"ProJect Ol Blue"

[Bad75Chevy]

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[Cledus Earl]

you must be rich...

[dhallftworth]

you must be rich...
thats what I was thinking....

[ChevyMan02]

And how are you going to afford all of this. Let me know b/c I need some dollars too. HAHA. You forgot driveshafts you will need to at least have yours lengthend. And you might as well go with new u-joints and a new cv joint on the front since your redoing everything else anyway. That would make one bad ass ole chevy.

[Bad75Chevy]

This is just a list I came up with. Im not rich or anything, this list probley will take 4-6 years to be complete, just a list of modification's/assesorries I can to put on my truck at some point of time.

Yea I planned on putting heavier duty u joints on and I already knew im going ot have to lenghen my driveshafts and what not.

[dsponder]

should be a cool project.

[KickAss89chev]

i see a dot...........

[dhallftworth]

What happened to the main post? Bad75Chevy what did you do?

[Bad75Chevy]

Motor Modification's:
1.Holley Truck Avenger 4 Barrel Carburetor 670cfm or 770cfm
2.Comp Cam Extreme 4x4 Cam (1000-5200 rpm)
3.Edelbrock Performer EPS Air Intake(idle-5500rpm)
4.Hooker Competition Headers
5.True Duals with FlowMaster's
6.MSD Off-Road Ignition
7.MSD Spark Plug Wires 8.5mm
8.MSD Distributor
9.Dual Optima Batteries
10. Edelbrock 1” Carburetor Spacer
11. K&N Air Filter
12. NGK Spark Plugs
13. Edelbrock Chrome Signature Series Value Covers
14. Port&Polish
15. 383CI Stroker Kit with .060 Oversize piston's
16. 9:1 or 10:1 Compression ratio

Drive-Train:
1. NP203 Part-Time Conversion kit
2. Transfer-case Lowering kit
3. Warn Premium Lock-out front hubs
4. Steering Stabilizer's
5. Steering Box Brace
6. Rancho RS9000XL Shocks
7. 5:13 Ring&Pinion Gear's Front/Rear
8. 42”-44" Ground Hawgs or Irocks or Tsl's
9. 12” Full Suspension lift kit
10. Fabritech Stage 1 Ladder Bars
11. Swap in GM 14 Bolt Rear-End and do Disc Brake Conversion
12. Swap in ¾ Ton Dana 44 Front-end or Dana 60 Front-end and Do Cross-over steering on either one.

Interior/Exterior:
1. Mossy Oak Bench Seat Cover
2. Confederate Flag for back window
3. Rhino line or Line-X Truck Bed and Interior Floor
4. K/C or PIAA Lights front/rear
5. CB with Whip Antenna
6. Cowl Induction Hood
7. Air Compressor in truck bed Plus Miller Welder
8. High-Lift Jack
9. New Dash Gage Panel
10. Blue with Metallic Flack Paint job
11. Tachometer
12. New AMP Gage
13. MO951- Black w SS Rivets(16”-20”)
14. bushwhacker Cut-Out Fender Flares
15. Brushed Aluminum Side Steps
16. Fix Rust on truck
17.Re-Tint Window's on truck

[dhallftworth]

hope you didn't have to rewrite all that!!

[Bad75Chevy]

got it saved on the computer.

[GreaseDog]

got a lot of things that arent going to work very well together, high compression, small cam, and 5.13 gears with no OD and only 40s. 8" lift and trailering equipment? you're going to have to make some compromises in order for the truck to be worth its scrap weight.

[DarkCharisma]

Kick some cash down this way if you get a chance, I need a new AC belt. :aniteef: Sounds like a mean build but be careful and heed the words of GreaseDog. Unfortunately hardcore mud/trail rig and DD don't go hand in hand.

[BigRed05]

If you want Ground hawgs, you better get them soon. Production on them is phasing out.

[1989K1500]

Kick some cash down this way if you get a chance, I need a new AC belt. :aniteef: Sounds like a mean build but be careful and heed the words of GreaseDog. Unfortunately hardcore mud/trail rig and DD don't go hand in hand.
Its like 14 bucks, dont eat out this week. :crazy:

[Bad75Chevy]

got a lot of things that arent going to work very well together, high compression, small cam, and 5.13 gears with no OD and only 40s. 8" lift and trailering equipment? you're going to have to make some compromises in order for the truck to be worth its scrap weight.


I want low-mid end cam. Yea, just relized I still had the trailering equipment on there, that was when I was just going to do a 4" lift, forgot to take it off.

[Bad75Chevy]

If you want Ground hawgs, you better get them soon. Production on them is phasing out.

Oh it don't matter to me, im looking at ground hawgs or irocks, etc..
not picky on which tires I get. but thanks for the info man

[KickAss89chev]

pics?

[Bad75Chevy]

Have a couple, but its pretty much stock right now.

Just 3" body lift, 3" front block(taking it out plus front axle this weekend), champion 7500lb winch on front, dana 44 front, gm 12 bolt rear, 31" tires on 15" aluminum rim's

[dhallftworth]

Are you going to post your pics? have you used you winch yet? What do you think of it?

[Bad75Chevy]

Sure give me a second. Sure have, only used it once, and that was to pull alittle 2wd nissian out of wet grass. Pretty good so far.

[dhallftworth]

everybody tells me that me 10,000 champion is crap... but its done good so far!

[mattman87]

Are you going to post those pics? Sounds like it is going to be an expensive build..

What are you going to do first?

