rollinstyle
10-22-2001, 07:40 PM
A kid at my school just got a system in his 3000GT. I'm not sure how big his amp is, but he's got 1 12" SoloBaric, and claims he got 2nd at a little stereo competition hitting 145.8 db. Is that possible w/ 1 12"!!!
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Funk
10-22-2001, 08:07 PM
very possible.. I watched a guy with 1 15" kicker comp hit 162 over my two 15" comps hitting 156
Its about about the box and power
Its about about the box and power
Polecat
10-23-2001, 02:55 PM
New here. I work for Kicker and that number can be had in the right install. Tell him congrats for us!
BigChevMan
10-23-2001, 03:03 PM
Originally posted by rollinstyle
A kid at my school just got a system in his 3000GT. I'm not sure how big his amp is, but he's got 1 12" SoloBaric, and claims he got 2nd at a little stereo competition hitting 145.8 db. Is that possible w/ 1 12"!!!
I hit 129 with one 10" JL in the back of my truck in a undersize sub box...so yeah..it's definitely possible....
A kid at my school just got a system in his 3000GT. I'm not sure how big his amp is, but he's got 1 12" SoloBaric, and claims he got 2nd at a little stereo competition hitting 145.8 db. Is that possible w/ 1 12"!!!
I hit 129 with one 10" JL in the back of my truck in a undersize sub box...so yeah..it's definitely possible....
rollinstyle
10-23-2001, 06:00 PM
The funny thing is that he's got over 2 grand in his system, and he doesn't turn 16 until Feb.
Funk
10-23-2001, 08:00 PM
Originally posted by Polecat
New here. I work for Kicker and that number can be had in the right install. Tell him congrats for us!
we need to talk after I finish my system next month
I'm running all kicker products.. an ad would be nice (we can all dream can't we) :D
I think you'll be impressed with it though. 2 12" kicker comps under my rear seat.
kicker impulse coaxils in my rear doors
kicker impulse coaxils in my front doors
kicker resolution nd25 tweets in front door
and kicker 370(can't remember the number) amp on the subs.
:batman:
New here. I work for Kicker and that number can be had in the right install. Tell him congrats for us!
we need to talk after I finish my system next month
I'm running all kicker products.. an ad would be nice (we can all dream can't we) :D
I think you'll be impressed with it though. 2 12" kicker comps under my rear seat.
kicker impulse coaxils in my rear doors
kicker impulse coaxils in my front doors
kicker resolution nd25 tweets in front door
and kicker 370(can't remember the number) amp on the subs.
:batman:
Polecat
10-25-2001, 09:44 AM
Sounds like a great system, can you send me a few pics of your truck via email?
EDIT: Scratch that, checked website.......duh? Looks great! Did you put it on our show gallery on our website?
EDIT: Scratch that, checked website.......duh? Looks great! Did you put it on our show gallery on our website?
HENRY
10-25-2001, 10:01 AM
145, smorty five, Ive heard bass at those decibles and it sounded terrible. At what frequency was that measure?
Some of you mobile bass freaks need to hear loud clean bass, the kind that you cant even hear, only feel.
Im glad i started in Home Theater, Maybe its bad, I am so picky when it comes to music of any kind now. There definitely is a difference between lots of bass, and lots of clean, tight, bass. Of course its all subjective since what you like isnt always what i like.
Ive never heard a Home Theater woofer hit decibles up as high as some of these woofers in vehicles are claiming to hit, but i have heard 10 hz frequencies at 115 db's and its no joke!
Ive heard 20 hz frequencies at 128 db's too!!
Some people have better hearing than others, but humans cant really hear down past 20hz after that, you mostly just feel the bass.
I guess the main difference with sound pressure between a vehicle and a Home Theater is that the enclosure in a Home Theater is basically your room and thats much larger than a vehicle so it sounds so much different.
In the end, i love bass wether its in a vehicle or home, but i prefer the home :D
Some of you mobile bass freaks need to hear loud clean bass, the kind that you cant even hear, only feel.
Im glad i started in Home Theater, Maybe its bad, I am so picky when it comes to music of any kind now. There definitely is a difference between lots of bass, and lots of clean, tight, bass. Of course its all subjective since what you like isnt always what i like.
Ive never heard a Home Theater woofer hit decibles up as high as some of these woofers in vehicles are claiming to hit, but i have heard 10 hz frequencies at 115 db's and its no joke!
Ive heard 20 hz frequencies at 128 db's too!!
Some people have better hearing than others, but humans cant really hear down past 20hz after that, you mostly just feel the bass.
