mini-stacks anyone?

[Ivan D.]

Mkay, new exhaust is in, ran me about $55 and took about 2 hours to install:

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/596046/thumbnail/exhaust-007.jpg (http://www.supermotors.net/vehicles/registry/media/596046) http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/596047/thumbnail/exhaust-008.jpg (http://www.supermotors.net/vehicles/registry/media/596047) http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/596048/thumbnail/exhaust-009.jpg (http://www.supermotors.net/vehicles/registry/media/596048) http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/596050/thumbnail/exhaust-011.jpg (http://www.supermotors.net/vehicles/registry/media/596050) http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/596051/thumbnail/exhaust-012.jpg (http://www.supermotors.net/vehicles/registry/media/596051)

(thumbnails are clicky for big pics)

[FinalBreath]

i say spred them out a lil more, other than that its bad ass. Still debating to get rid of my side exhaust before the tires for stacks. idk if its worth doing with a 350

[Ivan D.]

can't spread them, my bed floor gots wood plants, had to drill along their center lines. If I wanna spread them out I'll have to jump on the next planks over and the flex pipes will run into the frame under the bed. Besides, like that they're great for engine diagnostics, there ain't no crossover pipe anywhere in this setup so if I put my head between the pipes I could tell which side is misfiring, which is burning oil, and such

Oh yeah, about stacks vs. sidepipes - personally I'd run sidepipes, but I got Chevelle headers so I can't clear the frame rails without some major bending & welding, I'd say if you already got sidepipes and they work fine then just leave 'em alone. And by the way, tis a 350 that's breathing out through my stacks, piping is 2.5" all the way from the headers.

[FinalBreath]

awesome. Get some of them flappers for the top. lol. Good job

[Ivan D.]

flappers need a straight cut pipes, I got mine done with a slant cut, so no flappers for a while. I'd put a flapper if I had done the single 3" exhaust I initially wanted, but that'd be a bit more involved than I can handle without having a pipe-bender and welder a a garage to put the truck in. These stacks were actually just added to the true-dual exhaust I installed last summer, that's why it was so cheap and fast to get them in

[Redbird]

Looks kinda "Hillbilly" to me. But then, it's not my truck... is it?;)

I'd consider fab'ing up some kind of guard around them (like a tractor/trailer) to make them appear thicker/bigger. The 2.5" diameter pipe looks small even when it's under the vehicle. Out in the wide open like that, it looks like you're hauling tent poles.

[Ivan D.]

He, tis gonna be a while before I can afford the chrome mesh needed to make those, but I like your idea, it will be pretty cool.

[Jaymez]

Not my style, but, to each his own. I'd probably consider cutting them down, but, I run into clearance issues pulling into my garage.

I've joked that I want side pipes on my truck. Has anyone here done that?

[GarnerZ]

that is awesome!!! get some exhaust vids asap

[GreaseDog]

stacks on a shortbed 2wd gasser... the only thing that would make it worse would be if they were made with flex pipe.:whatever:

[tonxcab]

you need a sound clip or video now

[JaxRhapsody]

See thats what I wanted to do with mine. I figured that was the only way to install them cause of the gastank; to be close together in the bed. I never knew what it would look like either, if it would look good. It would be nice to run them on the sides of the truck right there between the bed and cab(i might steal one of your pics Ivan to draw it in paints). If you've went to the Cherrybomb website they have a caddi or lincoln with 6ft. glass packs on the sides as zoomies, I figure some 4½ ft. ones as stacks. I would run a gaurd though like a mesh grate in front so cargo wont slam into the pipes. Mine are 2¼ diameter. Where can you git the flappers at? I had to add to favorites as a reference to the muffler shop when I do mine. Oh and I have the sweptside shortbed no pics yet.

[Ivan D.]

Not my style, but, to each his own. I'd probably consider cutting them down, but, I run into clearance issues pulling into my garage.