[Bad75Chevy]

Here's what she looked like when I first got her:

http://inlinethumb64.webshots.com/18751/2999996080101622553S600x600Q85.jpg

http://inlinethumb27.webshots.com/17434/2401345810101622553S600x600Q85.jpg

Here's what she look like now:

http://inlinethumb36.webshots.com/25699/2503012540101622553S600x600Q85.jpg

http://inlinethumb08.webshots.com/29767/2768618100101622553S600x600Q85.jpg

[dhallftworth]

Good looking truck! What'd you do with the wheels that were on it? Is your winch mounted in a receiver?

[DarkCharisma]

Wow, 2-spoke wheels! That's cool lookin' actually...

[Bad75Chevy]

Good looking truck! What'd you do with the wheels that were on it? Is your winch mounted in a receiver?

Them where 20-9 Military tires on homemade 20" rim's. I was takeing the truck off the trailer one day and turned the wheels to much and cut a hole in the side wall off the front right tire from the second headlight(peice of aluminum cut the sidewass). There sitting in my yard right now.

[dhallftworth]

Damn I want those wheels!!! oh and tires!

[Bad75Chevy]

them tires pull really well!! The only bad part was the owner before me throw them homemade wheels together so quick that he didn't get them all alinged so they wobble some.

[dhallftworth]

ahh hell.... just puts alot of weight on one side of the wheel...lol

[Bad75Chevy]

yea! lol

[Bad75Chevy]

Change plan's

Going to save up and get 12" Full Suspension and go wtih 42"-44" tires.

SHould be getting a 14 bolt this weekend, if not then going to be getting some else.
Taking out my GM 12 bolt and Dana 44 front this weekend and going to sell them and getting some else for my truck and what not.

[dhallftworth]

I hear a dana 44 a hell of a front axle

[Bad75Chevy]

well im taking out my 1/2 ton dana 44 and going to get a 3/4 ton dana 44 or dana 60 front-end.

[dhallftworth]

sounds good..

[Bad75Chevy]

Here's what my truck will kinda look like

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2388/2072356787_c5028e0f31_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2232/2072356091_4ece9c2df5.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2370/2073147676_6a6d04f504_o.jpg

12" Superlift springs front, 8" superlift springs rear with 4" block rear, 38.5 MT Baja Claws

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2414/2072355635_94ff20577f_o.jpg

[Bad75Chevy]

couple examples I found

[dhallftworth]

Yea I have a 76 but it's 2wd.. I have the stuff to change it over but it's been my baby since I was 16...

[Bad75Chevy]

Nice!
What all you got done to it? Are you going to make it 4wd?

[GREY-GHOST]

i love those trucks

[Bad75Chevy]

yea there pretty nice!

[dhallftworth]

No, It's just got a little RV cam in it with a 350/350 combo... It's a hell of a pull truck!

[Bad75Chevy]

Nice!

[dhallftworth]

Thanks!!!

[GREY-GHOST]

where are you at in FL?

[Bad75Chevy]

vero

[MStefak]

Yeah it will cost a bit but its not unobtainable:

Motor Modification's:
1.Holley Truck Avenger 4 Barrel Carburetor 670cfm or 770cfm
- Im TBI
2.Comp Cam Extreme 4x4 Cam (1000-5200 rpm)
- Done
3.Edelbrock Performer EPS Air Intake(idle-5500rpm)
- Done
4.Hooker Competition Headers
- Done
5.True Dals with FlowMaster's
- Done equal value
6.MSD Off-Road Ignition
- Done
7.MSD Spark Plug Wires 8.5mm
- Done twice over
8.MSD Distributor
- Havent gone that far
9.Dual Optima Batteries
- Done spent 375
10. Edelbrock 1” Carburetor Spacer
- Done
11. K&N Air Filter
- Done
12. NGK Spark Plugs
- Done but used iridiums
13. Edelbrock Chrome Signature Series Value Covers
- Done - Used Chevrolet Chrome Covers
14. Port&Polish
- Never got around to it
15. 383CI Stroker Kit with .060 Oversize piston's
- Done 350CI Crate plus goodies
16. 9:1 or 10:1 Compression ratio

Drive-Train:
1. NP203 Part-Time Conversion kit
- Done equivalant NP241P for standard
2. Transfer-case Lowering kit
- Dont need
3. Warn Premim Lock-out front hubs
- We wil say new wheel bearings are the same price
4. Steering Stabilizer's
- I wish
5. Steering Box Brace
- Cheap, but not needed for me
6. Rancho RS9000XL Shocks
- Done
7. 5:13 Ring&Pinion Gear's Front/Rear
- Next few months
8. 42”-44" Ground Hwgs or Irocks or Tsl's
- 36" TSL's
9. 12” Full Suspension lift kit
- Only blocks crank and 3" body lift :(
10. Fabritech Stage 1 Ladder Bars
- In the process
11. Swap in GM 14 Bolt Rear-End and do Disc Brake Conversion
- Done, But doing a 14 bolt FF with disks and 6 lug
12. Swap in ¾ Ton Dana 44 Front-end or Dana 60 Front-end and Do Cross-over steering on either one.

