Want to get rid of Torque Management easily?

[VinceTrifecta]

Interested in getting rid of Torque Management but don't want to buy an expensive handheld or tuning software? Check out our preferred vendor forum, we just posted a new offering called "Torque Management Delete Only" programming, for $74.99 plus shipping.

http://www.fullsizechevy.com/forums/member-perks/preferred-vendors/trifecta-performance/279222-want-get-rid-torque-management-tm-74-99-shipping.html

This offering is for 99-07 Gen III trucks.

[Randy_W]

I have an LS1 in my '02 and i'm running the stock 4.8 program, it runs great but still has TM and rev limit as well as speed limiter, can you make me faster?

[oldred95]

Whats the advantage of only removing torque management other then the fact that there will no longer be torque management?

[Colby 04]

Whats the advantage of only removing torque management other then the fact that there will no longer be torque management?

I've got no experience with a TM delete only, but it seems that the truck wouldn't fall on it's face going into 2nd gear. It would also be able to spin the tires and get up and go quicker off the line.

[VinceTrifecta]

Nice rigs, Randy. Yes, we can hook you up.

I'd highly recommend switching the engine calibration tables from an LS1, you're probably too lean at wide open throttle because the 4.8L has lower fuel requirements. I also checked the timing tables, the 4.8L has slightly less timing vs. the LS1, which is probably robbing power as well.

[VinceTrifecta]

Correct. I saw a lot of discussion on the forum about deleting TM on the trucks, and decided to offer a TM Delete Only programming package.

GM was super aggressive with TM on the trucks. On my LS1 Camaro, the most torque that ever gets removed is around 30% but on the trucks that number can be upwards of 60%! Local tuning customers asked me to delete TM and they were blown away by how much quicker the truck felt.

[Randy_W]

Nice rigs, Randy. Yes, we can hook you up.

I'd highly recommend switching the engine calibration tables from an LS1, you're probably too lean at wide open throttle because the 4.8L has lower fuel requirements. I also checked the timing tables, the 4.8L has slightly less timing vs. the LS1, which is probably robbing power as well.
Tell me what to do to order the tune.

[claviz13]

the 4.8L has slightly less timing vs. the LS1

The 4.8 is an LS1 style motor. :think:

[silverado_nolan]

The 4.8 is an LS1 style motor. :think:
:whatever:


I want to do it

[Pauly]

The 4.8 is an LS1 style motor. :think:
The 4.8 and the 5.7l LS1 will have different timing requirements.
Just like a Vortec 305 and Vortec 350 do.
peace
Pauly

[Colby 04]

The 4.8 and the 5.7l LS1 will have different timing requirements.
Just like a Vortec 305 and Vortec 350 do.
peace
Pauly


Not to mention the fact that the two engines are in vehicle on complete opposite ends of the spectrum.

[VinceTrifecta]

Randy, please go ahead and fill out the form at http://www.trifectaperformance.com/order

On the first page, pick "full custom tune" (I haven't added the TM delete only option to the order page yet). In the additional comments section, let me know this is a "TM delete only", and on a scale of 1 to 10, how much TM you want deleted (1 = very little, 10 = all TM deleted).

Also, if there is any chance you have the VIN from LS1 engine that is in your truck, that'd be good to know also. If you don't have it, that's fine, but if you could tell me what year, make, and model vehicle it came from that would be great.

If you have any other questions, feel free to email me at vince@trifectaperformance.com, or give me a call (my number is on the web site).

[TXsilverado]

removing 100% tm on a stock transmission is suicide IMO. the clutches in stock transmissions are junk and the TM is GM's way of crutching a POS transmission. the max i would take out of a stock transmission is 70%. im at 100% tm lost and it feels great

[claviz13]

The 4.8 and the 5.7l LS1 will have different timing requirements.
Just like a Vortec 305 and Vortec 350 do.
peace
Pauly

No way! Really? I would never have guessed.

[claviz13]

:whatever:


I want to do it

:LOL: Ok?

[oldred95]

A guy I work with just got a Vortec Max 6.0 2wd and he wants to get rid of TM but needs to keep the warranty. Is that possible?

[VinceTrifecta]

Is it the "classic" style truck? If it's the "new" style, we can't do programming for it, yet, but we're working on it.

If it is the "classic" style truck, we can do programming for it. If you want to email me the VIN privately I'll double check for you.

As for the warranty issue... As I understand, legally, the factory cannot void your warranty solely because modifications have been made to a vehicle. Having said that, I would expect the factory to put up a fight on a warranty-replacement of the transmission if TM had been reduced or eliminated and they figured that out.