I guess the main difference with sound pressure between a vehicle and a Home Theater is that the enclosure in a Home Theater is basically your room and thats much larger than a vehicle so it sounds so much different.
In the end, i love bass wether its in a vehicle or home, but i prefer the home :D
TR02Yukon
10-25-2001, 07:31 PM
Yes those SPL's are usually obtained by what they call burping and total disregard to distortion and sound quality. A good 12" driver is lucky to hit high 120's to extremely low 130dbs with sustained music.
Henry where did you hear 10hz at 115db. That is an almost impossible figure to obtain in HT.
Henry where did you hear 10hz at 115db. That is an almost impossible figure to obtain in HT.
TR02Yukon
10-25-2001, 07:35 PM
BTW, I'm installing a Mass 2012 in my yukon very soon.
http://www.audiomobileinc.com
http://www.audiomobileinc.com
Funk
10-25-2001, 07:46 PM
Originally posted by Polecat
Sounds like a great system, can you send me a few pics of your truck via email?
EDIT: Scratch that, checked website.......duh? Looks great! Did you put it on our show gallery on our website?
Not yet Im waiting till I finish the box and vinyl it.
Sounds like a great system, can you send me a few pics of your truck via email?
EDIT: Scratch that, checked website.......duh? Looks great! Did you put it on our show gallery on our website?
Not yet Im waiting till I finish the box and vinyl it.
Funk
10-25-2001, 07:48 PM
Originally posted by TR02Yukon
Yes those SPL's are usually obtained by what they call burping and total disregard to distortion and sound quality. A good 12" driver is lucky to hit high 120's to extremely low 130dbs with sustained music.
Henry where did you hear 10hz at 115db. That is an almost impossible figure to obtain in HT.
Kicker's can hit those easily without distortion if installed correctly.
I've used Kicker subs since I was 13 and I wouldn't use anything else, they are built solid as a rock.
Yes those SPL's are usually obtained by what they call burping and total disregard to distortion and sound quality. A good 12" driver is lucky to hit high 120's to extremely low 130dbs with sustained music.
Henry where did you hear 10hz at 115db. That is an almost impossible figure to obtain in HT.
Kicker's can hit those easily without distortion if installed correctly.
I've used Kicker subs since I was 13 and I wouldn't use anything else, they are built solid as a rock.
TR02Yukon
10-25-2001, 07:54 PM
Originally posted by Funk
Kicker's can hit those easily without distortion if installed correctly.
I've used Kicker subs since I was 13 and I wouldn't use anything else, they are built solid as a rock.
The Mass sub I bought was tested by the king of subwoofers who's name is Tom Nousaine. He has probably heard more subs compared to anyone on this planet. He tests subs for Car Stereo Review, Sensible Sound, Stereo Review and a couple others. When he tested the Mass 2012 last year it was the loudest 12" sub he had ever tested. He uses the same proceedures as much as possible, optimum box size, same car(corvette) and so on. Point is, this is the loudest sub he had tested and he only obtained 129.1db. I think I'll believe Tom Nousaines measurements. Buy some car mags and you'll see almost all "killer high excursion" 12" drivers measure maximums around 126 to 128db with music and many normal drivers way below.
Here is the review:
http://www.m-emag.com/reviews/reviews.html?reviewID=9
Kicker subs are great subs but far from the best at everything, no such thing exists. I'd put the Mass 2012 up to one anytime, best thing is it costs less than $300!
PS add 3db to my figures if the box is ported. Add another 3db if you are comparing two drivers sharing the same wattage. Add another 3db if you are comparing 2 drivers and doubling the amp power.
Kicker's can hit those easily without distortion if installed correctly.
I've used Kicker subs since I was 13 and I wouldn't use anything else, they are built solid as a rock.
The Mass sub I bought was tested by the king of subwoofers who's name is Tom Nousaine. He has probably heard more subs compared to anyone on this planet. He tests subs for Car Stereo Review, Sensible Sound, Stereo Review and a couple others. When he tested the Mass 2012 last year it was the loudest 12" sub he had ever tested. He uses the same proceedures as much as possible, optimum box size, same car(corvette) and so on. Point is, this is the loudest sub he had tested and he only obtained 129.1db. I think I'll believe Tom Nousaines measurements. Buy some car mags and you'll see almost all "killer high excursion" 12" drivers measure maximums around 126 to 128db with music and many normal drivers way below.
Here is the review:
http://www.m-emag.com/reviews/reviews.html?reviewID=9
Kicker subs are great subs but far from the best at everything, no such thing exists. I'd put the Mass 2012 up to one anytime, best thing is it costs less than $300!