Interior/Exterior:
1. Mossy Oak Bench Seat Cover
- 99 Tahoe power bucket seat conversion
2. Confederate Flag for back window
- Double 5% tint instead
3. Rhino line or Line-X Truck Bed and Interior Floor
- Box linered the whole truck instead ;)
4. K/C or PIAA Lights front/rear
- Done after christmas
5. CB with Whip Antenna
- Done after christmas
6. Cowl Induction Hood
- Scooped hood
7. Air Compressor in truck bed Plus Miller Welder
- Way outta my price range !
8. High-Lift Jack
- Done
9. New Dash Gage Panel
- Done all custom
10. Blue with Metallic Flack Paint job
- Paint ... whats that?
11. Tachometer
- Found a cluster with one
12. New AMP Gage
- N/A
13. MO951- Black w SS Rivets(16”-20”)
- N/A
14. bushwhacker Cut-Out Fender Flares
- I hate fender flares
15. Brushed Aluminum Side Steps
- In the garage
16. Fix Rust on truck
- Done, just the passengerside door left
17.Re-Tint Window's on truck
- Done 5 times now !! Current is Double 5%

All in all your probably about 4000 ahead of me

And your gunna need rims too ;)

[Bad75Chevy]

already got rim's on the list.

[midgetclown]

Those pics are BA....exactly why i want an Older body style. Yout trucks gonna be sick man.

[Bad75Chevy]

Thanks man!

Yea, im slowly starting to take it apart. It would be going alot faster but im wanting/needing to get my 4-wheelers fixed, and once I get them fixed then all attention will be on my truck and the pro-ject shawl begen.

[Dean-]

wow, your truck is going to looks sweet when its done! Def keep us updated!

Those pics look wicked!

[Bad75Chevy]

Thanks man! will do

[Bad75Chevy]

Up-dated list:

Motor Modification's:
1.Holley Truck Avenger 4 Barrel Carburetor 670cfm or 770cfm
2.Comp Cam Extreme 4x4 Cam (1000-5200 rpm)
3.Edelbrock Performer EPS Air Intake(idle-5500rpm)
4.Hooker Competition Headers
5.True Duals with FlowMaster's
6.MSD Off-Road Ignition
7.MSD Spark Plug Wires 8.5mm
8.MSD Distributor
9.Dual Optima Batteries
10. Edelbrock 1” Carburetor Spacer
11. K&N Air Filter
12. NGK Spark Plugs
13. Edelbrock Chrome Signature Series Value Covers
14. Port&Polish
15. 383CI Stroker Kit with .060 Oversize piston's

Drive-Train:
1. NP203 Part-Time Conversion kit
2. Transfer-case Lowering kit
3. Warn Premium Lock-out front hubs
4. Steering Stabilizer's
5. Steering Box Brace
6. Rancho RS9000XL Shocks
7. 5:13 Ring&Pinion Gear's Front/Rear
8. 40”-44” Ground Hawgs or Irocks or TSL's
9. 8” lift kit
10. Fabritech Stage 1 Ladder Bars
11. Swap in GM 14 Bolt Rear-End and do Disc Brake Conversion
12. Swap in ¾ Ton Dana 44 Front-end or Dana 60 Front-end and Do Cross-over steering on either one.
13. Detroit Locker Rear

Interior/Exterior:
1. Mossy Oak Bench Seat Cover
2. Rhino line or Line-X Truck Bed and Interior Floor
3. K/C or PIAA Lights front/rear
4. CB with Whip Antenna
5. Cowl Induction Hood
6. Air Compressor in truck bed(Maybe-Miller Welder)
7. High-Lift Jack
8. New Dash Gage Panel
9.Tachometer
10. New AMP Gage
11. MO951- Black w SS Rivets(16”-20”)
12. Bushwhacker Cut-Out Fender Flares
13. Brushed Aluminum Side Steps
14. Fix Rust on truck
15. Re-Tint Window's on truck

[Bad75Chevy]

Getting GM 14 Bolt Full Floater Rear-end either tommrow or sometime during the week!

[chevytaHOE5674]

don't go with a truck avenger. I ran 3 different ones summit sent me and none of them ever ran right. Get an edelbrock and get the offroad kit for it, much better carbs.

Edit: also detroit locker in a D44 front with those meats and it will destroy itself the first time you put it in 4wd.

[swacky'sswamper]

I have aa 406 small block in my 1979 oldsmobile that puts out 411 hrosepower and 478 ft pounds of torque on 92 pump gas.I have a list of everything i put in it if you would want to build one.I was thinking of putting it in my truck when i put the 38's in but not sure if my truck would hold up.Love those pre 1988 trucks don't see them around here anymore.How much money do you think you'll have in your truck?Do you have it figured out?

[GreaseDog]

Get an edelbrock and get the offroad kit for it, much better carbs.
the only thing that edelcrock has going for them in the carb department is the fact that they're simple enough that your grandma can rebuild and tune one. no good with angles, not especially good power carbs, and no good with milage. you'd be better off with a quadrajet, which is good in all of the situations above.

[chevytaHOE5674]

quadrajet is ideal.

I made more power with an edelbrock (6hp iirc) than the truck avenger, and ran just as good at angles, had the offroad kit and some other tweaks. And i got the same mileage. Both were tuned by the same motor builder.

Saying all that, a stock Q-jet will do better offroad than any "offroad" carb.

[Bad75Chevy]

Edit: also detroit locker in a D44 front with those meats and it will destroy itself the first time you put it in 4wd.

Yea im going to just leave the front open. Editied my post.

[Bad75Chevy]

I have aa 406 small block in my 1979 oldsmobile that puts out 411 hrosepower and 478 ft pounds of torque on 92 pump gas.I have a list of everything i put in it if you would want to build one.I was thinking of putting it in my truck when i put the 38's in but not sure if my truck would hold up.Love those pre 1988 trucks don't see them around here anymore.How much money do you think you'll have in your truck?Do you have it figured out?

