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    Help - vortec 350 strange misfire


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    I've gone through alot of the threads on common vortec misfire problems, and it seems my problem is a little different. Trying to fix the truck for a buddy; '96 K2500 with about 150k miles.

    Here's the problem. Its gotten a progressively worse misfire, more than 2 cylinders it seems. Was misfiring only when cold before, but now does it all of the time. The curious thing, is that it does NOT set any misfire or other codes on the scanner. Here is the clue for anyone thats experienced this. The plugs on the drivers side, all of them, look wet as compared to those on the passenger's side. That's all the clues I can find.

    History on the truck; checked compression just tonight, was 179-185 PSI on all cylinders; just changed the crank, cam sensors; new distributor, new plugs, wires cap and rotor - spark is strong on all cylinders. Tried doing an injector cleaning with no help. Oil is clean; no antifreeze trail in the exhaust - just a rotten egg smell from unburned fuel.

    I'm thinking pressure regulator or multiple injector failures? Help! Thanks
    Last edited by 97sierra454; 12-08-2009 at 06:58 PM.

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    Re: Help - vortec 350 strange misfire

    check the temp sensor in the right cylinder head, or maybe the EGR valve..
    either one could cause your problems
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    Re: Help - vortec 350 strange misfire

    There isn't a temp sensor on the right cylinder head; there's the gauge sender on the left head, but that seems fine.

    I did check the EGR to see if its plugged open, and its fine. Go figure.

    I'm wondering if the FRP puked and its pouring gas into the left cylinder bank????

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    Re: Help - vortec 350 strange misfire

    You didn't say whether you had measured fuel pressure - test if the pressure is correct and/or whether it bleeds down after the pump turns off. The rotten egg smell - sure the converter on that bank isn't plugged, and causing it to struggle to run? Couple other thoughts - will your scanner measure the engine temp that the computer sees? Could be an issue with the temp sensor in the t-stat housing, especially with a cold engine. Does the motor run worse at idle and smooth out with throttle opening? Air filter plugged? Worn distributor gear?
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    Re: Help - vortec 350 strange misfire

    Update, I'm about at my wits end with this thing. I got the MFI upgrade kit, and when I got the intake opened up, it looked like the driver's side of the intake was washed with raw fuel - figured I'd solved my problem that the pressure regulator or an injector puked and were leaking inside the plenum. Well, I got the MPI kit installed and it still runs exactly the same!!!!!

    Still does not set any codes, still seems to be misfiring primarily on cyls 3 and 5. Those plugs come out wet with like raw gas. Pull the plug out and check for spark, and they both spark good. If they are sparking at the right time, I have no idea. Still no codes. Even tried an extra computer i have and it made no difference.

    Coolant temp sensor is fine (checked with scanner), and engine skips at all RPM's. Backfires under heavy load if you try to get into it, and it doesn't clear out at higher rpm's. Still doesn't show any misfires on the ECM for some reason. Checked the fuel pressure and that seems fine as well; also put in a new fuel filter. Help!!!!

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    Re: Help - vortec 350 strange misfire

    Oh, and I also tested the radiator with a pressure tester and it holds pressure fine, so I don't think there are head gasket or intake gasket problems either. Also checked the firing order several times.

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    Re: Help - vortec 350 strange misfire

    mmmmm, good one. my only guess would be a burnt vavle, have you tried a leak down test?

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    Re: Help - vortec 350 strange misfire

    That's about the only thing I haven't done at this point.... but then again, I would think that if I had a valve problem, it wouldn't have had such a good compression test result.

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    Re: Help - vortec 350 strange misfire

    well, in a nutshell its possible. try a leak down test on every cylinder

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    Re: Help - vortec 350 strange misfire

    O2 sensor or catalytic converter on that bank?

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    Re: Help - vortec 350 strange misfire

    naa, tha would cause all 4 cylinders to be fuel soaked, not just 2

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    Re: Help - vortec 350 strange misfire

    Quote Originally Posted by james_8997 View Post
    naa, tha would cause all 4 cylinders to be fuel soaked, not just 2
    Oh I guess I mis read. Thought he said the whole side was misfiring

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    Re: Help - vortec 350 strange misfire

    i would go with bad injectors...fuel comes from injectors to the cylinder...i would pressure test the FRP for a bleeding injector...

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    Re: Help - vortec 350 strange misfire

    Quote Originally Posted by childsplay View Post
    i would go with bad injectors...fuel comes from injectors to the cylinder...i would pressure test the FRP for a bleeding injector...
    He just said he replaced all the injectors with the updated MPI.
    Did the new injector pod come with a FPR?

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    Re: Help - vortec 350 strange misfire

    umm...Regulator Faulty Regulator/Weak Spring Causing a Rich Fuel Mixture. 2.Faulty or Disconnected MAP Sensor Causing a Rich Fuel Mixture.

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    Re: Help - vortec 350 strange misfire

    I did put in the new MPI injector kit, Delphi, which includes the FPR. Unfortunately, the way its running, I think it was never the problem. I tested the fuel pressure with the new injector setup, and it seemed fine.

    It did seem to foul ALL the plugs on the drivers side a little, but after the injector, it only seems to be 3 and 5 that are coming out wet.

    It does not seem to have any converter problems and will rev right up no problem. I discounted the O2 sensors as it misfires right when you fire it up, long before they are heated up and in closed loop.

    I have not checked the map sensor but I believe it was OK on the scanner.... but I don't know if it would make 2 cyls skip. Its definitely connected.

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    Re: Help - vortec 350 strange misfire

    i wouldnt be surprised if you had a computer(pcm) issue i have seen it before on the chevy same year and truck
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    Re: Help - vortec 350 strange misfire

    Quote Originally Posted by fishingjim View Post
    i wouldnt be surprised if you had a computer(pcm) issue i have seen it before on the chevy same year and truck
    I thought so maybe too, but I tried another computer I had, and it misfired right away and seemed to run exactly the same.

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    Re: Help - vortec 350 strange misfire

    does your truck have a inertial shut off switch...did you perform a wet an dry compression check...the truck is 13 yrs old...re check all your work...

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    Re: Help - vortec 350 strange misfire

    the computers from the trucks are different they have to be programmed to work in the different trucks you cant just swap them

 

 
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