Fastest stock truck?

[Firestrike87]

I was just curious, I hear all sorts off people saying Hemi's beat Chevy's, the Titan can beat the Hemi, but what is the fastest stock 4X4. This excludes like the SS, and Lightning, but for a stock 4 wheel drive truck, which is supposed to be the fastest in the quarter mile or 0-60?

[turbogunz]

hemi is tops !!!! speaking from seeing them race quadcab hemi beat titan extcab both 4wd and also my 04 silverado with a 5.3 and then beat a 6.0 reg cab long bed hd so ive seen the hemi win over and over ill get those hemi bastards someday lol

[Danielson]

hemi is tops !!!! speaking from seeing them race quadcab hemi beat titan extcab both 4wd and also my 04 silverado with a 5.3 and then beat a 6.0 reg cab long bed hd so ive seen the hemi win over and over ill get those hemi bastards someday lol


I had to read that 3 times before understanding what you were trying to say.

Ive always heard it like this

Hemi=#1
Titan=#2
chevy=#3
ford=#4

[Atomic]

isnt the srt10 optional 4 wheel drive?...

[turbogunz]

haha sorry about my wording ...lol.....but u got it right
hemi
titian
chevy
ford:shortbus:

[TampaCCSB]

I had to read that 3 times before understanding what you were trying to say.

Ive always heard it like this

Hemi=#1
Titan=#2
chevy=#4
ford=#5

Damn I think I need to go back to school... I thought 3 came after 2?

[baddazzZ71]

im not all sure about that order.. ive seen titans, both crew and ext.cab 4x4's running low 7's to 60. the last time i saw an ext.cab hemi ram run 60 was 8.2 to 60. now if u put a reg/cab short bed hemi, ud run numbers like that. my truck STOCK ran a 7.7 to 60. i only know that because i have a g-tech meter in my truck.

[Danielson]

Damn I think I need to go back to school... I thought 3 came after 2?


Oh no i messed up. Now you made me feel bad Im super serial

[B n H Boy]

Anyone know what an 8.1 chevy will do against a hemi? I do know the hemi's are fast but ive heard they dont haul a load any better than a 6.0

[ColoradoTitan]

Please don't crucify me, I'm not trying to be biased here, but the Titan is the fastest stock truck of the lists provided above. Their HP and torque ratings are amongst the highest and the Titan also has the lowest driveline loss of any of the 1/2 ton trucks on the market. The Titan is also not the heaviest truck as well. On top of that, the Endurance engine is underrated for what it puts out stock. Dyno tests are showing higher numbers than what is advertised. The Endurance has alot of potential for more power to be pulled out of it. Nissan is keeping a tight lid on the codes to tune it. Independent companies are just starting to crack the codes. Nissan is notorious for underrating their engines.

Now, if you don't believe me, or don't want to believe the above information, that's your choice. But there is quite a bit of info on other sites to back it up. There are raw real world numbers and experiences that paint this picture true. Mods are still somewhat limited for the Titan, and they will come in time. But until then, the Big 3 have that advantage and have the capabilities of doing more.

[Danielson]

Titans are quick but Ive heard there rearends are kinda weak.

[ColoradoTitan]

The early Titans, 2004 and some 2005 models, had some issues. A few Titan forums have compiled a list of rear end failures and 63 is the number of reported failures that they show. I don't have the number from the other site. There have been 78 complaints put into the NHTSA as well. Most of these are from the 2004 model year and a few from the 2005 model year. Not alot compared to the 90,000 or so that Nissan hase built in each year. None have been reported for 2006. Apparently, Nissan started putting in a new rearend mid year 2005 or 2006. Nothing Nissan announced, just a quiet change to fix the problem. Also, you do know that Nissan does not build the rear end right? It's a Dana rear end.

So yes, Nissan did have a problem with the rearends, but not as wide spread as some would think. Nissan has warrantied them and has, hopefully, fixed the problem. Another problem they had were front brake problems in the 2004 and early build 2005's. They remedied that problem and went the distance. Larger rotors and new pads on the fronts, machined the rears and new pads on the rears. On top of that, Nissan gives you a 3 year unlimited mileage warranty on the brakes!!! Personally, I think Nissan stepped up to the plate on this one. They goofed and made up for it. Too small of rotors seem to be a common thing amongst all the full size truck manufacturers.

[ColoradoTitan]

Sorry for the thread jack. I know this thread is all about which truck is the fastest stock. I was responding to the previous comment.

End thread Jack.....

[Danielson]

Well ill thread jack once more just curious how much did you pay for your titan? Crewcab,4x4 what options

[99silveradoguy]

Syclones were capable of accelerating from 0-60 mph in under 5 seconds and could do a quarter-mile run in about 13 seconds. :patriot:

[ColoradoTitan]

I picked up a new 2005 Titan Crew Cab 4x4 with the big tow package for $26,500. The big tow package comes with: Class IV hitch and wiring, trans temp guage (Trans cooler as well), Tow mode, large power tow mirrors that slide in and out and I think different shocks for stability. It also came with the package (can't think of the name) with power drivers seat, power sliding (Up/down) back window and power sliding pedals. It also came with the utilitrak system in the bed, spray in bed liner, running boards, Rockford Phosgate stereo system with amp and 10" sub, captains chairs and invisible front bra.