Sure, always looking for more Power/Torgue!

Not sure how much ill have in it, but will have few thousands!!

[swacky'sswamper]

I'll list what everything i have in my motor and i'll post it.I'am always trying to help somebody else out.Sure looks like you'll have more than a few thousand.You'll have that in your tire and wheels for sure.I have $4000 in my 406 and that was built 10 years ago.Now same parts will cost $6000.00.Won't doubt that you'll have $10,000 in what you want maybe more.Have you figured everything out what it's gonna cost?I have $14,000 in my truck so far and i'am not done yet probaly have $20,000 when i'am done but that included $6000 for the truck and $4000 for sound system.But one hell of a sound system.

[Bad75Chevy]

Awesome man thanks!

Well im also not going to be buying everthing brand new. Like the lift, tires, and a few small things, but other things like wheels, motor mod's, shocks and what not will be brand new stuff. I know the cost on everthing pretty much, just haven't added it together. Wow!! Yea im not going to be suprised if I have 10,000-20,000 in her when im done!

[Bad75Chevy]

Found 3/4 ton Dana 44 front and Gm 14 Bolt rear both for $275. Try and get them this weekend and what not. Also found a guy with 12" Springs for $250, going to see if he can hold on to them, till I get the money.

Also going to be rolling on 41" or 46" Michellen(spelling) Military's.

[GreaseDog]

dont mess with the Dana 44 if you're planning on running Michelins, those are some HEAVY tires, and probably well past stock Dana 60 territory. :read:

[Bad75Chevy]

yea, it was just a thought.

Looking at 41" radial irocks, 40"-44" hawgs or 42"-44" tsl's

[swacky'sswamper]

Man gonna be a awesome truck.Here's a thought but a guy who used to work with me bought 53in military tires.For i beleive $300 a piece off a guy in i beleive by harpursville new york that sells military surplus.He later found that would cost alot of money for axles to hold up to something like that.He also had a truck like yours i beleive it was 1983.If somebody would want then i would imangine you could buy them alot less than $300 a piece.Just a thought if anybody would want something that big.

[GreaseDog]

good luck with 40s and a 44.

do yourself a favor and spend the money on a 60 now. much less time messing with broken shafts, and the 60 will actually have a fighting chance of holding up

[Bad75Chevy]

well ill get 3/4 ton dana 44 front for now, till after mudfest, then sell it and get D60

[GREY-GHOST]

thats if its still alive after mudfest

[Bad75Chevy]

yea lol
mostly going to drive my atv at mudfest, just using it as my hauler.

[Bad75Chevy]

Figured what size lift im going with:

8" Lift, keep 3" body lift. Run 41" Irocks or 42"-44".....


BTW- Going to get GM 14 Bolt FF rear axle tommrow after-noon.

[Bad75Chevy]

Just got home with my new GM 14 Bolt FF

[HartlineGarage]

Where ya at In florida? Im in the Polk County area. Sounds like you have lots of plans. Im currently working on a project of my own, but i wont fill your thread with my BS. Ill keep an eye out for parts for ya.

[DarkCharisma]

So you got a part! Maybe this isn't an ultimate pipe-dream thread... I should make one of those...

[dhallftworth]

I think I need to get me one of them fancy rear ends too.... I'm still running stock!

[Bad75Chevy]

Where ya at In florida? Im in the Polk County area. Sounds like you have lots of plans. Im currently working on a project of my own, but i wont fill your thread with my BS. Ill keep an eye out for parts for ya.

Indian river. Yeah, when I start I project I find alot of stuff id like for my project! lol That's cool man.

I would really appercatie! Thanks

[Bad75Chevy]

So you got a part! Maybe this isn't an ultimate pipe-dream thread... I should make one of those...

Why the hell would I make a thread that would never happen?????????

[Bad75Chevy]

I think I need to get me one of them fancy rear ends too.... I'm still running stock!

Yea. What you running 10 bolts?

[dhallftworth]

12 bolt rear 10 bolt Dana 44 in the front

[Bad75Chevy]

yea that's what my trucks got right now, but taking that 12 bolt out and taking the 1/2 ton dana 44 out and tring to find a D60.

[DarkCharisma]

Why the hell would I make a thread that would never happen?????????

Because you're seventeen, excited, a first time truck owner, have a lot of things you want to do, and want everyone else to know about it.

I'm not saying it's a bad thing to have pipe dreams, but there are just a lot of people who will post them and nothing will ever come of it. I'm not talking about this forum in particular. The Neon boards were terrible.

[Bad75Chevy]

oh okay man, yea I know what yea mean.

Also tho im 16, and this is my first DD truck, I used to own a truck, but it was a mud truck only.

Up-Date: Found a guy with a 3/4 Ton Dana 44 Front with a couple new parts for it for $150, but also posted a thread on another fourm looking for a Dana 60. Then once I get the front axle im going to either get a 8" lift or get the NP203 Part-Time Conversion kit or take my NP203 out and sell it and get an NP205. What yall think? Then get Warn Hubs for front axle.

[DarkCharisma]

oh okay man, yea I know what yea mean.

Also tho im 16, and this is my first DD truck, I used to own a truck, but it was a mud truck only.

Well I'm glad to see that something will come of it. Keep us posted, and damn it, we need pics.

Up-Date: Found a guy with a 3/4 Ton Dana 44 Front with a couple new parts for it for $150, but also posted a thread on another fourm looking for a Dana 60. Then once I get the front axle im going to either get a 8" lift or get the NP203 Part-Time Conversion kit or take my NP203 out and sell it and get an NP205. What yall think? Then get Warn Hubs for front axle.

