Want to get rid of Torque Management (TM)? $74.99 + shipping

[VinceTrifecta]

Everybody knows that Torque Management is one of the worst performance killers on the GM Trucks...

Trifecta Performance is proud to introduce a new custom program offering - Torque Management Delete Only. For the introductory price of $74.99 (plus shipping), we'll send you a hand-held programmer that will either completely delete, or simply reduce the Torque Management on your 99-07 Gen III GM Truck. When you're finished with the programmer (takes about 10 minutes to program your truck), ship it back to us using the prepaid shipping label!

This is a new offering - we don't even have it listed on our order form yet. If you want the Torque Management Delete Only programming, just indicate this in the "Additional Comments" section. Make sure you indicate whether you want to get rid of Torque Management altogether, or you just want it reduced.

[thecodeman]

So for $75 we can rent a programmer? :think:

[VinceTrifecta]

Sort of, but not exactly. Our hand-held device (which we developed from the ground up) is a "delivery mechanism" for custom programming that we develop in house. Basically, you tell us what vehicle you have, what you want, then we put it on a hand-held and ship it to you.

Think of it as the same thing as sending your PCM out to a custom programmer, except the program comes to you on our exclusive device instead of on a PCM that needs to be swapped out.

[DefEddie]

I'm curious to know more about what you use to tune if you dont' mind.
Is your handheld similar to the SCT unit?
Is it altering the TM in the original program or is it uploading a different program with no TM.
What commercial program do you use to actually tune with?

[silverado_nolan]

what would be the downside to eliminated 100% of your TM?

[DefEddie]

One major downside would be that the tranny just can't handle it on a 4l60.
I'm not sure how the 4l65's hold up but the 4l60 just can't seem to take the shock of a full throttle shift without breaking part's pretty quickly.
Raising shift pressure help's quite a bit but eventually a 4l60 will go.
It's just not made to push the weight of a heavy truck with that much torque,I've tuned some pretty sweet camaro's and those guy's just blow through transmission's.
Mainly their problem is to much power,trucks usually have too much weight.
I wouldn't suggest more than 50% TM without some shift pressure change's at the higher throttle setting's to help with the shift shock.
Of course i'm an amateur and not a professional tuner so take this info as you want.

[VinceTrifecta]

Right. Basically your transmission would see more wear and tear.

The PCM commands varying levels of torque management depending on how much your foot is into it. The most "aggressive" removal of torque management would be to remove it completely. If you rarely drop the hammer on the accelerator the additional wear and tear would be minimal but the few times you do get on it, it'd certainly be much more fun. ;-)

Another approach would be to remove a percentage of TM. I did this for a dyno tune customer on Saturday - instead of removing all TM, I simply removed about 40%. He definitely noticed an improvement yet he's not taking the risk of wearing the transmission as quickly.

[sec915]

What happens if you want to get your TM back? Will the dealership be able to tell if you have been altering your TM?

[VinceTrifecta]

Our product saves your original programming, and we archive it when the programmer comes back to us. We offer "factory programming restoration" service once, for no charge (just pay for shipping), and each time it is $50 + shipping after that. We offer this service if you ever wanted to restore the stock program temporarily (e.g. for a dealership visit).

It is unlikely the dealership service department has the equipment to determine that the TM settings have been modified, but it is likely the GM factory does. If the factory examined the PCM for any reason they would probably discover the TM settings were non-stock.

[DefEddie]

Actually,GM know's if something is not right with the computer.
At Ford,if we plug into a vehicle and it sense's a nonstock calibration it will automatically email it to ford.
Chevy has circulated memo's stating that any nonstock calibration found is to be sent to corp. I don't know if thier equipment does it automatically though.
They look at the info differently than us,they see reading's and voltage's,not table's. If they could see the table's they would know immediately,since they can't then they would have to have a very good tech or have an automated program.
Think about it,their equipment is linked to every known calibration for that vehicle. If it recognize's a nonstock cal it will flag it.

[91_bowtie]

I'm curious to know more about what you use to tune if you dont' mind.
Is your handheld similar to the SCT unit?
Is it altering the TM in the original program or is it uploading a different program with no TM.
What commercial program do you use to actually tune with?


Quoting in hopes that Vince will provide answers.

[DefEddie]

Lol,I'm just curious since I also tune a little on the side doing small stuff.
Like to keep up with everything.
I've never heard of this company before and you gotta be careful since nowaday's to many people are buying the program's that do all the work for you but haven't a clue what they are doing.
Not saying this is one of those case's,just wondering what he's working with.

[Seabee15]

I have a few questions here...

I plan to get a 9" Lift with 35x1250s on 17s....
Running completely stock drivetrain. I've had a valve replaced in my tranny once before....thats just because i was shifting into 1st rough. Anyhow, would removing 45%TM safe for my 4l60e? I plan to have my tranny rebuilt to be pretty stout and regear to have 4.10's front and rear. Would this help?

And what if i got the TM programmed, and got the preditor or hypertech programmer too...would these programers cancel out the TM Programing?

[VinceTrifecta]

Sorry guys, I don't know what the deal is, I'm only getting sporadic notifications from the forum when people post on my subscribed threads. I didn't even know there were responses on this one until I looked again today.

Any amount of reduction in TM will increase the wear and tear on the transmission under conditions which the PCM commands TM (usually at or above 200 lb-ft of torque output, depends on the vehicle). Period. In the long run, how would this affect the lifespan of the transmission? It depends on how the vehicle is driven. If the vehicle sees a WOT run once a month, the effect is probably negligible. If the vehicle sees a WOT run many times a day (e.g. how *I* drive), the wear and tear will be much more severe.

I am not sure what would happen with the predator or hypertech, but I suspect using one on a PCM that had TM disabled would probably "overwrite" it. For the predator this isn't much of a concern since it allows you to change the TM setting anyway. Not sure on the Hypertech.

I will answer the questions about how I tune in a separate post.