PS add 3db to my figures if the box is ported. Add another 3db if you are comparing two drivers sharing the same wattage. Add another 3db if you are comparing 2 drivers and doubling the amp power.
Polecat
10-26-2001, 08:45 AM
Originally posted by TR02Yukon
The Mass sub I bought was tested by the king of subwoofers who's name is Tom Nousaine. He has probably heard more subs compared to anyone on this planet. He tests subs for Car Stereo Review, Sensible Sound, Stereo Review and a couple others. When he tested the Mass 2012 last year it was the loudest 12" sub he had ever tested. He uses the same proceedures as much as possible, optimum box size, same car(corvette) and so on. Point is, this is the loudest sub he had tested and he only obtained 129.1db. I think I'll believe Tom Nousaines measurements. Buy some car mags and you'll see almost all "killer high excursion" 12" drivers measure maximums around 126 to 128db with music and many normal drivers way below.
Kicker subs are great subs but far from the best at everything, no such thing exists. I'd put the Mass 2012 up to one anytime, best thing is it costs less than $300!
I will agree that the MASS is an awesome woofer, has high excursion, but that doesn't mean a thing in SQ. If you are using it for an SPL competition, yes. But I know the owner of Audiomobile ( Matt Overpeck) and he will be the first to admit with high power in a small sealed enclosure, it has great output. Even though the woofer sensitivity is lower than some,including our L7. But when you get a woofer comparison in the manufactures 'reccommended' enclosure, the L7,DD,Cerwin Vega Stroker,etc get a ton louder over the MASS or EVO.
And granted it does have great SQ, and Matt is trying to get some of those woofer in SQ cars, but yet hasn't gotten them into any that compete in either Pro or Expert in USAC or IASCA. IASCA was last weekend, and we did well as a company, we had 5 World Champions, set 2 new World Records in SPL, and a total of 47 trophies. So we did well, but if you look for the "best" woofer out there, there are to many variables to set that to any woofer.
As far as getting loud with just a burp, last year in USAC, in order to go for the new World Record in Extreme SPL, you had to actually find a note in the song Flashdance. You had to one, match the song to meet the HZ you are trying to hit, and get the song to react to the interior of the particular vehicle. I was there and work days with the tech crew on Alma Gates Bronco. And these are read on a B&K meter, not Audio Control, which is NASA approved, so readings are alot lower. So they used to have to do it to music, but this year they changed the ruiles again to test tones.But any street car can do 145db off a regular CD that you jam to, like Tool. So it can be done with music, just better with a test tone to match the vehicle.
The Mass sub I bought was tested by the king of subwoofers who's name is Tom Nousaine. He has probably heard more subs compared to anyone on this planet. He tests subs for Car Stereo Review, Sensible Sound, Stereo Review and a couple others. When he tested the Mass 2012 last year it was the loudest 12" sub he had ever tested. He uses the same proceedures as much as possible, optimum box size, same car(corvette) and so on. Point is, this is the loudest sub he had tested and he only obtained 129.1db. I think I'll believe Tom Nousaines measurements. Buy some car mags and you'll see almost all "killer high excursion" 12" drivers measure maximums around 126 to 128db with music and many normal drivers way below.
Kicker subs are great subs but far from the best at everything, no such thing exists. I'd put the Mass 2012 up to one anytime, best thing is it costs less than $300!
I will agree that the MASS is an awesome woofer, has high excursion, but that doesn't mean a thing in SQ. If you are using it for an SPL competition, yes. But I know the owner of Audiomobile ( Matt Overpeck) and he will be the first to admit with high power in a small sealed enclosure, it has great output. Even though the woofer sensitivity is lower than some,including our L7. But when you get a woofer comparison in the manufactures 'reccommended' enclosure, the L7,DD,Cerwin Vega Stroker,etc get a ton louder over the MASS or EVO.
And granted it does have great SQ, and Matt is trying to get some of those woofer in SQ cars, but yet hasn't gotten them into any that compete in either Pro or Expert in USAC or IASCA. IASCA was last weekend, and we did well as a company, we had 5 World Champions, set 2 new World Records in SPL, and a total of 47 trophies. So we did well, but if you look for the "best" woofer out there, there are to many variables to set that to any woofer.
As far as getting loud with just a burp, last year in USAC, in order to go for the new World Record in Extreme SPL, you had to actually find a note in the song Flashdance. You had to one, match the song to meet the HZ you are trying to hit, and get the song to react to the interior of the particular vehicle. I was there and work days with the tech crew on Alma Gates Bronco. And these are read on a B&K meter, not Audio Control, which is NASA approved, so readings are alot lower. So they used to have to do it to music, but this year they changed the ruiles again to test tones.But any street car can do 145db off a regular CD that you jam to, like Tool. So it can be done with music, just better with a test tone to match the vehicle.