I would wait and go for the dana 60, I know everyone is saying that, but you're going to kick yourself when it becomes the weak link in your setup. What's wrong with your 203?

[Bad75Chevy]

Well I'm glad to see that something will come of it. Keep us posted, and damn it, we need pics.


I would wait and go for the dana 60, I know everyone is saying that, but you're going to kick yourself when it becomes the weak link in your setup. What's wrong with your 203?

Will do! When I start getting everthing tore down and starting getting parts and what not will get some picture's as soon as I find my camara. Going to paint my axle up and do a Disc Brake Conversion on it.

Yea, ill just try and save up for the D60.
Nothing wrong with the NP203, just its all time 4wd and hate it. I can get a NP203 Part-Time-Conversion kit for $70.00 and then get Warn Preminum Locking front hubs, just un-sure if I want to do the conversion or just get a Transfercase that's made to go in and out of 4wd.

[DarkCharisma]

Will do! When I start getting everthing tore down and starting getting parts and what not will get some picture's as soon as I find my camara. Going to paint my axle up and do a Disc Brake Conversion on it.

Yea, ill just try and save up for the D60.
Nothing wrong with the NP203, just its all time 4wd and hate it. I can get a NP203 Part-Time-Conversion kit for $70.00 and then get Warn Preminum Locking front hubs, just un-sure if I want to do the conversion or just get a Transfercase that's made to go in and out of 4wd.

I didn't know they made an all-time 4wd in the 70's. :crazy: Well I'd just go pull another transfer case and rebuild it instead of dealing with the conversion kit and then rebuilding the one you have now.

[Bad75Chevy]

Yea the NP203 Transfercase's are all-time 4wd. Yea, probley just going to pull mine out and sell it and get a 2wd/4wd transfercase for my truck.

[GreaseDog]

NP205 is the way to go, make sure you get one with a fixed rear yoke, not a slip yoke like my '80 has.

[chevytaHOE5674]

205, all gear, heavy duty. only downside is the weak low range. But you have a 203. So 203 to 205 doubler is a cheap upgrade then. Do it up

[FordeatinZ71]

nice plans man. you do know that to make a 3/4 ton D44 you only have to change out the ends on it right? its the same axle, just with 8-lug outer sections. i honestly wouldn't run over about a 38" tire on that front end. honestly even that's too much. just don't give up on what you wanna do. keep the truck around and stick to your plan, it'll happen in time...

[Bad75Chevy]

Well ill try and look around for a NP205 and see what the going price is for them and what not.

Yea, going to save up and try to get a D60.
Wow, didn't realize that the 3/4 ton D44 was just 8 lug outers, thanks for the info

[dhallftworth]

Ok I'm not jacking his thread but someone explaina np203 to me... It has L lock, Low , N, High, High lock.. ow someoe tell me what all that means.. Please.

[FordeatinZ71]

ok, the NP203 is the t-case that GM used for it's full-time 4x4 applications. factory stock, it has NO 2wd setting. it is really frikkin heavy and is known for breaking transmissions when the mounts wear out or if the bolts holding it to the tranny loosen at all. it's chain-driven and this is also a weak-link being as the last one was used in 1979 they pretty much all have some slack in the chain unless they've been rebuilt.

here's what the positions mean (in order as you look at it in the truck)

H Loc: this is high range, with the center differential (the transfer case) locked so that both the front and rear axle have to spin together, at the same speed...

H: this is normal high range, this is the position you use for driving...full-time 4wd

N: this is the neutral position

L: this is low range, with the center differential unlocked. you basically have the gearing reduction of low range, but the front and rear axles will not be locked together at the same speed...

L Loc: this is low range with the center differential locked. this is basically like low range in a normal t-case. both the front and rear drivelines are locked together and must spin at the same speed...a 50-50 power split...

hope this clears it up for ya a little bit

[Bad75Chevy]

Nice write up!

[FordeatinZ71]

hehe, thanks man. i had a 75 K10 on which i "cut my teeth" on the NP203...it's not one of my favorite t-cases...

[dhallftworth]

ok so ar they strong? the np203 that is...

[FordeatinZ71]

ehh, they're ok as long as you keep the mounts in good shape and TIGHT and as long as the chain stays tight...although, when converted to a "part-time" case, you MUST engage 4wd AT LEAST once a month to ensure proper lubrication circulation.

[chevytaHOE5674]

use the range box off the 203 with a 205 and have a great doubled Tcase.

[FordeatinZ71]

yea, i forgot to mention that...they are EXCELLENT as doubler t-cases...that is really their only "good" use

[Bad75Chevy]

Alrighty ill try and find NP205 and see what kinda price's im looking at.

Why would I want 2 transfercase's?

[chevytaHOE5674]

more gear reduction. Gives you more torque to the wheels. Better for turning big tires and crawling over things.

[Bad75Chevy]

oh okay. Thanks

[DarkCharisma]

You have a PM.

[Bad75Chevy]

replied

[FordeatinZ71]

scratched butt

[Bad75Chevy]

What????????

[FordeatinZ71]

lol, i was making fun of ya'll tellin everything ya'll did related to the PM, it was just a joke...

[Bad75Chevy]

oh okay, lol

[Bad75Chevy]

What's the best gear's and locker to buy?

Also, I have no OD and this will be my daily driver. Going to run 41"-44" tires, what gearing?