[tdoyle]

Syclones were also not "stock 4x4" pickups (yes I know they had AWD...its not the same). As specified by the topic starter, trucks like the SS and the Lighting are excluded and I'd say the Syclone definitely is in that group.

[phatchevy06]

The Titan is not faster then a 4WD 6.0L equipped Chevrolet. All you guys are comparing the 5.3L. The vortec max will outrun the HEMI & Titan trucks...not to mention out haul and out pull them. They chevys put down more RWHP and RWTQ stock to the rear then the Dodge and Nissan.

EDIT: Oh and all the other guys better watch out...the new trucks will be dangerous (speed wise) :read:

[94stepside5.7]

Isn't the DURAMAX DIESEL the fastest? I think they can just about EAT anything out there stock.

[phatchevy06]

If he wants to compare diesel platforms...then yeah...the 6.6L will eat anything stock vs stock in the 4WD class.

[NHSilverado]

Okay here we go :soapbox:

IMO based on actual ownership of, or at least driving, the vehicles listed. Also, we are talking STOCK vehicles here not modded ones. Mod's change everything as different engines respond differently to them.

1 - HEMI 5.7L & GM 6.0L Max about even
2 - 5.3L GM & 5.6L Titan about even
3 - Tundra 4.7L
4 - F150 5.4L Triton
5 - GM 4.8L & Dodge 4.7L
6 - Ford 4.6L Triton

I am not going into the older trucks & engines that are no longer made like the OBS trucks with the 350, Dodge Rams with the 360, 302 & 351 Fords, and the like. Strictly speaking about current models which I believe was the intent of the post. Also, the GM 8.1L and Ford and Dodge V10's are not listed because they are HD truck engines and are for pulling. Not that they can't be and aren't fast but they make their power down low and are at a disadvantage in a race.

Hands down the HEMI is the fastest truck I have owned or driven. HANDS DOWN! Not trying to start anything but just how it is. I had an 04 Quad Cab 1500 SLT 4X4 and it would absolutely destroy my 05 Silverado 1500 Extended Cab 4X4 with the HO 5.3L. Would not even be close.

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g159/gsthunder/04Ram8.jpg
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Same exact size tires and basically the same gearing as well( 3.55's for Dodge & 3.42's for Chevy ). Even though the Chevy is quite a bit lighter the engine just does not have the same power. The best way I can compare them would be to equate the HEMI to an old BB muscle car and the Chevy to a SB muscle car. Both are powerful but one just is so much more so. Punch the HEMI and it sucks you into the seat like a rocket launch and it just pulls harder and harder as they RPM's climb. Punch the 5.3L and it just has a mild and steady pull and you just don't accelerate as fast bottom line.

I like the Chevy and it has all the power I need but in a race the HEMI would eat it up and crap it out. If the race was to see who could pass the most gas stations, instead of a normal 1/4 mile or road race, then the Chevy would win easy. :naughty: Again I LOVE MY CHEVY so don't label me a Dodge troll. Just being honest and answering the question.

The one real chance that has nothing to do with the driver some of these other trucks besides the 6.0L would have against a HEMI Ram would be in extreme heat. The HEMI hates heat and really loses power. The difference when you floored it say during the middle of an August day when it is 90 and hummid vs flooring it on an August night when it is down to 75-80 and much less hummid is amazing. The HEMI definitely prefers cooler temps. Heat is it's achillies heal. :CR:

It is possible, maybe even probable, that the GM 1500 6.0L Vortec MAX trucks could take a HEMI Ram however. Lighter truck with same power numbers( 5 ftlbs advantage to GM )usually means the lighter truck wins. I have not driven or ridden in a 6.0L Vortex MAX truck though unfortunately so I am strictly going by on paper statistics. On paper anyway the 1500 6.0L MAX trucks should have the edge. A good HEMI driver that gets a launch though might win it. I think the 5.7L HEMI vs the 6.0L Vortec MAX would be one hell of a race. :head: Would be like the old HEMI vs Buick 455 muscle car days when they were so close the race came down to the actual drivers skill, ability to hook up, reaction times, etc... more then the vehicles raw power.

I have driven a lot of Titans and sorry to the guy who posted who owns one but brother you wouldn't want to match that sucker up against a HEMI and run for a pink slip. At least not against someone who knows how to drive. If you do so then keep it to an 1/8 mile track and steer clear of the 1/4 mile and highway for your race. The Titans are "quick" but they are not fast and they fall off fast once the speed gets up there. I see nothing from then that suggests Nissan underrates them power wise. Off the line they are really quick and pull fast but it doesn't take long for a HEMI to catch and pass them. I never lost to a Titan when I had the HEMI. Frankly it was never even close.

Because of how the Titan guys were always bragging about how they would spank HEMI's, and the magazines kept posting faster times( which I had trouble believing ), I went and drove a bunch of them BEFORE matching up against one( hey I am not stupid ). Man was I "unimpressed" to say the least. I drove every cab and 2WD/4WD version and they were a real disappointment based on the bragging and the hype.