HENRY
10-26-2001, 11:44 AM
Henry where did you hear 10hz at 115db. That is an almost impossible figure to obtain in HT.
Yes and usually either very expensive or time consuming, or both :).
8 DIY dual Shiva cylinders :D
But any street car can do 145db off a regular CD that you jam to,
Im not familiar with these competitions, do they even have a frequency standard for measuring this? 145 db at what hz?
the king of subwoofers who's name is Tom Nousaine
You can say that again!!!
Hows this for Home Theater Bass:
If any of you know HT speakers, you know that the Paradigm 100's on the right are down right awesome for music and bass.
The square sub on the left is a Paradigm servo 15 (kicks ass), the cylinder on top is an SVS woofer tuned to 20hz.
The Servo-15 extends to 14Hz and can reproduce frequencies at 115dB in a typical listening room without any audible distortion. Its internal amp is 400 watts RMS.
there is an exact set like this in both corners of the room for a total of 2 servo's and 2 SVS's.
Add a Paradigm PS-1000 to the rear of the room for surround bass, and youve got crazy, house shaking bass!! :D
-courtesy Trevor Schell
P.S. I dont work for them, nor get anything for this, but if your interested in the BEST production sub for your money,
SVSubwoofers.com (www.svsubwoofers.com)
Yes and usually either very expensive or time consuming, or both :).
8 DIY dual Shiva cylinders :D
But any street car can do 145db off a regular CD that you jam to,
Im not familiar with these competitions, do they even have a frequency standard for measuring this? 145 db at what hz?
the king of subwoofers who's name is Tom Nousaine
You can say that again!!!
Hows this for Home Theater Bass:
If any of you know HT speakers, you know that the Paradigm 100's on the right are down right awesome for music and bass.
The square sub on the left is a Paradigm servo 15 (kicks ass), the cylinder on top is an SVS woofer tuned to 20hz.
The Servo-15 extends to 14Hz and can reproduce frequencies at 115dB in a typical listening room without any audible distortion. Its internal amp is 400 watts RMS.
there is an exact set like this in both corners of the room for a total of 2 servo's and 2 SVS's.
Add a Paradigm PS-1000 to the rear of the room for surround bass, and youve got crazy, house shaking bass!! :D
-courtesy Trevor Schell
P.S. I dont work for them, nor get anything for this, but if your interested in the BEST production sub for your money,
SVSubwoofers.com (www.svsubwoofers.com)
TR02Yukon
10-26-2001, 12:18 PM
Polecat,
I agree there is no "best" sub as it all depends what one is after SQ, SPL, enclosure design available amp power and so on. I'm acquainted with Matt as well and built the Dual Mass Home Theater sub that is shown on his website.
I really find it hard to believe 145db is "easily" obtained in a car while keeping SQ and distortion to a minimum with only a "single" twelve inch and bumping along with music. Basically the only way this will be done is using a burp or music with a ton of dynamic range and disregard to distortion. The box would need to be ported and tuned to the resonant frequency of the car (which is usually rather high in frequency so SQ suffers)and have a ton of amp power.
Last year record holders for Street Finals where anywhere between 149-155db and all of those guys tweek their system to death have mega amp power and most used two subs and smallish vehicles. None are using sealed subs to my knowledge as well.
Henry,
I'm familiar with Trevor, he posts over at HTF he has a nice system owns some of the same speakers I do, the Paradigm Studio 100's. I know the Tom Vodhannel of SVS Subwoofers well, he helped get me get on the HT sub building band wagon. IMHO they are the "BEST" home theater sub for the money and then some, if anyone has the ability to build their own they can easily better them for about the same money.
BTW The servo 15 was tested by Tom Nousaine and the lowest loudest frequency he could measure with 10% distortion was 107.3dB /21hz so 15hz is pushing it with this sub. It is a killer sub still and one of the best normal money can buy.
Here is a great list of his results going from best to worst performing.
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/uub/Forum14/HTML/039198.html
I agree there is no "best" sub as it all depends what one is after SQ, SPL, enclosure design available amp power and so on. I'm acquainted with Matt as well and built the Dual Mass Home Theater sub that is shown on his website.
I really find it hard to believe 145db is "easily" obtained in a car while keeping SQ and distortion to a minimum with only a "single" twelve inch and bumping along with music. Basically the only way this will be done is using a burp or music with a ton of dynamic range and disregard to distortion. The box would need to be ported and tuned to the resonant frequency of the car (which is usually rather high in frequency so SQ suffers)and have a ton of amp power.