[GreaseDog]

how many times and in how many threads are you going to ask this question? 4.56

[Bad75Chevy]

just 2

[Bad75Chevy]

Can I fit 39.5"x13.50 Irock Radial's with a 6" lift and 3" body?

[DarkCharisma]

Can I fit 39.5"x13.50 Irock Radial's with a 6" lift and 3" body?

Probably.

[Bad75Chevy]

alrighty

[Bad75Chevy]

Is IFS stronger then a 3/4 D44?

[ChevyMan02]

No

[FordeatinZ71]

Is IFS stronger then a 3/4 D44?


lol, no, IFS isn't stronger than a 1/2 ton SFA front end...

[chevytaHOE5674]

but a 3/4 D44 is no stronger than a 1/2 D44. If you wheel it hard on tires over 35's expect breakage.

[Bad75Chevy]

okay tought that IFS wasn't, just been seeing guys wtih 38's plus with IFS and wasn't sure if it was or not.

I don't wheel hard. Will be on my Daily Driver and when me and my buddys go mudding its pretty much Hard bottom just deep water with some mud ever now and then, so probley going with a 3/4 D44 for now and when I get a better job start saving, sence I need to get it running agian.

[Bad75Chevy]

What yall think, take body lift off or keep it on? Going to go with a 8" lift kit.

thanks yall

[FordeatinZ71]

ehh, i'd just leave it on...nothing wrong with it...

[Bad75Chevy]

alrighty thanks

[GreaseDog]

what kind of conditions are your body mount bushings in? if they're worn out, i would look into replacing them, and deciding if you're going to keep the body lift or not. personally, if you're planning on going 8" of lift, that will be plenty to clear the tires you're looking at going with without the body lift so i'd ditch it.

[dhallftworth]

Ahh hell keep both and ride even higher.... bigger is better..

[GreaseDog]

higher is not always better, especially with an inexperienced driver like in this case.

not putting you or your ability down by any means bad75. i seem to remember you posting that this was your first truck, which tells me that you have little experience handling a normal sized vehicle on the road, much less one that is highly modified as you're talking about building.

personally, if it were mine, 4" and 35s max for the first go round. after i get used to that, then start moving up.

[FordeatinZ71]

:word: great advice GreaseDog!

[Bad75Chevy]

higher is not always better, especially with an inexperienced driver like in this case.

not putting you or your ability down by any means bad75. i seem to remember you posting that this was your first truck, which tells me that you have little experience handling a normal sized vehicle on the road, much less one that is highly modified as you're talking about building.

personally, if it were mine, 4" and 35s max for the first go round. after i get used to that, then start moving up.


Thanks man, but what I meant is this is my first truck that I paid for myself and have done everthing to it and what not. But I understnad what ur saying.

Thanks yall

[Bad75Chevy]

little up-date.

tring to find a Dana 60 front for my truck, and probely going to run dual transfercase's, as soon as I figure out how your suppose to set it up and make sure I can still put my truck in 2wd and what not. Then im going to paint front/rear axle, put disc brakes on 14 bolt, then put gears in them and then put them under the truck along with 8" front springs and 4" rear spings with 4" rear shakle flip

[Bad75Chevy]

...

[Bad75Chevy]

HEy yall, how do you hook up to run dual transfercase's? will I be able to put my truck in 2wd or no?

Also, do yall think that a Dana 60 Front and a GM 14 Bolt SF rear will hold up to 41" Irocks? Be my daily driver plus taking her out muddin/palying around and what not.

Thanks yall

[GreaseDog]

http://northwestfab.com/203-205adaptor.html

http://www.offroaddesign.com/catalog/doubler.htm

yes, with a doubler you will be able to put the truck in 2wd. you will also have an option of putting the 203 in low range, and the 205 (behind it) in 2wd, giving you a 2wd low range. put the 203 in hi range and the 205 in low range and it would be just like the 203 werent there, and you were running the 205 in low. then if you go to low range in both cases, you would be running a 4:1 low range.

there are plenty of guys out there with much heavier rigs, and much more power, running much bigger tires on a 60/14

[Bad75Chevy]

http://northwestfab.com/203-205adaptor.html

http://www.offroaddesign.com/catalog/doubler.htm

yes, with a doubler you will be able to put the truck in 2wd. you will also have an option of putting the 203 in low range, and the 205 (behind it) in 2wd, giving you a 2wd low range. put the 203 in hi range and the 205 in low range and it would be just like the 203 werent there, and you were running the 205 in low. then if you go to low range in both cases, you would be running a 4:1 low range.

there are plenty of guys out there with much heavier rigs, and much more power, running much bigger tires on a 60/14

Awesome thanks man!! wow well that sounds like the best way for me to go then! instead of doing the conversion kit. Thanks

Alrighty so they should hold up to 41"-42" Irocks.
THanks

[dhallftworth]

Are you talking about running 2 transfer case in line???

[FordeatinZ71]

yes, he is. the 203/205 doubler kit...

[dhallftworth]

ok that's what I thought he was talking about.... I thought about doing that with a couple of my cases but wasn't sure bout it...

[1989K1500]

Awesome thanks man!! wow well that sounds like the best way for me to go then! instead of doing the conversion kit. Thanks

Alrighty so they should hold up to 41"-42" Irocks.
THanks
Id do an ff for 41s. IMO

[FordeatinZ71]

yea, that's what i've tried to tell him before...YOU NEED 1-ton AXLES FOR TIRES THAT BIG. but he'll just have to learn the hard way i assume...oh well, it won't take long to learn the lesson...