Plenty of power and plenty fast but not in the HEMI's league. No offense to you if you like your truck but watch out racing a HEMI if the other guy knows what he is doing because you will lose 99 out of 100 times all factors being equal. I really question those magazine articles most times. They always seem to get some completely different numbers then what goes on in the real world. My HO 5.3L EC Silverado would be a closer and more equal matchup to the Titans I drove.

The V8 Tundras actually are pretty peppy. They aren't quite as big as the other full size trucks and thus the less powerful 4.7L V8 Toyota uses can do more with the truck. Strictly speaking racing they would beat a 5.4L F150 and fall short of the GM 5.3L and Titan 5.6L.

The Ford 5.4L Triton is a real towing workhorse. Makes it's power much lower in the RPM band and thus makes a great engine for a tow and work truck. Racing not so much. My Brother has always been a Ford guy and his last few have had the 5.4L. Man you could pull a tree out of the ground with one of those engines but if it started falling toward the truck you are dead because they can't get out of their own way if you floor it. Not up to the other bigger engines like the HEMI, 5.3L. 5.6L Titan and such. They would even have trouble with the smaller GM 4.8L and Dodge 4.7L if the other driver was more skilled.

The GM 4.8L and the Dodge 4.7L are pretty equal. I had an 03 1500 Ram Quad Cab SLT 4X4 before the HEMI and it had the 4.7L. I test drove quite a few 4.8L GM's before buying my current Chevy and it was pretty equal. They aren't bad engines and both had some pep but no top end and they just wouldn't stand up to the bigger engines out there with the exception maybe of the 5.4L Ford. I actually think a lot of guys who brag about easy HEMI kills( be it with a GM, Nissan, whatever )actually raced a 4.7L Ram not a HEMI. :whyme: The 4.8L's higher power numbers give it the edge over the 4.7L from Dodge for sure, especially in the lighter GM bodies, but overall it is about the same performance level from the 2 compared to the bigger V8's is my point.

The Ford 4.6L is a DAWG!:pow: That thing is an embarrassment to V8 truck engines everywhere. Man a Honda Ridgeline could smoke a 4.6L F150.

Anyway, none of this is to start any kind of war. Just answering the guys question. Hands down the HEMI Ram is the fastest truck out there that isn't a specialty one like the guy brought up( ie; Lightning, Harley Davidson, SRT-10, Joe Gibbs, etc... ). The GM 6.0L 1500 Vortex MAX is the ONE truck that I think can stay with it. or even consistantly beat a HEMI, when all factors are equal. It has the advantage on paper with the power to weight ratio. On paper doesn't always translate to actual real world results though. Wish I could drive one to see then I would know better.

[B n H Boy]

So is that ranking system based on actual numbers or a drivers opinion?

[phatchevy06]

99% of everything in this thread is opinion. I wish I could back up my statements with numbers...but unfortunately I've only had personal experience and seen them at the track :D ...oh....not to mention running a few myself.

[1500chevy5.7l]

ok i know we talk a lot on here...and every one has there opionios...but question ok what about the 5.7 trucks from chevy.... know i know were talking 4x4 but i have a 5.7l fully built and i am sure i can spank on a hemi i have taken down a titan easily...so my question is what will the stock 5.7l stand up to on our list so far we have only compared the 5.3l

[phatchevy06]

Yeah my truck isn't all that modded and I took a brand new Titan with exhaust and intake down like he was a Geo Metro. No comparison at all...period. He was so pissed....he even asked me if I had a 383 or 454 in my truck cause I spanked him so bad :LOL: I have also taken a 5.7L HEMI with a programmer and beat him too...these 350's deserve more credit then they get...but they aren't TOO TOO great completely stock....however, it doesn't take much to make good numbers with these.

[1500chevy5.7l]

see us 5.7l's are good for our time sure were not an 06 model but dam we can spank the hemi and titans mabey not a duramax but dam there strong....

[stook]

Syclones were capable of accelerating from 0-60 mph in under 5 seconds and could do a quarter-mile run in about 13 seconds. :patriot:
i would love to own that truck. i would like to own one day but to get a decent onwe with low miles cost wut they cost new back in the day,.... 26k


i always thought the titan was faster then the hemi.

[Randy_W]

The GM 6.0L 1500 Vortex MAX is the ONE truck that I think can stay with it. or even consistantly beat a HEMI, when all factors are equal. It has the advantage on paper with the power to weight ratio. On paper doesn't always translate to actual real world results though. Wish I could drive one to see then I would know better

Well that test has happened in 5-6 magazines, the Vortec Max won them all. As for the 4.7 vs 4.8, I've owned both and both are strong for their size but the Chevy has 40-50 h.p. advantage and it shows, my '02 with 4.8 would kill my '02 Dodge with the 4.7, both were reg cab/sb 2wd, the Dodge had 3.55 gears, the Chevy 3.42's. The Chevy was 6-8 lengths faster to 100 m.p.h. The Dodge had crank windows and rubber mats while the Chevy was loaded, but it still weighed 300lbs less. 5.3 vs Hemi will go to the Hemi all things being equal, but remember the difference in displacement is greater between the Hemi (5.7) and the 5.3 than it is between the Vortec Max and the Hemi.
Now the engine in my current play truck is the same size as the Hemi, (5.7 LS1) it's completely stock and even has the truck intake, injectors and tuning. It's several car lengths faster to 100 m.p.h. than my wife's Z/28 that runs 14.00's. That's the engine GM should have offered in the 2wd sport trucks.:cool:

[phatchevy06]

Well that test has happened in 5-6 magazines, the Vortec Max won them all. As for the 4.7 vs 4.8, I've owned both and both are strong for their size but the Chevy has 40-50 h.p. advantage and it shows, my '02 with 4.8 would kill my '02 Dodge with the 4.7, both were reg cab/sb 2wd, the Dodge had 3.55 gears, the Chevy 3.42's. The Chevy was 6-8 lengths faster to 100 m.p.h. The Dodge had crank windows and rubber mats while the Chevy was loaded, but it still weighed 300lbs less. 5.3 vs Hemi will go to the Hemi all things being equal, but remember the difference in displacement is greater between the Hemi (5.7) and the 5.3 than it is between the Vortec Max and the Hemi.
Now the engine in my current play truck is the same size as the Hemi, (5.7 LS1) it's completely stock and even has the truck intake, injectors and tuning. It's several car lengths faster to 100 m.p.h. than my wife's Z/28 that runs 14.00's. That's the engine GM should have offered in the 2wd sport trucks.:cool:
Good post :thumbup:

[baddazzZ71]

well i dont post to much on here, i had an earlier post on this topic though. i would bet my truck and then some on a vortec max beating any 1/2 4x4, gauranteed. ive smoked a hemi,titan,triton and i-force, with the 5.3. the problem is that the hemi is "kinda" slow off the line,once it gets goin its like a train. the 5.3's arent all that fast off the line either,however it rev's like nobody's..if the 5.3 falls short anywhere its the 4speed..compared to the 5speed in the hemi. all we can hope for is someone to have all respeceted trucks line up, bumper to bumper and run-em....im waiting.

[NHSilverado]

So is that ranking system based on actual numbers or a drivers opinion?

If you are asking me about my post it would be actual driver's experience. I wouldn't really use the word "opinion" because it doesn't apply to my post except for the GM 6.0L comments. What I posted is what I experienced driving the vehicles listed. Real world hands on and not based on paper stats or some magazine article written by biased editors. The opinion in this case would only apply to the 6.0L comments because I have never driven one and was going by paper stats.

To rank them by the "numbers"( I assume you mean HP & FTLBS ) frankly would not be accurate. The on paper numbers mean nothing. All they do is give you a starting point for comparison sake. How the truck uses the power the engine has is what counts and that is why you just can't go by the engine numbers. All kinds of factors from gearing, to tranny, to weight, to tire size, and so on effects how the truck performs.

If you went strictly by the engine numbers the ranking would look different then I listed it above for those vehilces. Again, I have driven them all and listed them by what I experienced.

If you want to rank them by power numbers it would look like this...

1 - GM 6.0L Vortec MAX( 345HP & 380FTLBS )
2 - 5.7L HEMI( 345HP & 375FTLBS )
3 - Nissan 5.6L( 317 HP & 385FTLBS - this is WAY overrated based on driving them )
4 - GM HO 5.3L( 310HP & 335FTLBS )
5 - Ford 5.4L( 300HP & 365FTLBS )
6 - GM 5.3L 295HP & 335FTLBS )
7 - GM 4.8L 285HP & 295FTLBS )
8 - Toyota 4.7L( 271HP & 313FTLBS )
9 - Ford 4.6L( 248 HP & 298FTLBS )
10 - Dodge 4.7L( 235HP & 295FTLBS )

[NHSilverado]

Well that test has happened in 5-6 magazines, the Vortec Max won them all. As for the 4.7 vs 4.8, I've owned both and both are strong for their size but the Chevy has 40-50 h.p. advantage and it shows, my '02 with 4.8 would kill my '02 Dodge with the 4.7, both were reg cab/sb 2wd, the Dodge had 3.55 gears, the Chevy 3.42's. The Chevy was 6-8 lengths faster to 100 m.p.h. The Dodge had crank windows and rubber mats while the Chevy was loaded, but it still weighed 300lbs less. 5.3 vs Hemi will go to the Hemi all things being equal, but remember the difference in displacement is greater between the Hemi (5.7) and the 5.3 than it is between the Vortec Max and the Hemi.
Now the engine in my current play truck is the same size as the Hemi, (5.7 LS1) it's completely stock and even has the truck intake, injectors and tuning. It's several car lengths faster to 100 m.p.h. than my wife's Z/28 that runs 14.00's. That's the engine GM should have offered in the 2wd sport trucks.:cool:

Randy;

No offense man but I just don't believe in these magazine tests. They come up with results and performance numbers that just never seem to match up with what you see out in the real world. I really think most of these editors are as biased as those of us on these boards and it effects the legitimacy of what they come up with. I have no doubt that a 6.0L Vortec MAX can hang with a HEMI and take one consistantly. I do believe though that it would be very close and the HEMI could win it's share. I certainly won't discard that notion because some magazines say it isn't so. If I ever get to drive one and it is a huge difference, then I will change my stance.

