what's your opinion on this?

[ur2hi]

everyone please vote. quality work or hack job?

http://f10.putfile.com/7/18521073463.jpg

http://f10.putfile.com/7/18521094289.jpg

[iceman7329]

Quality work my ass.

[MOChev]

Whoever performed this work isn't qualified to work on a wheel barrel

[chicksdigit]

welds look :puke:

[1996Silverado]

You actually need a poll on this? :rolleyes:

[shinnick66]

http://dezertrangers.com/iB_html/uploads/post-2-92984-v7.jpg
http://dezertrangers.com/iB_html/uploads/post-2-09464-SteelBlades5.JPG
http://dezertrangers.com/iB_html/uploads/post-2-17855-dang.jpg
http://www.steelmancycles.com/Photos/raw_bb_weld2_opti.jpg
http://www.cryenco.com/images/photos/shop19.jpg
http://dezertrangers.com/iB_html/uploads/post-2-27321-budcans.jpg
Now thats some good work! None of witch is mine. But I can do better than what you posted.

[AZdragger]

:word:

those are some good welds there :D


here at work, all our welders: pipe fitters, sheetmetal, and structural steel have to be certified and we've got one of the best and most knowledgeable QA/QC guys in the business which have to inspect ever weld. needless to say i don't see that many bad welds on my projects and most of the time that it does occur they only lay a few beads before they stop and it's often an issue with teh welding machine whether it's arch, oxy/acet., mig, or tig :D

[1badgmc]

Holy crap! Is that your truck?? :eek:

[ur2hi]

Holy crap! Is that your truck?? :eek:

no way bro :mexsmoke:

the guy that did that work to his own truck is talking sh*t about my friends truck. this is my friends truck and the frame he is building for it (mccustomize)

http://www.streetsourcemag.com/uploads/Ownerprofiles/mccustomize/821200423234PM54731.jpg

http://www.streetsourcemag.com/uploads/Ownerprofiles/mccustomize/725200670126AM70901.jpg

http://www.streetsourcemag.com/uploads/Ownerprofiles/mccustomize/725200670223AM22161.jpg

[1badgmc]

Oh, ok. Phew! I was getting worried! :LOL:

[Dukemaster]

Bahaha looks like he used liquad metal for everything!

[Starr]

2 people voted quality work. lol I wouldn't let that guy weld on my lawnmower.

[CamaroGuy87132]

wow.. :looking:

[myfirstGMC]

its a quality hack job!

[Kruznlow69]

thats kinda fugly.. but damn...... "shinnick66" those pics of welds are absoulty beautiful.. whomever did all that has some great knowledge of welding..

[GWC]

boy i thought i was a bad welder :weld: ,but that guys SUCKS BAD:whacko: i would be skeered to ride in somthing he welded on :D
seems like its allways the guys that talk smack that suck

[shinnick66]

Yeah them guys do some badass work. Pictures came form a thread over on dezertrangers.com

[stimpy13]

That weld has to be a joke. Right? :scared:

[Timbo1969]

That looks like noobie practice welds with a mig welder..

[cxpcman]

http://dezertrangers.com/iB_html/uploads/post-2-27321-budcans.jpg
Now thats some good work! None of witch is mine. But I can do better than what you posted.

weld over rust is not a good idea :( ..damn ...

i see some warp in those cans :D

[Mavmavv]

I see nothing wrong with it.

Can I get a phonenumber for who did it? I need some work done.

[Quyonmob]

I see nothing wrong with it.

Can I get a phonenumber for who did it? I need some work done.
:LOL:

Just bring your truck to any grade 8 auto shop class. They can take care of work like that.

[low_clazz]

just for the record, the guy who did these welds DOES NOT claim for his welds to be the ****. i dont know him but he is a regular on another forum...practice makes perfect so you cant really clown on him.

and if im not mistaking, just becuz a weld is pretty doesnt mean it'll hold better than an ugly one? doesnt it matter about penetration anyways? im not a welder so i dont really know (or care for that matter).