I've joked that I want side pipes on my truck. Has anyone here done that?
A guy on 67-72.com has a '75 short stepper, all black, with a light lift (tis a 2wd, so just springs and blocks), he runs patriot sidepipes, it looks pretty cool, I'll see if I can find some of his pics... yes, found them, here:

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/attachment.php?attachmentid=308383&stc=1&d=1192836177

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/attachment.php?attachmentid=308384&stc=1&d=1192836177

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/attachment.php?attachmentid=308385&stc=1&d=1192836177

[Ivan D.]

stacks on a shortbed 2wd gasser... the only thing that would make it worse would be if they were made with flex pipe.:whatever:
Uhm, have you never noticed how extremely not rigid the frames of these trucks are torsionally, running the tight fit and tiny clearances I have around my exhaust in the tranny crossmember area I'd be an idiot if I used anything but flexpipe to join the mufflers to the stacks - stacks are firmly attached to the bed so the first curb or median or parking lot divider I try to climb over will cause the frame to flex and rip something apart. Hell, even 18-wheeler tractors use short pieces of flexpipe to connect cab-mounted stacks to the frame-mounted main exhaust, only there tis cause the cab moves, and not cause of frame flex.

[Ivan D.]

JaxRhapsody, the car you're referring to is a Caddy, however here's a nice Lincoln that I has better looking sidepipes:
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/10/web/442000-442999/442592_17_full.jpg

For your idea, there ain't much space between the bed and the cab, if there were more that's where I'd run my stacks through too. For what you want I believe your best bet are the Patriot sidepipes, they come in chrome and with the guard and already got the glasspacks incorporated in them, you only have to drill the holes in the bed and mount them vertically behind the cab instead of horizontally under the door steps like they're usually used. The holes in the wooden floor will need to be about 5-6" fro the front wall of the bed cause there's another small crossmember under there that you will need to clear with the pipes, that's why mine ain't tucked against said wall (you can see the crossmember in the first picture I posted). Once you have the sidepipes up there as stacks, just run flex pipe from them to the pipes coming off your headers/manifolds, the sidepipes have a 2" inlet I believe and they also have the 90-degree elbow in the beginning, so you'll only need short straight pieces of flex pipe and won't have to bend them like I did. No need for mufflers in that setup, as the glasspacks already have those, just run straight pipes to them and you'll be good. Patriot sidepipes can be had for $150-200 depending on length desired, here's a link from Summit Racing:
http://store.summitracing.com/egnsearch.asp?N=700+400002+305030+4294847333+115&autoview=sku

[GreaseDog]

Uhm, have you never noticed how extremely not rigid the frames of these trucks are torsionally, running the tight fit and tiny clearances I have around my exhaust in the tranny crossmember area I'd be an idiot if I used anything but flexpipe to join the mufflers to the stacks - stacks are firmly attached to the bed so the first curb or median or parking lot divider I try to climb over will cause the frame to flex and rip something apart. Hell, even 18-wheeler tractors use short pieces of flexpipe to connect cab-mounted stacks to the frame-mounted main exhaust, only there tis cause the cab moves, and not cause of frame flex.
yup, im well aware of this. there's not a nut or bolt i havent turned on one of these trucks. i've got several friend with stacks, one with a '66 stepside and a 427 tall deck (lifted mud truck, big power) and a couple with Cummins swaps and stacks. all use rigid pipe, and none have problems with frame flex and solid mounted stacks.

with the big truck flex exhaust, there's a HUGE difference between that stuff and what you're using. the big truck stuff is made of stainless steel, and much higher quality, i use it all the time at work. that stuff will last a long time, yours is designed for temporary use. there's a reason you find it next to muffler bandage at the auto parts store. a few months and you'll be replacing it.

[Ivan D.]

Oh, I know about the big rig stuff, I have a nice '78 W900 parked in a barn across state waiting on me to get my CDL (that I can't afford any time soon, unfortunately). So you say it will be fine with the solid piping? Would have never figured that, seeing how much my frame flexes when I put one wheel on the curb... but I'll take your word for it, when the flex pipe rots out I'll just replace it with solid 90-deg elbows and eliminate the hangers behind the mufflers to allow a bit more flex in the exhaust. Although the flex pipe I used actually seems to be of much higher quality than the repair pieces you mention (which I know are POS), so it may be a while before I need to replace it.

[FordeatinZ71]

not bad...i think they'd have looked better ran outside of the bed, like the old Lil Red Express trucks, or even farther apart in the bed, but this still looks pretty good. i've never liked 'em much on a gasser, i think they only belong on diesels that can blow some black smoke out of 'em.

anyway, with that being said, i had 'em on a truck of mine too. the flappers will drive you crazy...they sound like a cow's bell coming up the road and will have your friends coming up with tons of "MORE COWBELL" jokes.