As to the 4.8L vs 4.7L( Dodge )thing. I know the 4.8L is faster. Actually I said it was. I was just kind of lumping them together in kind of a bracket type area performance wise. Neither of them has the upper RPM power to stay with the bigger engines. They are good little engines but that is all they are = little. I fully understand the GM would pound the Dodge though. When I said they were basically even performance wise I simply meant quick off the line, quick reving, but limited top end and they fall off fast once you start hitting 70MPH+.

Hey, there are TONS of engines that were offered in the past that could take a current HEMI. Don't mistake my high praise for them as meaning I think it is the ultimate engine or anything. I have personally owned vehicles that would have blown my Ram away like it was sitting still( those were MOPARS as well but hey... ). Of the current offerings out there though it is at or on the top vs the others. The only real competition I see is the GM 6.0L Vortec MAX. Well, until these new Chevy and GM trucks hit the streets with their increased power numbers. We don't know yet how they will perform. I wonder though if they will be as fast as the 99-07 Classics though? The ones I have seen are HUGE. I wonder if the weight has gone up. The NBS 07 Silverado's at the local dealer look half again as big as a Ram so I wonder about the weight of them? Might negate the extra power. Time will tell.

It's all in fun anyway with me. I can see the good in all vehicles. Now, if Dodge ever decides to put the 6.1L HEMI( used in SRT Charger and Jeeps )into the Rams then everyone else better look out. 425HP & 420FTLBS!!!!! They were going to start putting them in the HD line/Power Wagons, and then into the 1500's after that, just like they did with the 5.7L but that has apparantly been scrapped with the fuel crisis. If it ever does happen though that will be one mean truck.

[phatchevy06]

I'm sure he mean't numbers as far as track results...and you really need to drive a vortec max....then come back here and tell us how you now realize it can kill the HEMI 5.7L with ease :read:

[chevytodd]

3.42's for Chevy ). Punch the 5.3L and it just has a mild and steady pull and you just don't accelerate as fast bottom line


With that gearing I'm not surprised you feel you don't accelerate as fast. Try one with a 3:73 or a 4:10. I've driven HEMI Dodges as well. Personally it they feel any quicker than a 5.3 just my opinion.

[sleeper357]

most of the experiences we all have is on the street so anything can happen, but at the track the v-max is tops on the list.

[tritonite]

i raced my friends 2wd hemi and i spanked him till my govoner kicked in so numbers dont mean **** to me....and i get better gas milage

[stook]

i raced my friends 2wd hemi and i spanked him till my govoner kicked in so numbers dont mean **** to me....and i get better gas milage
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a60/stook36/sign0103.gif seriously wut do u drive to beat him?? engine mods ect... because right now i call shinanagans

[Randy_W]

It's all in fun anyway with me. I can see the good in all vehicles. Now, if Dodge ever decides to put the 6.1L HEMI( used in SRT Charger and Jeeps )into the Rams then everyone else better look out. 425HP & 420FTLBS!!!!! They were going to start putting them in the HD line/Power Wagons, and then into the 1500's after that, just like they did with the 5.7L but that has apparantly been scrapped with the fuel crisis. If it ever does happen though that will be one mean truck.

Chevy is showing a Silverado 427 at the SEMA show that is basically production ready, if the market is there. 525 h.p. 6 speed auto or manual.

As for the magazine tests, I only put so much stock in them as far as numbers are concerned but the trends are usually accurate. In this case the Hemi has always been faster than the 5.3 and the Vortec Max has always been faster than the Hemi.:wink:

[PowerHouse]

1500 6.0 VMAX

Period.

[gmsales2006]

Well, I don't know about the racing part, I only kept mine stock for 2 months before the lift and tires, but I do know that the stock Vortec Max is one quick truck, even lifted it is no slouch and I don't feel the need to regear it.

[NHSilverado]

With that gearing I'm not surprised you feel you don't accelerate as fast. Try one with a 3:73 or a 4:10. I've driven HEMI Dodges as well. Personally it they feel any quicker than a 5.3 just my opinion.

Well, 1st off I have driven Silverados with 3.73's and 4.10's and they weren't as fast as the HEMI Ram either. 295HP & 335 FTLBS vs 345HP & 375FTLBS takes care of the better gearing and weight difference. If you want to change the gearing to make your argument then compare a 3.73 or 4.10 Silverado to a 3.92 Geared Ram and put 17's on the Ram as well( not the heavy stock 20's ). I drove a friends 05 HEMI Ram with 3.92's that he put some smaller factory 17's on and that thing was SCAREY!

My Hemi Ram only had 3.55's so I am comparing apples to apples when I compare it to my EC with the 3.42's. The Ram was heavier being a Quad Cab so any tiny advantage it had with the 3.55's vs the 3.42's was offset by the weight savings of the Chevy. Both had exactly the same size and brand of tire even. Both were 4X4 auto's. The list goes on and on. Heck, they were both even blue if that makes some happy. :biggrin:

I know it is a Chevy site but people need to wake up. The HEMI is not overrated and no you don't routinely spank them with 4.3L V6 or 4.8L Silverados. The 5.3L is also not going to walk all over them "stock".

The 6.0L is the competition for the Hemi and those 2 engines are the current king of the streets "stock". Who knows whhat is coming down the line or even what the NBS 2007+ GM truck will do performance wise? At least through 07 ( and the 07 GM Classics )the HEMI and 6.0L are the two top dogs.