[Quyonmob]

just for the record, the guy who did these welds DOES NOT claim for his welds to be the ****. i dont know him but he is a regular on another forum...practice makes perfect so you cant really clown on him.

and if im not mistaking, just becuz a weld is pretty doesnt mean it'll hold better than an ugly one? doesnt it matter about penetration anyways? im not a welder so i dont really know (or care for that matter).
Penetration is what make a weld worth while, a pile of boogers on top of rust, ground down to look better, isnt great.

I'm not gonna trash him, as a person, but I hope that truck with that weld isnt on the same highway as me when it lets go.

[muteboy49]

yes penetration is the key to a good weld. i made cleaner welds than that the first time i picked up a MIG torch... and im retarded...
like for real

[ur2hi]

just for the record, the guy who did these welds DOES NOT claim for his welds to be the ****. i dont know him but he is a regular on another forum...practice makes perfect so you cant really clown on him.

and if im not mistaking, just becuz a weld is pretty doesnt mean it'll hold better than an ugly one? doesnt it matter about penetration anyways? im not a welder so i dont really know (or care for that matter).

doesnt every one want quality work done on their own ride? if you arent capable to do something you should let someone who is do it. his front suspension isnt where he needs to be practicing welding. thats what scrap metal is for. what gives him to right to talk about someone elses work? here's a pic of my setup that mccustomize did and it sure looks like quality work to me (over 2 years later and not a single problem)

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/2108000-2108999/2108468_19_full.jpg

[Mavmavv]

just for the record, the guy who did these welds DOES NOT claim for his welds to be the ****. i dont know him but he is a regular on another forum...practice makes perfect so you cant really clown on him.

and if im not mistaking, just becuz a weld is pretty doesnt mean it'll hold better than an ugly one? doesnt it matter about penetration anyways? im not a welder so i dont really know (or care for that matter).

So you defend someone reguarding a subject you know nothing about? Those welds are reason enough to clown on him. Hes putting himself and every single other person on the road at risk. Its plain ole not safe.

Modding trucks is fun and cool, but do it right for gods sake.

[mccustomize]

thanks for the opinions guys this guy has been talking some major trash on another forum and he needs to be aware of his own faults

[low_clazz]

So you defend someone reguarding a subject you know nothing about? Those welds are reason enough to clown on him. Hes putting himself and every single other person on the road at risk. Its plain ole not safe.

Modding trucks is fun and cool, but do it right for gods sake.he's not on this forum so i took it upon myself to say somthing in his defense. for example...say deaf person is getting in an arguement with someone over being deaf. i walk over, knowing nothing about being deaf mind you, and defend him. from what your saying, i had no right to defend him? your a tard. :thud:

[Low88]

porosity city baby.


and he should gusset that bag mount.



I have seen MUCH WORSE at MANY shows though. I wouldnt put my life on that truck at all, but there are some trucks out there that blow my mind.

[Mavmavv]

he's not on this forum so i took it upon myself to say somthing in his defense. for example...say deaf person is getting in an arguement with someone over being deaf. i walk over, knowing nothing about being deaf mind you, and defend him. from what your saying, i had no right to defend him? your a tard. :thud:

Or you should mind your own business and stick to things you actually have a clue about... :think:

[low_clazz]

Or you should mind your own business and stick to things you actually have a clue about... :think:are still talking...and, arent you not minding your own business? :gay: you can go all your life trying to show me up, but i am a Texan and you got a LONG way to go.:worship:

[slammins15]

It looks like he welded those using a 12 volt battery those are pathetic and if you welded like that here your truck would get taken off the road indefinetly.

[KuzIKan]

..practice makes perfect so you cant really clown on him.



Yes, practice does make perfect, but practicing on a vehicle that not only you have to depend on, but people around you depend on and assume is safe when it's not one bit....then yes, we can clown on him. He is taking my life, a childs life, a grown ups life, maybe even your family members life in his hands when he "practices" welding on his vehicle....