[tpichevy]

i have a preditor programmer....how hard is it with this to take out some of the TM? i have not messed with the much other then loading up the 87 perf tune and makin the shifts 15% quicker....i just didnt want to mess anythin up.

[swiss]

Is this available to us canuks????

[VinceTrifecta]

Yes, but it requires a bit of extra work on your side. Rather then shipping UPS, I would ship it US Postal Service. When you were finished with the programmer, you would need to bring it to a Canadian post office and ship it back yourself.

[oldred95]

Nope its the new ugly body style. Guess he'll have to wait a while.

[Sambo]

removing 100% tm on a stock transmission is suicide IMO. the clutches in stock transmissions are junk and the TM is GM's way of crutching a POS transmission. the max i would take out of a stock transmission is 70%. im at 100% tm lost and it feels great
I had it 100% deleted on mine with the westers. It has been fine with 8k miles on it so far.

[claviz13]

Is this available to us canuks????

:LOL: Nice!

[DefEddie]

I'm gonna deduce that you tune via JET DST or Tunercat's due to the info you mentioned on tuning being able to tune "classic" truck's.
I'd like to reiterate my question in the original post you made.
Do you use an SCT type unit? Which base calibration do you use to delete TM and upload?
I'm assuming you put your own cal in it and don't alter the stock cal,again having to deduce that from the post in the other thread.
Can we get any info on your practice's?
You mentioned the guy above having needing to change the 4.8 to a 5.7 cal due to timing change's,yet didn't mention the obvious cylinder volume and injector sizing difference's that I would think would be much more important than timing.
That thing's gotta be running like crap,one of my buddies put a 6.0 in his 5.3 truck and sure it ran it but damn it ran like ass.
Your gonna melt a piston if you do many WOT run's with that thing,i'm sure the trim's on that thing are maxed out.

And I'm not sure i've seen much TM if any on camaro's,truck's top out @ about 15* of timing max IIRC. Can't remember what theoretical torque value that is,isn't the torque step on those 22 ftlb's?I would need to open my laptop to look that stuff over. Where are you getting the 30%? you mean 30% torque is pulled or 30% of the timing?

[Randy_W]

You mentioned the guy above having needing to change the 4.8 to a 5.7 cal due to timing change's,yet didn't mention the obvious cylinder volume and injector sizing difference's that I would think would be much more important than timing.
That thing's gotta be running like crap,one of my buddies put a 6.0 in his 5.3 truck and sure it ran it but damn it ran like ass.

Actually it runs 13.50's @ 101 mph bouncing off the top speed limiter the last 50 or so feet with no traction. I have the stock 4.8 intake (stock accessories won't work with LS1 intake) and injectors on it as well as stock tuning. The truck improved almost daily for the first 3 weeks or so and by that time had begun to spark knock when I tried regular gas after 3 weeks of premium. These pcms are very flexable. So no, it doesn't run like ass, ask the guy in my club with the stock '01 Lightening!:biggrin:

[91_bowtie]

Can we get any info on your practice's?


Do a search on ls1tech, and you'll find all you need to know. It sounds like you've already caught on though. :smokin:

[DefEddie]

Do a search on ls1tech, and you'll find all you need to know. It sounds like you've already caught on though. :smokin:

I'm trying,but he barely has more post's on there than he does on here.
Every thread he's made is an advertisement,still going over misc post's.
Not calling him out,we've been begging for a tuning section for awhile now i'm just trying to learn. If he does this professionally then his would be a good brain to pick.
Also FSC isn't really similar to LS1tech in the regard that user's here won't just let some yahoo be a sponser just cause they pay a fee.
Usually the vendor's are member's first I thought,and earned the right to be a sponser.
I'm just sayin,I don't wanna buy anything but if your gonna sell stuff in the General discussion thread then expect some question's. I don't wanna sort through advertisement's from some vendor that doesn't take his time to holler at the peep's ya know. We expect more from our vendor's,especially when they don't take time to check out the forum or rule's enough to know not to post it in the wrong section.
That's all i'm sayin.

[91_bowtie]

I'm trying,but he barely has more post's on there than he does on here.
Every thread he's made is an advertisement,still going over misc post's.
Not calling him out,we've been begging for a tuning section for awhile now i'm just trying to learn. If he does this professionally then his would be a good brain to pick.
Also FSC isn't really similar to LS1tech in the regard that user's here won't just let some yahoo be a sponser just cause they pay a fee.
Usually the vendor's are member's first I thought,and earned the right to be a sponser.
I'm just sayin,I don't wanna buy anything but if your gonna sell stuff in the General discussion thread then expect some question's. I don't wanna sort through advertisement's from some vendor that doesn't take his time to holler at the peep's ya know. We expect more from our vendor's,especially when they don't take time to check out the forum or rule's enough to know not to post it in the wrong section.
That's all i'm sayin.

