHING when it comes to TBI performance.

Dyno with LT4 cam, Headers, Edelbrock 3704 intake, 1" open center spacer, Marine 2" TBI w/74# high pressure injectors, 1.6:1 full roller rockes, highflow cat, flowmaster 40 series single in/dual out muffler. That combo completely un-tuned running pig rich on the stock BJYN memcal for a 95 TBI G20 van, made more hp/tq on the dyno than a stock 5.7 Vortec truck.

Do a little research about TBI and what responds with them BEFORE running your mouth.

Looks to me like you are not comparing apples to apples. The majority of this discussion has been based on a TBI spacer and a stock engine with stock exhaust and what the benefit of that single part would be. Based on what you posted, this is not the case with your configuration. If a TBI spacer is the magic that makes the machine, then why waste time and money on cams, headers, high flowing cats, roller rockers and all that other stuff? I will never understand why people get their undies in a ball over stuff like this? Ya can't even try to help people anymore without someone else feeling like they need to whip out their units and start a pissing war over it.

[1988 GMC 355]

Looks to me like you are not comparing apples to apples. The majority of this discussion has been based on a TBI spacer and a stock engine with stock exhaust and what the benefit of that single part would be. Based on what you posted, this is not the case with your configuration. If a TBI spacer is the magic that makes the machine, then why waste time and money on cams, headers, high flowing cats, roller rockers and all that other stuff? I will never understand why people get their undies in a ball over stuff like this? Ya can't even try to help people anymore without someone else feeling like they need to whip out their units and start a pissing war over it.

You are so annoying and just can't stay away from these threads. You start this war by bashing. No one is claiming a crap ton of power gain from these, jeesh.

[kemble]

Its simple, Do throttle body spacers help? YES on a TBI setup.

[moogvo]

You are so annoying and just can't stay away from these threads. You start this war by bashing. No one is claiming a crap ton of power gain from these, jeesh.

I am not sure why you have made it your mission to follow me around and make derogatory postings about me. Clearly, you have a score of some sort to settle and I don't get it. Why have you taken anything I have said personally? Why do you care so much what I think anyway? Now, you are reducing yourself to calling me "Annoying"? You don't know who I am, what my experience is or anything else about me. You think I have started a war by "bashing"? REALLY? Show me ONE post that I have EVER made here where I have bashed anyone!

I have yet to "bash" anyone on this forum or any others, (unless, by "bashing", you mean offering my educated and experienced opinion when replying to a thread where a member has asked for opinions.) I have said NOTHING that you or anyone else should have taken personally or as an attack. I have presented my opinions with clarity and professionalism in spite of the negative and disrespectful comments you and others have made. I have the same privilege of speaking my opinions on this forum that you have. Just because you don't agree with my perspective doesn't give you the right to be a jerk.

Have I followed you around into other topics where you have posted and left negative, off-topic remarks about you? No, I haven't. You have done that to me though. If you feel the need to be rude and condescending to me or others, or to lure people back into your little pissing war by continuing to make negative postings to them until they come back and continue to grind the axe with you, then perhaps it is YOU that are the "annoying" one. perhaps it is YOU that has a problem. You really should consider taking your disagreements with others off of the forums and into a PM instead of showing your rear on the forums. It only serves to make you look immature and I can promise you that nobody is impressed by your little flaming tantrums.

[1988 GMC 355]

I am not sure why you have made it your mission to follow me around and make derogatory postings about me. Clearly, you have a score of some sort to settle and I don't get it. Why have you taken anything I have said personally? Why do you care so much what I think anyway? Now, you are reducing yourself to calling me "Annoying"? You don't know who I am, what my experience is or anything else about me. You think I have started a war by "bashing"? REALLY? Show me ONE post that I have EVER made here where I have bashed anyone!