Last year record holders for Street Finals where anywhere between 149-155db and all of those guys tweek their system to death have mega amp power and most used two subs and smallish vehicles. None are using sealed subs to my knowledge as well.
Henry,
I'm familiar with Trevor, he posts over at HTF he has a nice system owns some of the same speakers I do, the Paradigm Studio 100's. I know the Tom Vodhannel of SVS Subwoofers well, he helped get me get on the HT sub building band wagon. IMHO they are the "BEST" home theater sub for the money and then some, if anyone has the ability to build their own they can easily better them for about the same money.
BTW The servo 15 was tested by Tom Nousaine and the lowest loudest frequency he could measure with 10% distortion was 107.3dB /21hz so 15hz is pushing it with this sub. It is a killer sub still and one of the best normal money can buy.
Here is a great list of his results going from best to worst performing.
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/uub/Forum14/HTML/039198.html
Polecat
10-26-2001, 12:52 PM
Originally posted by TR02Yukon
I really find it hard to believe 145db is "easily" obtained in a car while keeping SQ and distortion to a minimum with only a "single" twelve inch and bumping along with music. Basically the only way this will be done is using a burp or music with a ton of dynamic range and disregard to distortion. The box would need to be ported and tuned to the resonant frequency of the car (which is usually rather high in frequency so SQ suffers)and have a ton of amp power.
I just stated that it could be done off a regular CD with regular music. I just had a friend do it two weeks ago in a 96 Z28 with two Solobaric 12's facing down in a sealed enclosure.(woofer out of the box) off Tool CD on an Audio Control.But for competition vehicles, that's easy to do. I have a friend that did 4000 watts on a single L715" and did a 158.3.
None are using sealed subs to my knowledge as well. [b] I agree, ported is now the way to go.
I really find it hard to believe 145db is "easily" obtained in a car while keeping SQ and distortion to a minimum with only a "single" twelve inch and bumping along with music. Basically the only way this will be done is using a burp or music with a ton of dynamic range and disregard to distortion. The box would need to be ported and tuned to the resonant frequency of the car (which is usually rather high in frequency so SQ suffers)and have a ton of amp power.
I just stated that it could be done off a regular CD with regular music. I just had a friend do it two weeks ago in a 96 Z28 with two Solobaric 12's facing down in a sealed enclosure.(woofer out of the box) off Tool CD on an Audio Control.But for competition vehicles, that's easy to do. I have a friend that did 4000 watts on a single L715" and did a 158.3.
None are using sealed subs to my knowledge as well. [b] I agree, ported is now the way to go.
Polecat
10-26-2001, 12:56 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Henry C
Im not familiar with these competitions, do they even have a frequency standard for measuring this? 145 db at what hz?[/i]
Just at some popular shows, nothing like IASCA and USAC or MECA. Kids don't know what test tones to use, so they just play a CD of a boomy song and get the best reading they can. But used to in USAC, Flashdance was a song and you get to choose what note at what time.
Im not familiar with these competitions, do they even have a frequency standard for measuring this? 145 db at what hz?[/i]
Just at some popular shows, nothing like IASCA and USAC or MECA. Kids don't know what test tones to use, so they just play a CD of a boomy song and get the best reading they can. But used to in USAC, Flashdance was a song and you get to choose what note at what time.
HENRY
10-26-2001, 02:23 PM
BTW The servo 15 was tested by Tom Nousaine and the lowest loudest frequency he could measure with 10% distortion was 107.3dB /21hz so 15hz is pushing it with this sub.
Your correct, and i knew that, i was just quoting Paradigms webpage :)
Your also correct in that, even tho only 21 @ 107, The servo is one of the best out there. Musically speaking as well.
Kids don't know what test tones to use, so they just play a CD of a boomy song and get the best reading they can. But used to in USAC, Flashdance was a song and you get to choose what note at what time.
Cool :)
BTW, anybody do MP3 in their vehicle?
I wanted opinions on the best MP3 unit out there. I was thinking of either the Fosgate unit (dont remember model) or the Kenwood Z828.
Your correct, and i knew that, i was just quoting Paradigms webpage :)
Your also correct in that, even tho only 21 @ 107, The servo is one of the best out there. Musically speaking as well.
Kids don't know what test tones to use, so they just play a CD of a boomy song and get the best reading they can. But used to in USAC, Flashdance was a song and you get to choose what note at what time.
Cool :)
BTW, anybody do MP3 in their vehicle?
I wanted opinions on the best MP3 unit out there. I was thinking of either the Fosgate unit (dont remember model) or the Kenwood Z828.
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