Bottom line.

[phatchevy06]

The HEMI isn't overrated at all...it just doesn't put down enough power to the rear wheels :LOL:

The HEMI will no doubt spank the 5.3L though....that's given...but when you take pretty much the same motor (6.0L) with close power ratings, the tables turn....bottom line :D

There isn't a need for any more arguing guys :slap:

[turbogunz]

well im back my friend just put his super chips in his hemi which only has a super 40 muffler and an aem bruteforce intake and with superchips all i can say is holy **** for a truck that thing moves we saw 120 b4 letting off on a back country road and it was still pulling and som e kids in a tundra with an exhaust tried playing around and from 0 -90 we pulled about 15-20 trucks on them it wasnt even funny from a dead stop layin down 12 ft of posi rubber on dry pavement with new copperat's on 20 **** stock trucks but as far as they go hemi wins then the battle of chevy and titans and somewhere in the back is the fords and tundras thats nothing ive read thats what ive driven and seen with my own eyes and yes my friend has an 05 fx4 theres a hemi qc my 5.3 ec sb and a new titan ec sb that my friends dad owns so i have experience with them all from stock to some bolt ons and all i can say is gimmie my damn hot tune and intake so i can catch my friends freakin hemi good bye too all have fun with the rest of this post and if any wanna play and are in upstate ny hit me up me and my friends are always looking for new people to play with:guns: :aniteef:

[phatchevy06]

:LOL: You get to experience your friends HEMI with mods and a tuner and you automatically think they take the cake?....Give me a vortec max with the same mods as your friend....he'll wish he never saw the bowtie :LOL:

[Danielson]

well im back my friend just put his super chips in his hemi which only has a super 40 muffler and an aem bruteforce intake and with superchips all i can say is holy **** for a truck that thing moves we saw 120 b4 letting off on a back country road and it was still pulling and som e kids in a tundra with an exhaust tried playing around and from 0 -90 we pulled about 15-20 trucks on them it wasnt even funny from a dead stop layin down 12 ft of posi rubber on dry pavement with new copperat's on 20 **** stock trucks but as far as they go hemi wins then the battle of chevy and titans and somewhere in the back is the fords and tundras thats nothing ive read thats what ive driven and seen with my own eyes and yes my friend has an 05 fx4 theres a hemi qc my 5.3 ec sb and a new titan ec sb that my friends dad owns so i have experience with them all from stock to some bolt ons and all i can say is gimmie my damn hot tune and intake so i can catch my friends freakin hemi good bye too all have fun with the rest of this post and if any wanna play and are in upstate ny hit me up me and my friends are always looking for new people to play with:guns: :aniteef:


Ill race the hemi:sniper:

[Rusty Lugnuts]

You guys see this video?

http://videos.streetfire.net/search/vortec+max/0/e6f41c1b-ac0a-4300-9287-25410ccb05b2.htm

[Randy_W]

Ill race the hemi:sniper:

I'll take a piece as well!:biggrin:

[Sambo]

The HEMI isn't overrated at all...it just doesn't put down enough power to the rear wheels :LOL:

The HEMI will no doubt spank the 5.3L though....that's given...but when you take pretty much the same motor (6.0L) with close power ratings, the tables turn....bottom line :D

There isn't a need for any more arguing guys :slap:
:word: Sign me up. I have been looking to race and hemi and a titan for awhile but no luck yet. I also have some supermaxx long tube headers and high flow cats sitting in my living room waiting to be put on this weekend.

[94stepside5.7]

You guys see this video?

http://videos.streetfire.net/search/vortec+max/0/e6f41c1b-ac0a-4300-9287-25410ccb05b2.htm
I saw that video, the Hemi owner was very mad, even with all the mods he had he still lost, LOL.

[turbogunz]

i diddnt mean the whole ( come and play ) thing as a threat i was serious its always fun to get a bunch of cool guys and nice trucks together to play !!!!! and no i havnt drivin a max yet so i wasnt comparing it but a stock truck 6.0 or 5.3 rather .....that was an awsome race though id love to have a max with my 3.73 gears or the 4.10's im putting in in the spring that would be a nasty almost stock truck so dont hate me lol im always be chevy through and through

[ToyHauler]

the problem is you can get a hemi on a base 1/2ton SCSB 2wd. and the vmax as far as i can see you cant. on the chevy website the ss gets the high output 6.0 and the 1500hd gets @300 hp 6.0. so stock to stock the SCSB 1500 ram has to be the fastest.

according to the autochannel.com the best power to weight ratio non special truck is the 2wd canyon. 242hp/3402 lbs, beats hemi-ram by .1 lbs/hp .

[phatchevy06]

the problem is you can get a hemi on a base 1/2ton SCSB 2wd. and the vmax as far as i can see you cant. on the chevy website the ss gets the high output 6.0 and the 1500hd gets @300 hp 6.0. so stock to stock the SCSB 1500 ram has to be the fastest.

according to the autochannel.com the best power to weight ratio non special truck is the 2wd canyon. 242hp/3402 lbs, beats hemi-ram by .1 lbs/hp .
I had a 2005 220hp I5 4WD GMC Canyon crew cab fully loaded with every option imagineable. It pulled a 16.25 1/4 mile completely stock. 8.1 sec 0-60...that bish impressed me...

