View Full Version : 4l60e and a cam
Silverad04
07-24-2007, 07:16 PM
hey I have a couple questions about my tranny. I'm planning on putting in the tr220 cam. can I get away with only a 3000 stall, transgo shift kit, vette servos and a tranny cooler? If my tranny fails will it screw up my converter?
tdrumm
07-25-2007, 04:49 AM
That stock 60E is going to be on borrowed time (see my sig). Now I have to send my almost new converter back to Yank to have it checked before I reinstall it in front of a new trans. Better safe than sorry.
Silverad04
07-25-2007, 05:04 AM
That stock 60E is going to be on borrowed time (see my sig). Now I have to send my almost new converter back to Yank to have it checked before I reinstall it in front of a new trans. Better safe than sorry.
what did those heads set you back if dont mind me asking?
tdrumm
07-25-2007, 05:27 AM
what did those heads set you back if dont mind me asking?
They were around $700 plus a $250 core charge that I got back when I shipped back my old heads. You can't beat that price for a set of ported GenIII heads that are actually meant for a 5.3.
Silverad04
07-25-2007, 06:36 AM
They were around $700 plus a $250 core charge that I got back when I shipped back my old heads. You can't beat that price for a set of ported GenIII heads that are actually meant for a 5.3.
how much are the stage 2 and whats the dirrferance?
tdrumm
07-25-2007, 06:46 AM
how much are the stage 2 and whats the dirrferance?
I'm not sure how much the Stage 2 are. When I was talking to WCCH, I inquired about the Stage 2. My heads have had CNC work done on the chambers and bowls, a valve job, and 1.95 intake and 1.57 exhaust valves, and are milled .045. The intake and exhaust ports are untouched. The Stage 2 have this work plus larger 2.02 intake valves and the intake and exhaust ports are CNC'd, which increases their volume. I was advised that the 2.02 valves would be shrouded by the small 5.3 bore, and that the increased volume of the ports would hurt low speed torque on a 5.3 in exchage for a little more high RPM hp. That they are better suited for the bigger bore of a LS1.
I decided for a N/A 5.3 street truck, that I would keep my torque.
AlienTranz
07-25-2007, 07:14 AM
I wouldn't so much worry about your transmission hurting your torque converter. I'd worry more about your torque converter hurting your transmission. Usually if your torque converter blows up, you are going to have a major failure, cuz it will usually destroy the pump, and then smoke every clutch on it's way out, as well as prolly burn up a few parts from lack of lube due to the decreased pump volume. The only thing to really be concearned about is getting all the old fluid out of the converter which will most likely have metal shards in it. That is just basically impossible without cutting the converter open. If your transmission is going to see increased r.p.m.s like above 5200 rpm I strongly recommend you think about getting a high rev pump kit and 3-4 clutch retainer, because your stock pump can't stabilize pressure at high rpms and your 3-4 clutch will centrifically apply in the high rpms as well. All this really consists of is stiffer springs in the pump slide and return springs in the 3-4 clutch drum and a 13 vane pump rotor which you most likely have already. Good luck and run synthetic you'll have double the chance of sucsess even half synthetic would be better than none.
Silverad04
07-25-2007, 09:52 AM
I wouldn't so much worry about your transmission hurting your torque converter. I'd worry more about your torque converter hurting your transmission. Usually if your torque converter blows up, you are going to have a major failure, cuz it will usually destroy the pump, and then smoke every clutch on it's way out, as well as prolly burn up a few parts from lack of lube due to the decreased pump volume. The only thing to really be concearned about is getting all the old fluid out of the converter which will most likely have metal shards in it. That is just basically impossible without cutting the converter open. If your transmission is going to see increased r.p.m.s like above 5200 rpm I strongly recommend you think about getting a high rev pump kit and 3-4 clutch retainer, because your stock pump can't stabilize pressure at high rpms and your 3-4 clutch will centrifically apply in the high rpms as well. All this really consists of is stiffer springs in the pump slide and return springs in the 3-4 clutch drum and a 13 vane pump rotor which you most likely have already. Good luck and run synthetic you'll have double the chance of sucsess even half synthetic would be better than none. Well I was planning on doing an FLT level 4 60e eventually b/c I'm anxious to get that cam in there, but I guess I will just wait untill I can afford that tranny.
tdrumm
07-25-2007, 12:29 PM
Well, you could put the cam in and just have a sluggish lowend until you get the tranny.
Silverad04
07-25-2007, 01:57 PM
Well, you could put the cam in and just have a sluggish lowend until you get the tranny. would it even stay running at idle with the tr220?
tdrumm
07-25-2007, 02:36 PM
would it even stay running at idle with the tr220?
Sure it would, with a tune. My 210/218, 112LSA stared right up and idled fine without a tune, but a 220/220 might night. A converter is not going to help your idle. Only tuning will.
Silverad04
07-25-2007, 03:27 PM
Sure it would, with a tune. My 210/218, 112LSA stared right up and idled fine without a tune, but a 220/220 might night. A converter is not going to help your idle. Only tuning will. The site says it pulls from 1500 to 6500 so why would I want a stall except for a beter launch?
tdrumm
07-26-2007, 05:20 AM
IMO, that range is based on a larger displacement engine in a much lighter vehicle. When you consider that you are putting the cam in an engine with 23 less cu in, and in a truck that weighs about 1000 lbs more than an f-body, the converter will help get you into the meat of the powerband quicker.
If you can deal with sluggishess in the low rpm (to about 2500-3000 rpm) then run the cam with the stock converter. Cams don't require high stall converters, they are complimented by them.
Silverad04
07-26-2007, 11:18 AM
IMO, that range is based on a larger displacement engine in a much lighter vehicle. When you consider that you are putting the cam in an engine with 23 less cu in, and in a truck that weighs about 1000 lbs more than an f-body, the converter will help get you into the meat of the powerband quicker.
If you can deal with sluggishess in the low rpm (to about 2500-3000 rpm) then run the cam with the stock converter. Cams don't require high stall converters, they are complimented by them.
awsome, I guess I'll start savin'!!!..................To the black jack table!!!!
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