I have yet to "bash" anyone on this forum or any others, (unless, by "bashing", you mean offering my educated and experienced opinion when replying to a thread where a member has asked for opinions.) I have said NOTHING that you or anyone else should have taken personally or as an attack. I have presented my opinions with clarity and professionalism in spite of the negative and disrespectful comments you and others have made. I have the same privilege of speaking my opinions on this forum that you have. Just because you don't agree with my perspective doesn't give you the right to be a jerk.

Have I followed you around into other topics where you have posted and left negative, off-topic remarks about you? No, I haven't. You have done that to me though. If you feel the need to be rude and condescending to me or others, or to lure people back into your little pissing war by continuing to make negative postings to them until they come back and continue to grind the axe with you, then perhaps it is YOU that are the "annoying" one. perhaps it is YOU that has a problem. You really should consider taking your disagreements with others off of the forums and into a PM instead of showing your rear on the forums. It only serves to make you look immature and I can promise you that nobody is impressed by your little flaming tantrums.

You follow these threads around and tell the same stuff over and over and no one listens, do you not see that? You have pretty much told your life story in every TBI spacer thread that has been started in the last few weeks and as you can see it changes no ones opinion or thought in regard to TBI spacers being bad.

The difference is that no one listens to your talk and no one believes it because usually about 3 people chime in to each thread that you are wrong.
I am saying your speech and what you preach is annoying, not you yourself. Even if I took this to a PM you would not listen to me because I don't have all this scientific professional experience that you say you have and try to spout. I am pretty sure after almost 10K posts people on here have made up their mind about me and the advice and/or opinions I give to them. I am here to impress no I have met plenty of people on here so alot know me in real life so I do not need to try to impress.

I have plenty of problems, but knowing that a TBI spacer on a TBI wet intake setup works, is not one of them. I of course know you certainly cannot be the one with the problem or your approach to posts about TBI spacers because so many have welcomed your preaching about them.

[kemble]

You follow these threads around and tell the same stuff over and over and no one listens, do you not see that? You have pretty much told your life story in every TBI spacer thread that has been started in the last few weeks and as you can see it changes no ones opinion or thought in regard to TBI spacers being bad.

The difference is that no one listens to your talk and no one believes it because usually about 3 people chime in to each thread that you are wrong.
I am saying your speech and what you preach is annoying, not you yourself. Even if I took this to a PM you would not listen to me because I don't have all this scientific professional experience that you say you have and try to spout. I am pretty sure after almost 10K posts people on here have made up their mind about me and the advice and/or opinions I give to them. I am here to impress no I have met plenty of people on here so alot know me in real life so I do not need to try to impress.

I have plenty of problems, but knowing that a TBI spacer on a TBI wet intake setup works, is not one of them. I of course know you certainly cannot be the one with the problem or your approach to posts about TBI spacers because so many have welcomed your preaching about them.

I have met you face to face, and I'd say your levelheaded and easy going.

[moogvo]

I had an entire post written before I looked and realized that you are just 21 years of age. That explains EVERYTHING about your arrogant "Know-it-all" attitude, disrespect and lack of knowledge that you have spread around this site in your cherished "almost 10K postings". That attitude might have worked in High School, but here in the real world, it will get you nowhere FAST! I haven't met you in person, and you may be a great guy, but in this thread you are nothing of the kind.

The postings I have seen from you since I have been here show your lack of knowledge and experience. I promise, you will learn MUCH more with your TWO ears and TWO eyes than you EVER will with your ONE mouth. Posting over and over on a web forum will NOT make you experienced or more intelligent. It doesn't get you any respect if you post rubbish and start fights over opinions. It is MUCH better to keep your mouth closed and allow people to think that you might be ignorant than it is to open it and prove it to them.

I have seen more things in my life than you could even begin to wrap your brain around. My phone's address book contains the names and numbers of the Nation's most respected people in automotive repair, fabrication and building. I KNOW the people who run the companies that make the very stuff you are buying! It makes no difference to me whether you listen or not, but rest assured, when someone comes in here asking questions, I will do my best to educate them, whether you agree with me, and whether you like it or not. Every time you act like a belligerent know-it-all, just know that it will only serve to show your ignorance and lack of knowledge to others, not to mention self-control.