My uncle has a 2005 SCSB 5.7L HEMI w/o the 20's...I could smoke 'em :LOL: (yes...I know I'm modded...just messin')

[TouchOfEvil04]

Myself having owned a 5.3 ecsb up until about a month ago while i was stock i could not touch a Hemi simple as that.I have seen the VM 6.0 beat em but never a 5.3
Thats stock now.Once i started to mod they fell behind by great numbers but normally the Hemi guys ahve a cai and exhaust so mod for mod it's not fair...but hey thats not my fault lol.
Oh the Titans give me a break overrated if ya ask em and i never lsot to one ever.Yes i mean while stock.Raced a buddies ford 5.4 and damn was that thing slow.He stayed beside me until about 30mph cause one one wheel peel.After that i left him by a fairly large amount.
Have never gotten a Toyota to race me.
Now with the 6.0l i just wanna destroy people lol.

[NHSilverado]

Myself having owned a 5.3 ecsb up until about a month ago while i was stock i could not touch a Hemi simple as that.I have seen the VM 6.0 beat em but never a 5.3
Thats stock now.Once i started to mod they fell behind by great numbers but normally the Hemi guys ahve a cai and exhaust so mod for mod it's not fair...but hey thats not my fault lol.
Oh the Titans give me a break overrated if ya ask em and i never lsot to one ever.Yes i mean while stock.Raced a buddies ford 5.4 and damn was that thing slow.He stayed beside me until about 30mph cause one one wheel peel.After that i left him by a fairly large amount.
Have never gotten a Toyota to race me.
Now with the 6.0l i just wanna destroy people lol.

The HEMI guys usually only have CAI and exhaust because there is limited stuff out there, compared to what is available for GM's, available for it. Limited to Superchips or Hypertech( no custom tunes )as well. There are always blowers and NOS but that gets expensive and is not something the average modd'er does. GM, Dodge, Ford, or otherwise.

I know when I had mine I had a CAI and an exhaust on and that was about all I could do. There are some guys who are starting to add parts from the newer 6.1L HEMI( cam, heads, etc... )and I guess that wakes them up a lot. Well, "IF" they can get the computer to learn the new parts. It has been a problem for many who have tried the 6.1L internal mod's. There was also adding the SRT-10 e-fan setup which added a few ponies and a wiring mod that can be done that bypasses some sensor as well. Again though, just not a lot that you can do to power them up - AFFORDABLY - with real power gains compared to what can be done to a GM.

[TouchOfEvil04]

The HEMI guys usually only have CAI and exhaust because there is limited stuff out there, compared to what is available for GM's, available for it. Limited to Superchips or Hypertech( no custom tunes )as well. There are always blowers and NOS but that gets expensive and is not something the average modd'er does. GM, Dodge, Ford, or otherwise.

I know when I had mine I had a CAI and an exhaust on and that was about all I could do. There are some guys who are starting to add parts from the newer 6.1L HEMI( cam, heads, etc... )and I guess that wakes them up a lot. Well, "IF" they can get the computer to learn the new parts. It has been a problem for many who have tried the 6.1L internal mod's. There was also adding the SRT-10 e-fan setup which added a few ponies and a wiring mod that can be done that bypasses some sensor as well. Again though, just not a lot that you can do to power them up - AFFORDABLY - with real power gains compared to what can be done to a GM.

The mods came slow for them but at this point they can do every bolt on a GM can do.Longtubes,cai,catback,e-fans...maybe not a underdrive pulley haven't heard of one anyway.I mean what other bolt on mods can ya do?I'm sure i might be forgetting something but there are only a few things that can be done.
Now the tune yeah DODGE is owning you all by not giving any of the information out so you can tune em.
However i have seen a few guys purchase a 400.00 stand alone to adjust fuel/air timing and so on.Now it's not a perfect world for em but it helps alot so there coming along just gonna take a little time.
And yea the 6.1cam does a real nice job in the 5.7's and so on.
Give it time someone will break the code and you will finally start seeing the Hemi's hit some 12's NA.

[gmsales2006]

We will have to wait and see, but rumor has it there will be a GMC Denali GMT900 series with the 6.2 liter using the Cadillac 405 horsepower tune. Should be one really quick stock truck.

[Lloyd Smale]

in my humble opinion any loss between a hemi and a 5.3 ho is strickly gms fault. Ive got one and its saddled with lame 342 gears instead of the 410s the vortec max gets and has enough torque management taken out of it to power another truck!!!! Now mine with a wester tune and an intake and a borla exaust will give a hemi a good run. Not saying that id beat it but i will make them sweat. If GM took that great little aluminum motor and put a good enough transmition behind it that would take the power the motors capable of making and tune it right the dodge guys would be hiding in the garage!!

[Harm]

The fastest stock truck?

Edmunds has tested a new 2007 Toyota tundra double cab 5.7 V8:


Performance Top
0 - 30 mph : 2.2 (sec)
0 - 45 mph : 4.1 (sec)
0 - 60 mph : 6.3 (sec)
0 - 75 mph : 9.4 (sec)
1/4 Mile (sec @ mph): 14.8 @ 93.7


Acceleration: All the best runs were made with traction control off*, but with prudent throttle modulation to keep the rear tires from evaporating. Wow, this thing is quick! *Note: Turning traction control off automatically engages Auto LSD, an electronic limited-slip function.


http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=119089/pageId=117551

[NHSilverado]

The fastest stock truck?