[Kid_Rock_GTX]

Those welds got porosity like a MOFO :eyecrzy:, guarantee its from piss poor metal prep! They are very cold welds :whyme:, globbered on top of other cold welds with poor penatration :eek:. There is a glob of some kind of metal in the first pic, in the lower left right above the bag. :wtf: I just can't even tell what's going on with that. His metal finishing abilitys suck ass, :read: all the base metal is undercut. As a matter of fact the frame is undercut like crazy for no reason, thats just uncalled for. :slap: That much undercuting of base metal and he still couldnt smooth out the welds :thud:. He didnt prep any metal before welding :badidea:, like grind the mil scale or rust off. His joint fitment is absolte junk, just cause a mig can fill a 1/2 gap dont mean you have too :read: . The bag plate is not gusseted like it should of been. This guys needs to learn some basic :rules: about welding and fabercation. This kind of work gives the sport truck hobby a bad rep. I give him :1stars: for at least trying to do something. But all in all this makes me wanna :puke:!!!! Well I'll get off my :soapbox: now.

[Timbo1969]

are still talking...and, arent you not minding your own business? :gay: you can go all your life trying to show me up, but i am a Texan and you got a LONG way to go.:worship: What does being a Texan have to do with it???.. If you don't know anything about welding then you shouldn't try to defend a guy that can't weld that is making fun of a guy who welds very well... If the guy needs defending then bring him over and let him defend himself..:judge: :twak:

[Mavmavv]

What does being a Texan have to do with it???.. If you don't know anything about welding then you shouldn't try to defend a guy that can't weld that is making fun of a guy who welds very well... If the guy needs defending then bring him over and let him defend himself..:judge: :twak:

Dude, dont mess with Texas! :loser:

I can see where this is going, and im not even gonna bother, and I suggest you dont bother arguing with people like this. Morons will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. :D

[Timbo1969]

-Dude, dont mess with Texas! :loser:

I can see where this is going, and im not even gonna bother, and I suggest you dont bother arguing with people like this. Morons will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. :D:LOL: You're right but it is fun sometimes..:D

[speedaddict]

but i am a Texan and you got a LONG way to go.:worship:don't understand why "where your from" would make a difference...if the welds suck, they suck...in Egypt, suck in France, suck in the state of CA, suck in TX, they just suck....PERIOD. Defend it all you want...his welds still suck.

[Timbo1969]

don't understand why "where your from" would make a difference...if the welds suck, they suck...in Egypt, suck in France, suck in the state of CA, suck in TX, they just suck....PERIOD. Defend it all you want...his welds still suck.:LOL::owned:

[low_clazz]

with every post i begin to see how retarded the newer fullsizechevy people have gotten. never once did i defend his ****ty welds...only defended him as a person. i understand, you would like to believe i defended his welds...that way you have something to biitch about...but needless to say, i defended him as a person and not his welds. so in truth, you whored up this thread...for no reason. on behalf of the whores in this thread, i apologixe to you ur2hi, they ruined your rant.:wink:

[thekl0wn]

If those pics came off of that guy's truck, then he shouldn't be talkin' smack about anybody else's ride! His truck looks extremely dangerous, and just plain sloppy!

[Timbo1969]

with every post i begin to see how retarded the newer fullsizechevy people have gotten. never once did i defend his ****ty welds...only defended him as a person. i understand, you would like to believe i defended his welds...that way you have something to biitch about...but needless to say, i defended him as a person and not his welds. so in truth, you whored up this thread...for no reason. on behalf of the whores in this thread, i apologixe to you ur2hi, they ruined your rant.:wink: The guy you defended was talking trash about someone who welds very well on another forum. That is why he got flamed here. One who can't weld has no business talking smack about the work of someone who welds very well. That was the jist of it. Then you come in and try to defend the guy, and you get flamed, because his character has already been fatally wounded over here. Now if he were to come to this site and defend himself with what he actually said, or explained himself that might change the attitude toward him.