I strongly disagree in this case. I'll give him time to reply before I discuss this openly any more, but I think it would be in his best interest to tell the members here what he really does. :smokin:

[DefEddie]

I'm a ford tech,as i've mentioned on this site numerous time's.
I'm not trying to call this guy out so why the 'tude? I'm elated that there is a professional tuner here that can help an amateur like me out.
If he's someone special then i'm all the happier,cause we can assume he is a competent source as opposed to a post with a nickname.

[91_bowtie]

I'm a ford tech,as i've mentioned on this site numerous time's.
I'm not trying to call this guy out so why the 'tude? I'm elated that there is a professional tuner here that can help an amateur like me out.
If he's someone special then i'm all the happier,cause we can assume he is a competent source as opposed to a post with a nickname.


you're completely misunderstanding what I'm trying to say.

There is a professional tuner here, but he is not in this thread.

Developing this tool was a great idea. I just don't appreciate how it's being marketed.

[DefEddie]

Developing what tool?
Are you talking about the GT tuner deal? Yeah I want to know more about it cause it seem's interesting.
Does HE do the actual tune or how does it work?
What does he use to tune with? etc....
I've heard rumor's that he doesn't do the actual tuning,someone else does. Interweb rumor's run rampant though.
Is he selling another tune and just using this tool he developed?
I wouldn't be asking this if we knew him.
Look at my post history though and you'll see that I have little patience for any type of mail-order tuning that doesn't involve datalog's. I beleive they are overpriced for what your actually getting.
Hell,come by my house with a 6pack and i'll do that chit is my attitude so you know where i'm coming from.
But honestly I just want this guy to contribute to the site and maybe educate me a little bit.

[DefEddie]

Okay,so i'm slow.
I think I get it now.

[DefEddie]

Q: Can I get a custom program from any PCM tuner with your device?
A: Maybe. It depends on whether the custom PCM programmer you want to work with is willing to provide “email” tunes (the calibration file electronically). If they are willing to do this, we should be able to accommodate your request. Just ask us ahead of time and we’ll see what we can do for you.


This and some post's on LS1 did it for me I think.
He is just renting you the tuner,and having a tuner put a tune in it.
From what i've gathered on LS1 tech(good for something i guess) Bryan @ PCM4less does the actual tuning. Excellent guy there.
My problem is kinda with leading everyone to kinda beleive that HE's the one doing the tuning.
If he's not then how do you get customer service?If something's not running right he send's you to someone else?
We really should give him a chance to clarify,cause surely the owner/admin/mod isn't just going to bring someone in that doesn't even OWN a chevy OR tune himself and allow him to sell the product with creative advertising.
*that's the wrong quote,can't find the other one now*

[91_bowtie]

he has 2 chevy's... a 94 Impala SS w/ a LT4 and a stock 99 Z28 :head:

[454ss]

Moved to Trifecta forum.
You guys have the right to question vendors since it's your money being spent, but
Phatchevy06 if you have a problem with the way FSC decides who becomes a vendor or not on the site it might be time for you to find a new hangout.

[DefEddie]

How much exactly do you know about this guy?
He's posted today on a couple other thread's but so far this guy has only been about sale's.
Look's like he doesn't check his old thread's,just start's new ones.
I'm just curious to see if you guy's are on your toes with the sponser situation.
I don't really want this forum to turn into something like the one named above.
Post's get deleted that are bad feedback for sponser's,and no policing of the actual sponser's business practices.
I really like this forum,and have been around it for year's. I took LS1tech off the forum list a long time ago because they're more about making money now then making the hobby better.
Understand where i'm trying to come from?

Gotta admit I also thought our first tuning sponser would be another member on here also. I think Justin should have a sponsership since he is a member,and has been a contributing member for a long time.
Isn't he also a forum leader for the tuning forum's? Sound like a guy that has more than business interest's at heart.
That's all just my opinion though,has nothing to do with this situation and this person but thought I would voice it since it's related. For all I know he might not want to,I understand he's busy as it is.
*edit* sorry to get off topic,but don't think this guy will mind.doesn't seem to check the thread anyway.

[VinceTrifecta]

For some reason I don't always get notified when a thread gets responded to. I just got email on this latest response.

DefEddie, why don't you give me a call, I can tell you more about what I do, if you're interested.

[bassadict69]

Why not post here for all to see?

[VinceTrifecta]

I am happy to. DefEddie had a lot of specific questions so I thought a phone call would be better.

[VinceTrifecta]

I just made a new, separate post about what we do, and how we do it. Hopefully that answers everybody's questions. Thanks

[DefEddie]

Thank's for responding,I'll check out the other thread.