There are a lot of people in the world who are willing to teach you about anything you want to know about, but you can't learn ANYTHING as long as you believe you already know it all.

Good luck to you in your future.

[ryan_thompson87]

I had an entire post written before I looked and realized that you are just 21 years of age. That explains EVERYTHING about your arrogant "Know-it-all" attitude, disrespect and lack of knowledge that you have spread around this site in your cherished "almost 10K postings". That attitude might have worked in High School, but here in the real world, it will get you nowhere FAST! I haven't met you in person, and you may be a great guy, but in this thread you are nothing of the kind.

The postings I have seen from you since I have been here show your lack of knowledge and experience. I promise, you will learn MUCH more with your TWO ears and TWO eyes than you EVER will with your ONE mouth. Posting over and over on a web forum will NOT make you experienced or more intelligent. It doesn't get you any respect if you post rubbish and start fights over opinions. It is MUCH better to keep your mouth closed and allow people to think that you might be ignorant than it is to open it and prove it to them.

I have seen more things in my life than you could even begin to wrap your brain around. My phone's address book contains the names and numbers of the Nation's most respected people in automotive repair, fabrication and building. I KNOW the people who run the companies that make the very stuff you are buying! It makes no difference to me whether you listen or not, but rest assured, when someone comes in here asking questions, I will do my best to educate them, whether you agree with me, and whether you like it or not. Every time you act like a belligerent know-it-all, just know that it will only serve to show your ignorance and lack of knowledge to others, not to mention self-control.
There are a lot of people in the world who are willing to teach you about anything you want to know about, but you can't learn ANYTHING as long as you believe you already know it all.

Good luck to you in your future.

Take your own advice.

[Quyonmob]

Ho-ree fock! Dis tread rox!!!111

[1988 GMC 355]

I had an entire post written before I looked and realized that you are just 21 years of age. That explains EVERYTHING about your arrogant "Know-it-all" attitude, disrespect and lack of knowledge that you have spread around this site in your cherished "almost 10K postings". That attitude might have worked in High School, but here in the real world, it will get you nowhere FAST! I haven't met you in person, and you may be a great guy, but in this thread you are nothing of the kind.

The postings I have seen from you since I have been here show your lack of knowledge and experience. I promise, you will learn MUCH more with your TWO ears and TWO eyes than you EVER will with your ONE mouth. Posting over and over on a web forum will NOT make you experienced or more intelligent. It doesn't get you any respect if you post rubbish and start fights over opinions. It is MUCH better to keep your mouth closed and allow people to think that you might be ignorant than it is to open it and prove it to them.

I have seen more things in my life than you could even begin to wrap your brain around. My phone's address book contains the names and numbers of the Nation's most respected people in automotive repair, fabrication and building. I KNOW the people who run the companies that make the very stuff you are buying! It makes no difference to me whether you listen or not, but rest assured, when someone comes in here asking questions, I will do my best to educate them, whether you agree with me, and whether you like it or not. Every time you act like a belligerent know-it-all, just know that it will only serve to show your ignorance and lack of knowledge to others, not to mention self-control.

There are a lot of people in the world who are willing to teach you about anything you want to know about, but you can't learn ANYTHING as long as you believe you already know it all.

Good luck to you in your future.

You crack me up, you are exactly right you know nothing about my life, what I have done, where I am at in life now, and where I am headed, so say all you want, but that doesn't make me any difference. I am willing to learn and have open ears when I know it is worth it, this is not one of those times.
I do not care who you know or who is in your address book, makes me no difference. I have lots of people in my phone book too, but that does not have to do with TBI spacers. You said I started the name calling and stooping to a low level, but here you are judging me based on my age, which is perfectly normal and expected over the internet, you would have a case if I was spilling info that was not true or claiming to know it all, but I am not so therefore you premises are invalid and your conclusion fails to be true.

I hope to have an address book full of cool people's numbers, famous people, and Jeremy Clarkson's number too someday.