[mccustomize]

the guy was basically talking trash about fullsizes in general, he told me my sfbd on 24's was "just another fullsize with big wheels" nevermind the plans for a chop top, huge motor, all kinds of body mods, it's just "another fullsize" even though he has hacked up his first truck so bad he is trying to just sell it instead of finishing it. and his new truck looks like it's headed for the same destiny and low_clazz, we were never attacking him as a person, just his piss poor views on the hobby and workmanship of building trucks.

[low_clazz]

Then you come in and try to defend the guy, and you get flamed
LMFAO!!! i hardly call that flaming. it's only flaming if i actually gave a crap...as far as i know he wasnt talking **** about the fullsize's welding...and i'd back a fullsize guy over a minitrucker any day...i just love listening to people like you look fawkin stupid and start internet brawls.:tongue: :idiot:

[Timbo1969]

Vatevah youngster.. The only one really looking stupid is you..:assclown:

[mccustomize]

point is someone who does work like that shouldn't be talking smack to ANYONE!

[Timbo1969]

point is someone who does work like that shouldn't be talking smack to ANYONE! Amen to that!!!!

[thekl0wn]

point is someone who does work like that shouldn't be talking smack to ANYONE!

:word:

[Quyonmob]

:word:x2

[cxpcman]

well welds are bad but if he keeps the welds like that he will become the Grinding Master.

[Timbo1969]

well welds are bad but if he keeps the welds like that he will become the Grinding Master.:LOL:

[ih8you]

Where are the links to where this guy is bashing you? I can understand what he is saying about just another fullsize with big wheels. If your truck is going to look anything like that shaved shitbox on intro 24's then he is right. The problem with the scene is people do every mod possible with no regard to how it is going to affect the overall finished look of the vehicle. Little time is actually spent planning the truck and all the time goes to execution.

I know the guy whose truck your posting about. He's a nice guy and is trying his best. He is learning as he goes. He knows he has room to improve and is overall very humble about his abilities. I have not known this guy to talk shit in the manner that you describe.

[mccustomize]

the threads got deleted on the other forum, but he says something about everything I do when he has no experience with it and doesn't know what he's talking about, example he criticized the angle that the bags on the rear of my frame are at, when they are at a perfect angle fully compressed and a lot better angle than most front suspensions when fully aired up, also he has never bodydropped anything so what gives him the right to talk shit about ANY bodydropped truck? I have never commented or said anything bad about him until he started talking shit about my frame because honestly the people who start to talk shit are most likely the people who are the most jealous of you also what truck are you talking about on 24's?

[low_clazz]

Where are the links to where this guy is bashing you? I can understand what he is saying about just another fullsize with big wheels. If your truck is going to look anything like that shaved shitbox on intro 24's then he is right. The problem with the scene is people do every mod possible with no regard to how it is going to affect the overall finished look of the vehicle. Little time is actually spent planning the truck and all the time goes to execution.

I know the guy whose truck your posting about. He's a nice guy and is trying his best. He is learning as he goes. He knows he has room to improve and is overall very humble about his abilities. I have not known this guy to talk shit in the manner that you describe.exactly my point.

[Outlawcrewcab]

and his reply is
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k268/xlowerx/ca99c671.jpg

[ur2hi]

Outlawcrewcab

whats your honest opinion about his work?

[Outlawcrewcab]

no matter how good or how bad your work is theres always gona be haters deal with it!!!

[cxpcman]

i read a poster today that says something like this (don't remember exactly):

"Work is a self-portrait of the person who did it .sign it with quality"

:D

[ur2hi]

no matter how good or how bad your work is theres always gona be haters deal with it!!!

so, no comment then?

[ur2hi]

im not trying to hate on anyone. i dont know him, maybe he's a good guy. i just want your professional opinion, since you do own a shop that does quality work. if a customer brought their truck to you with this setup, what would you say?


maybe you can give some pointers or something. let him know what he's doing wrong so he can get better.

[Kid_Rock_GTX]

let him know what he's doing wrong so he can get better.


I dont own a shop, Im not a professional, and I dont claim to be any good at life. but read my post (#35) these are alot of things I seen that where wrong and could be different. It might not of been the most nice/professional way to put it but hey im not god.