[1989K1500]

yea, that's what i've tried to tell him before...YOU NEED 1-ton AXLES FOR TIRES THAT BIG. but he'll just have to learn the hard way i assume...oh well, it won't take long to learn the lesson...
He can run a 7.5 10 bolt from a Camaro for all I care I just gave my opinion. lol Also I dont know why youd put in a d60 front and not do a 14ff rear.

[GREY-GHOST]

Live and learn

[FordeatinZ71]

yep, sometimes life can be one expensive lesson...

[Bad75Chevy]

Are you talking about running 2 transfer case in line???

yea, going to look into getting an NP205 and hook it up to my NP203

[Bad75Chevy]

Id do an ff for 41s. IMO

I got a 14 bolt SF(im pretty sure)

[Bad75Chevy]

yea, that's what i've tried to tell him before...YOU NEED 1-ton AXLES FOR TIRES THAT BIG. but he'll just have to learn the hard way i assume...oh well, it won't take long to learn the lesson...

so your telling me my GM 14 bolt isn't a 1 ton? its 10.5" ring gear the feller told me

[Bad75Chevy]

Are Detriot lockers street friendly or no?

[1989K1500]

so your telling me my GM 14 bolt isn't a 1 ton? its 10.5" ring gear the feller told me
if its 10.5 ring gear its a ff, sf is 9.5 inch ring gear.

[Bad75Chevy]

wll the feller I bought the axle from said its the big axle, the 10.5" ring gear I belive.
How can I tell from lookin at the axle?

[FordeatinZ71]

man, if you have a K-1500 (like your sig says) you have a 1/2 ton. they didn't put a 14-bolt SF or FF in that year 1/2 ton. you most likely have a 12-bolt. a quick leap under your truck (not too quick, there IS a bumper there) and a count of your diff cover bolts will clear that up. anyhow, if you are planning on swapping in a 14-bolt FF and D60 before you add the big tires then great, nevermind what i said. but if you are planning on doing more than wheeling them out of the shop on those 1/2 ton axles i'd strongly reconsider.

edit-to tell which one you have, do two things. first, count the bolts holding on the diff cover...do you have 14? ok, now look at the ends. do you have a cap with bolts around it in the center? ok, you have a FF axle...if you don't, then you have a SF.

[Bad75Chevy]

man, if you have a K-1500 (like your sig says) you have a 1/2 ton. they didn't put a 14-bolt SF or FF in that year 1/2 ton. you most likely have a 12-bolt. a quick leap under your truck (not too quick, there IS a bumper there) and a count of your diff cover bolts will clear that up. anyhow, if you are planning on swapping in a 14-bolt FF and D60 before you add the big tires then great, nevermind what i said. but if you are planning on doing more than wheeling them out of the shop on those 1/2 ton axles i'd strongly reconsider.

edit-to tell which one you have, do two things. first, count the bolts holding on the diff cover...do you have 14? ok, now look at the ends. do you have a cap with bolts around it in the center? ok, you have a FF axle...if you don't, then you have a SF.

YES I HAVE A 1975 GMC SEIRRA K-15!! YES I HAVE 1/2 TON AXLES, DANA 44 FRONT AND GM 12 BOLT REAR! IF YALL PAID ATTENTION IN MY THREAD I ALREADY BOUGHT A 14 BOLT REAR AXLE AND HAVE IT SITTING IN MY YARD!

Yes I plan on getting a D60 and putting in my 14 bolt, then do lift kit, tires/wheels.

Alrighty, then I have the GM 14 Bolt FF Rear Axle(1 Ton axle).

[GREY-GHOST]

:bawl: calm down bro
EDIT: some of us have ADD and its hard to pay attention through 8 pages

[Bad75Chevy]

nah im straight man, just sounded like yall thought I didn't know what im talking about and what not.

I really appercaite yalls help tho!

[FordeatinZ71]

lol, it's alright man. i had missed your other threads...i usually only check the threads i've responded to before and hell, i miss replies in THOSE threads. so i miss a lot of these newer threads...nice purchases though!

[Bad75Chevy]

nah its alright.

Yea, got a GM 14 Bolt FF(thanks for clearing that up) for $125. Got 3:73 gears and open diff.

BTW-Which one is better for On-Off Road useage? Detriot Locker or TrueTrac?

[FordeatinZ71]

a tru-trac is better for all-around use. hell, you made out like a BANDIT for $125 providing it's in good shape...nice score!

[Bad75Chevy]

a tru-trac is better for all-around use. hell, you made out like a BANDIT for $125 providing it's in good shape...nice score!

Alrighty so ill be putting 4:56-4:88 gears in and the Tru-trac(probley just the rear and keep front open, not sure) in.
Yea, he said he took the diff. apart and everthing looked good and what not.
Wanting to put disk brakes on it, but not sure if I want to do that now or just do it later when I have extra money as right now im out a job and needing to find a new one so I can get a Dana 60 front axle and get gears and tru-trac(rear, maybe front also), also going to paint front/rear axle and check both brakes on front/rear, and then buy 8" front springs, 4" rear shackle flip and 4" springs rear and then 42" Irock Radials and 16" Rock Crawler wheels.

[FordeatinZ71]

sounds like a good plan

[GREY-GHOST]

lol, it's alright man. i had missed your other threads...i usually only check the threads i've responded to before and hell, i miss replies in THOSE threads. so i miss a lot of these newer threads...nice purchases though!
too busy postin pics of fatties :mushy:

[Bad75Chevy]

Awesome thanks buddy!