Edmunds has tested a new 2007 Toyota tundra double cab 5.7 V8:


Performance Top
0 - 30 mph : 2.2 (sec)
0 - 45 mph : 4.1 (sec)
0 - 60 mph : 6.3 (sec)
0 - 75 mph : 9.4 (sec)
1/4 Mile (sec @ mph): 14.8 @ 93.7





http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=119089/pageId=117551


This is an old thread and at the time the new Toyota 5.7 was not out there.

[phatchevy06]

This is an old thread and at the time the new Toyota 5.7 was not out there.
...and neither was the brand brand new trucks...if you compare that Toyota...then you have to compare every single brand new truck that just came out...

[STM49221]

8.1 liter chevy hands down

[BIG BLUE TRUCK]

MY BROTHER HAS A STOCK 2006 D-MAX AND i HAVE A 2003 8.1 LITER AND WE ARE NECK AND NECK BUT OTHER THEN THAT i HAVE NOT FOUND A NOTHER TRUCK THAT COULD KEEP UP THAT IS STOCK

[bigblaze94]

Well if you consider a trailblazer ss a truck or suv it is about all the power and speed you would want out of any truck without a roll cage and a 5 piont harness

[JasonFC]

How many cubes is the 8.1? Is it gas?

[CrAsHnBuRn"07"]

I read most of this thread their are a lot good arguments I dont know about this Hemi though you see my truck in my sig, I occasionally drive my old mans 07 HD (in my gallery) but in december my lady who likes Dodge because she had one when she was in highschool went down and bought a brand spanking new crew cab Big Horn edition with the 345 hp Hemi 4 x 4 factory 20's it has 4300 miles on it now I drive it all the time and that Hemi powered fuggn tank wont get out of its own way the old mans HD I will compare, is heavier than hers is rated at 353 hp from Chevrolet will stomp her Hemi chit into the ground. you could say because of the gearing in the HD but whatever the HD is heavier its an LTZ fully loaded etc. I wont compare my truck because its a regular cab and will blow away any stock crew cab, or extended cab 4 x 4 in the categories the original thread began.

[DarkCharisma]

All very good arguements. I feel the "foreign" companies SERIOUSLY overrate the tq/hp ratings; I have driven MANY Titans and 1st gear just feels like it's geared in the 7.x range, because above 30mph it just makes a lot of noise and doesn't go anywhere fast.

They'll roast the tires a million times better than my tired 5.3 though.

[ksukats57]

IMO:
Hemi/Cummins= pretty good accelleration but can't pull a load like a BBC/DMAX
Titan= Big numbers, but not crazy fast
Chevy= not always the fastest but outpulls just about anything
Ford= Found on retard's Driveway

[Fast305]

The quickest STOCK truck I have ever driven was my 1994 Dodge Ram 2500 RCLB. It had the 8.0 V10, a 5spd, and 3.92 gears. That sucker was QUICK. Ran 14.6s @ 90ish MPH all night long. I never saw a tank get under 15 mpg either. That engine would pull a house off its foundation at IDLE and made something like 325 NET HP, but that engine made 345 to the wheels. I hated the exhaust note though. All those cylinders through a single 3" pipe.

[Pauly]

The quickest STOCK truck I have ever driven was my 1994 Dodge Ram 2500 RCLB. It had the 8.0 V10, a 5spd, and 3.92 gears. That sucker was QUICK. Ran 14.6s @ 90ish MPH all night long. I never saw a tank get under 15 mpg either. That engine would pull a house off its foundation at IDLE and made something like 325 NET HP, but that engine made 345 to the wheels. I hated the exhaust note though. All those cylinders through a single 3" pipe.
325hp engine dynoing 345rwhp, sounds like the chassis dyno was reading high?? Is that the dyno you usually use?

Word the V10's sounding like crap, unless they are turning over 10,000rpm.

peace
PAuly

[cancritter]

[QUOTE=ksukats57]IMO:
Cummins= pretty good accelleration but can't pull a load like a BBC/DMAX

one of the guys in my cummins forum

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_blfIGjNn_I

with my 6.7/duals/flatdeck and 4x4 l'll pull most trucks from here to sunday :O)

[Fast305]

325hp engine dynoing 345rwhp, sounds like the chassis dyno was reading high?? Is that the dyno you usually use?

Word the V10's sounding like crap, unless they are turning over 10,000rpm.

peace
PAuly

No that was a Dynojet, I usually use a Mustang. The V10 was underated from the factory due to it costing less than the Cummins. The 8.0 pulls better than the cummins so its definately kicking out power.

[Pauly]

No that was a Dynojet, I usually use a Mustang. The V10 was underated from the factory due to it costing less than the Cummins. The 8.0 pulls better than the cummins so its definately kicking out power.
Thanks Fast, that makes sense. I wonder what the same V10 would be rated at now with the new SAE spec for rating vehicle engine HP?
peace
PAuly