I think outlaw might agree on some of my points, but im sure since he does own a shop and since he is professional he would be able to exlaborate on what I have already said and also point out a bunch more stuff I didnt see.

[ih8you]

You don't have to be a professional to own a shop, a professional hack can have a shot just as easily as anyone else can. I doub't you'll get more of an answer out of Joe than what he already said. Part of being a professional is knowing when to hold them and when to fold them. If your work is good let it stand for itself regardless of what someone else thinks. I saw a limited amount of your framework and it looks fine. But getting all bent out of shape over what someone who is obviously at a lower skill level than you currently are is retarded.

On another note if I see a thread where someone points out how pretty their welds are as proof that they can fabricate I am gonna ****ing puke. My dad has been welding in a professional capacity for over 25 years, does that mean he know's shit about suspension? HELL NO. A pretty weld does not eqaul fabrication.

Regardless of any amount of talent the accused may possess his actions speak far louder than talent and words, he would not get my buisness purely based on the way he carried him self as a working professional. Notice Joe said a minimal amount of anything, never agreed or disagreeg but his point was valid, Joe would get my buisness. That and he's a hell of alot closer and I have delt with him in the past, he's a regular poster on my forum, has helped alot of people in our community out etc etc....

Anyways if I were you I would work more on your professionalism and jobs currently under way than what one guy in Austin has to say. Lets your work speak for itself, hater's will come and go your reputation is forever.

[lowryder99]

I can't see the pics but if that guy's fabrication skills are as good as his tatoo picking out skills then I wouldn't even sit in a vehicle that dude welded on :crazy:

As for ih8you's post, true amazing weld's don't equal amazing fabricator....BUT if you ARE a amazing welder chances are you took a lot of time, patience and skill to get to that level so chances are that WILL rub off on anything else you do.

I.E. I can't see a guy who took years of practice perfecting the art of welding just to go and dog eff a suspension set up and do no research....chances are if you excel at welding you will excel at fabricating because you take the time to do research and homework.

[ih8you]

I can't see the pics but if that guy's fabrication skills are as good as his tatoo picking out skills then I wouldn't even sit in a vehicle that dude welded on :crazy:

As for ih8you's post, true amazing weld's don't equal amazing fabricator....BUT if you ARE a amazing welder chances are you took a lot of time, patience and skill to get to that level so chances are that WILL rub off on anything else you do.

I.E. I can't see a guy who took years of practice perfecting the art of welding just to go and dog eff a suspension set up and do no research....chances are if you excel at welding you will excel at fabricating because you take the time to do research and homework.


I wish that were true in every case but it isnt. Everybody has to start out somewhere, nobody lays a beutifully stacked, perfectly aligned, temp controlled fully penetrating weld the first time. Had some of the greats in our scene been discouraged from the get go perhaps they never would have progressed to the level they had today. I realize this is a stretch but so far this guy and his buddy have accused Paul of all this talking, but cannot prove it b/c the thread got "deleted". I have never heard what forum this supposedly took place on, nor have I seen anything substantiating their claim that could not be construed as pure heresay. I know Paul and have known him for a few years and this sounds out of character for him. I'll vouch for him any day of the week. His work may need improvement but he is practicing on a daily basis and continues to hone his skills as time passes by. I have no doubt that the end result of this truck will not be something alot of people can admire, I know his plans and he has accomplished alot more than most of us have in the short amount of time he has been working on the truck. His dilligence will pay off in the long run.

[Mavmavv]

and his reply is

Wow. Looks like a real winner there...