Ill post an up-dated list here in a bit.

[GREY-GHOST]

you need some 5.38s

[Bad75Chevy]

Up-Dated List:

Motor Modification's:
1.Holley Truck Avenger 4 Barrel Carburetor 670cfm
2.Comp Cam Extreme 4x4 Cam (1000-5200 rpm)
3.Edelbrock Performer EPS Air Intake(idle-5500rpm)
4.Hooker Competition Headers
5.True Duals with FlowMaster's
6.MSD Off-Road Ignition
7.MSD Spark Plug Wires 8.5mm
8.Optima Batterie
9.Edelbrock 1” Carburetor Spacer
10.K&N Air Filter(done)
11.NGK Spark Plugs
12.Edelbrock Chrome Signature Series Value Covers
13.383CI Stroker Kit with .060 Oversize piston's

Drive-Train:
1. Do Doubler NP203/NP205
2. Transfer-case Lowering kit
3. Warn Premium Lock-out front hubs
4. (2)Steering Stabilizer's
5. Steering Box Brace(welded verison)
6. Rancho RS9000XL Shocks(on all 4 corners)
7. 4:56-4:88 Ring&Pinion Gear's Front/Rear
8. 42-x-16” Irocks
9. 8” front springs, rear 4” shackle flip with 4” springs
10. Ladder Bars
11. Swap in GM 14 Bolt Rear-End and do Disc Brake Conversion(already got axle)
12. Swap in Dana 60 Front-end and Do Cross-over steering.
13. Detriot Tru-Trac rear(probley front also)

Interior/Exterior:
1.Mossy Oak Bench Seat Cover
2.Rhino line or Line-X Truck Bed and Interior Floor
3.Extra Lights front/rear
4.CB with Whip Antenna
5.Air Compressor in truck bed(Maybe-Welder also)
6.High-Lift Jack
7.Do aluminum or dimond plate dash
8.Tachometer
9.New AMP Gage(done) just need installed
10.16” Steel Black Rock Crawler wheels
11.Bushwhacker Cut-Out Fender Flares
12.Brushed Aluminum Side Steps
13.Fix Rust on truck
14.Re-Tint Window's on truck
15.Re-paint truck blue, add rebel flag on hood(maybe roof also)

[Bad75Chevy]

you need some 5.38s

Really? But I got no Over-drive. Its a 3 speed auto. I think I have a TH350 tranny.

That other guy that has replied on here said 4:56 gearing with 39.5's so I figured 4:88 would be good.

[1989K1500]

Id get a full detroit, it just goes inside your open diff.

a tru-trac is better for all-around use. hell, you made out like a BANDIT for $125 providing it's in good shape...nice score!
I can get em all day for 125 complete axles. Thats what I paid for mine, I got an open diff so I could stick a detroit in it later.

[GreaseDog]

Really? But I got no Over-drive. Its a 3 speed auto. I think I have a TH350 tranny.

That other guy that has replied on here said 4:56 gearing with 39.5's so I figured 4:88 would be good.:aniteef: 5.38s only if you have no OD, or dont plan to drive it on the street. too much gear for a ~40" tire without OD

[FordeatinZ71]

too busy postin pics of fatties :mushy:


hey, fat girls are like mopeds...you like riding 'em, you just don't want your friends to see ya...

they weren't "fat", they were just 4 feet too short :dunno:

[Bad75Chevy]

[QUOTE=1989K1500]Id get a full detroit, it just goes inside your open diff. QUOTE]

well this is going on my daily driver, and probley go muddin a few time's a week tho like after-school(depending on if I have to work or not) and go muddin on weekends and what not.

[Bad75Chevy]

:aniteef: 5.38s only if you have no OD, or dont plan to drive it on the street. too much gear for a ~40" tire without OD

So should I go with 4:88 gear's with 41"-42" Irocks?

[chevytaHOE5674]

If the 14b FF is an open diff then get a detroit locker, it goes inside the stock open carrier. I run my on the street in my 14b everyday and it isn't to bad. You get used to the handling in the rain and slick surfaces and the noise and it isn't so bad.

[Bad75Chevy]

Yes the 14 Bolt FF I got is open diff. with 3:73 gear's, but going to up-grade to 4:88 gears. Alrighty so go wtih the Detriot locker rear and how about the True-trac up front?

[Bad75Chevy]

bump!

Up-date: Just going to do Conversion kit on my NP203 as I talked to a off-road shop and convencied me not to do a doubler and what not, esspecilly sence its going to be my DD so don't really need 2 t-case's and what not.
Also should have a new job soon and will be saving up for D60 front, 4:88 Yukon gears front/rear, and atleast a Detriot locker rear and then work on getting Tru-trac front later on or something.
Thanks

[Bad75Chevy]

bump

[chopperfreak2k1]

what the hell does bump mean?:dunno:

[badbowtie_907]

its a way to update your thread to the top of the page

[GREY-GHOST]

Let this thread go. Make a thread once you get your stuff all together and have it assembled, not everytime you change your mind.

[89_chevy]

Let this thread go. Make a thread once you get your stuff all together and have it assembled, not everytime you change your mind.
x2

[FordeatinZ71]

yea man, this project thread is gonna be 50 pages long by the time it all starts. this has been a good thread to bounce your ideas off others, but you need to start a new thread when your project actually starts...and, instead of rebumping this repeatedly for every new cotton-picking thing, just re-edit your original posts...please and thank you

[badbowtie_907]

i agree!

[Bad75Chevy]

alright yall damn simmer down, I got the hint the first damn time