[Doober]

In before the lock... this thread has been epic.

My $.02, wet flow spacers work, dry flow spacers don't.

[Duecepipes22]

Looks to me like you are not comparing apples to apples. The majority of this discussion has been based on a TBI spacer and a stock engine with stock exhaust and what the benefit of that single part would be. Based on what you posted, this is not the case with your configuration. If a TBI spacer is the magic that makes the machine, then why waste time and money on cams, headers, high flowing cats, roller rockers and all that other stuff? I will never understand why people get their undies in a ball over stuff like this? Ya can't even try to help people anymore without someone else feeling like they need to whip out their units and start a pissing war over it.

You are once again missing the boat here. I am the ORIGINAL POSTER. I'm going to repeat a couple of things for you one more time... A) I didn't buy the spacer, it came on the truck so therefore I'm not looking for it to take the place of a good cam or any of that other stuff. B) I don't have stock exhaust like you just falsely stated. I have Hedman long tube headers, true duals with an H pipe, no cats and thrush glass packs. I also don't have a stock cam and have had some mild porting work on the heads. Not saying I have a great combination, but it certainly isn't stock so please go back and read my original post a few more times so I can stop reminding you of these things. I have a TB spacer and want to know if I'm better off with an open bore or not. I didn't ask if I should throw it in the trash like you told me to do. That kind of advice should be thrown in the trash. I'm sure you have way more experience and knowledge than I do so if you have advice to give, do it in a less abrasive way and no one is going to say boo.

For everyone else, I really do appreciate your advice and I'm honored that a lot of you "big name" guys on here that I take your advice very seriously have taken the time to post on here.

PS I'm sorry to everyone on this forum (or you're welcome for those that have enjoyed following this) for starting a thread that has erupted out of control.

[Quyonmob]

in before the lock... This thread has been epic.

My $.02, wet flow spacers work, dry flow spacers don't.

.
Qft

[kemble]

I had an entire post written before I looked and realized that you are just 21 years of age. That explains EVERYTHING about your arrogant "Know-it-all" attitude, disrespect and lack of knowledge that you have spread around this site in your cherished "almost 10K postings". That attitude might have worked in High School, but here in the real world, it will get you nowhere FAST! I haven't met you in person, and you may be a great guy, but in this thread you are nothing of the kind.

The postings I have seen from you since I have been here show your lack of knowledge and experience. I promise, you will learn MUCH more with your TWO ears and TWO eyes than you EVER will with your ONE mouth. Posting over and over on a web forum will NOT make you experienced or more intelligent. It doesn't get you any respect if you post rubbish and start fights over opinions. It is MUCH better to keep your mouth closed and allow people to think that you might be ignorant than it is to open it and prove it to them.

I have seen more things in my life than you could even begin to wrap your brain around. My phone's address book contains the names and numbers of the Nation's most respected people in automotive repair, fabrication and building. I KNOW the people who run the companies that make the very stuff you are buying! It makes no difference to me whether you listen or not, but rest assured, when someone comes in here asking questions, I will do my best to educate them, whether you agree with me, and whether you like it or not. Every time you act like a belligerent know-it-all, just know that it will only serve to show your ignorance and lack of knowledge to others, not to mention self-control.

There are a lot of people in the world who are willing to teach you about anything you want to know about, but you can't learn ANYTHING as long as you believe you already know it all.

Good luck to you in your future.

One line in here is pretty funny. You are going to educate people based on your ideas, not FACTS.

[Doober]

PS I'm sorry to everyone on this forum (or you're welcome for those that have enjoyed following this) for starting a thread that has erupted out of control.

It's been fun to watch ;) The spacer I used is a TransDapt unit, their 'swirl-torque' unit... it doesn't have the radical swirls some others have. It seemed to do ok, but it was also with a set of TBI heads that had a poor quench area.

[xch3no2]

I'm all for plenum sharing on these, really can't hurt the low end, bound to help on top.

Cfmtech is not worth my time, too much BS - bad info - on that site.