[Mavmavv]

I wish that were true in every case but it isnt. Everybody has to start out somewhere, nobody lays a beutifully stacked, perfectly aligned, temp controlled fully penetrating weld the first time. Had some of the greats in our scene been discouraged from the get go perhaps they never would have progressed to the level they had today. I realize this is a stretch but so far this guy and his buddy have accused Paul of all this talking, but cannot prove it b/c the thread got "deleted". I have never heard what forum this supposedly took place on, nor have I seen anything substantiating their claim that could not be construed as pure heresay. I know Paul and have known him for a few years and this sounds out of character for him. I'll vouch for him any day of the week. His work may need improvement but he is practicing on a daily basis and continues to hone his skills as time passes by. I have no doubt that the end result of this truck will not be something alot of people can admire, I know his plans and he has accomplished alot more than most of us have in the short amount of time he has been working on the truck. His dilligence will pay off in the long run.

And you like his big pee pee, AMIRITE!?

[Outlawcrewcab]

i know i always say i wish i was in high school again but thats just for the girls ........

[Mavmavv]

i know i always say i wish i was in high school again but thats just for the girls ........

Im just messin around man, everyone is about to cry over some internet BULL$HIT. I mean really, someone says something stupid over the INTERNET and people get their panties in a wad.

[mccustomize]

well having someone talk shit in front of potential customers is something I will not lay down and take, personally I have never said anything to paul or anything about him until every thing I did I posted he said something about, so I guess your right, there will always be haters, at least you can tell who the most jealous ones are, and I for one do not brag about my work or say I am the shit, I simply put my work on display and let it speak for itself, I will be the first one to tell you that my truck is not AMAZING or THE SHIT but I am proud of it because I built it and built it with the idea of it lasting my lifetime

[Kid_Rock_GTX]

:deadhorse

[lay low 87]

there are very very few MASTER welders who can weld cans together...torch heat control on aluminum that thin takes serious skill. damn.

[Mavmavv]

well having someone talk shit in front of potential customers is something I will not lay down and take, personally I have never said anything to paul or anything about him until every thing I did I posted he said something about, so I guess your right, there will always be haters, at least you can tell who the most jealous ones are, and I for one do not brag about my work or say I am the shit, I simply put my work on display and let it speak for itself, I will be the first one to tell you that my truck is not AMAZING or THE SHIT but I am proud of it because I built it and built it with the idea of it lasting my lifetime

Good deal. I didnt know you had potential customers. Thats all bad.

And like you said, being proud of your own work is priority number one.

[mccustomize]

hey ih8you since you wanna be a smartass about the topics thatgot "deleted" as you put it here you go

http://minisinmotion.com/Forum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=425

[shaved80]

but he says something about everything I do when he has no experience with it and doesn't know what he's talking about

MDIZZLE?! :LOL:

[lorado]

i didnt know they offered welding classes for the blind:eyecrzy:

[ih8you]

hey ih8you since you wanna be a smartass about the topics thatgot "deleted" as you put it here you go

http://minisinmotion.com/Forum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=425

Didn't know I was being a smartass, please accept my least sincere apolgies. The thread you have linked to is a vague one about post's being removed b/c of drama. It does not tell what type of drama occured be it shop shit talking or talking about your loved ones dirtboxes... we may never know. If I were you instead of continually making yourself look like a childish ass I would remove the aformentioned panties from your ass and ask an admin/mod to delete this thread. While he may have "talked shit" about your work in front of potential customers that was done in a controlled enviroment where potential damage to your shops reputation would have been at a minimal. Now though you have brought the attention to center stage for everone to see how foolish you truly are capable of being. If you do let your work speak for itself then please post some examples and don't follow the pics with some witty remark about how do I like dem apples etc. etc.

[Outlawcrewcab]

there once was a story about a man named jed. poor mountiner bearly kept his familey fed. then one day while shooting at some food, up through the ground came a boubling crude.

[mccustomize]

just the facts sir, it's what I do

[comegetsome]

and then the kin folks said "jed move away from there"

[mccustomize]

btw comegetsome your truck is badass

[comegetsome]

thanks man...built her with me own 2 hands

[jcchevy]

!!!warning!!!
this is a disclaimer to this guys passengers,
"please place sticker in highly visble area. If you read this please step out of vehicle, as vehicle has been modified and may not be safe".
can someone print this and make a sticker out of it for him to place on the glove compartment.

JK...:) they will probably hold up just fine...maybe