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/3/web/411000-411999/411137_1_full.jpg

P.S. get ready for soot all over your roof...even the cleanest running engine will do it.

[Ivan D.]

Nah, don't like them like on the Red Express too much, if they're coming out all the way on the sides may as well be sidepipes like on that black truck a few posts above. I do agree with you on the big diesel thing tho, one of the reasons I went with the smaller diameter is to not look like I have monster diesel power and not be able to back it up... that, and I like keeping exhaust velocity high, not too likely with 4" chimneys. Also, just for the record, I can blow black smoke too, remember I have a crazey carb - once them secondaries go to WOT it makes for some interesting smoke and sound effects :wink:

As for the soot, I had a girl fire up the W900 on me just as I was on top of the sleeper checking the flappers, went from white kid to african in split second, lol :D However, your stacks are pretty low, mine got at least half a foot up, so hopefully I won't be getting too much of black stuff on my roof.

[FordeatinZ71]

oh trust me man, i've seen those stacks in all different sizes (i am a BIG fan on a mud truck or a diesel) and they all spray soot. you might not get as MUCH, but remember, what goes up must come down...

i was gonna do it on my old F350, that thing would blow enough smoke to COVER a car behind it...just never wanted to give up my toolbox and because it was a short bed...

[Ivan D.]

haha, had some jackass in a diesel F250 cut me off on the I35 down in TX, it was bumper to bumper traffic flying at like 80mph and he just whipped right before me, if I hadn't slammed on the brakes he'd have taken my front end off - I flicked the high beams once he was before me, he downshifted and blew the black smoke in my windshield, I just left my highs on and hit him with the auxiliaries too, figured he can't stay in WOT for too long, while I can have my highs on for the rest of the night if needed... I was right, lol :D But okay, I'll keep an eye for the soot on the cab roof.

[FordeatinZ71]

well, he must have had small injectors. when i kicked the smoke in my F350 i could do it for a mile or so and you wouldn't SEE in front of you. it was like night with no lights on. you wouldn't see my truck...AT ALL

[JaxRhapsody]

I have a sweptswide bed-no wood

[FordeatinZ71]

sweptside? that's Dodge talk...we call 'em Fleetsides here...:biggrin:

[Ivan D.]

well, he must have had small injectors. when i kicked the smoke in my F350 i could do it for a mile or so and you wouldn't SEE in front of you. it was like night with no lights on. you wouldn't see my truck...AT ALL
When do diesels make that smoke tho? Only time I've seen my tractor do it is after an large rpm drop/rise, and that's about it, but of course I never pulled a trailer with it so I don't know if it will do it under load... So how do you kick in the smoke, and how do you keep it running?

[Ivan D.]

I have a sweptswide bed-no wood
Yep, fleetside is the Chevy term for it, and in that case you can spread the stacks more, but you're still limited by the frame rails width - my stacks are 16" apart (center to center), I'm thinking you can get maybe 10" more if you tuck them right next to the frame rails, but if you want them in the corners of the bed you'll have to deal with the gas tank(s).

[Chevyman247]

just never wanted to give up my toolbox and because it was a short bed...

I saw a diesiel the other day with stacks and a toolbox, the toolbox was installed with about 4" inbetween it and the front bed wall, so that the stacks were installed behind the toolbox and infront of the front of the bed.

does that make sense?

[Ivan D.]

It makes sense, but I'd hate to be the one cleaning them leaves and junk from between the toolbox and bed wall and around the stacks...

[Jaymez]

I worked with a kid who drove a beater 6 cylinder Dakota. He put stacks on his truck and thought it was "bad ass". The rest of us could only laugh at him.

Personally, I've seen too many F350s with stacks to consider putting them on my trucks. Glad you like yours, though.

One thought on the soot issue. Would putting a 90 degree bend on the tip so all the smoke gets directed rearward help prevent the build up?

[Ivan D.]

Ya man, seeen it here too, a 4-banger S10 with freakin 5" chrome stacks, and that's just the looks I wanted to get away from by keeping the pipe size down - I think it still looks kinda cool, yet don't pretend to be something it ain't.

About the soot thing, I'd expect it to be an issue mostly when sitting in traffic, as long as truck's moving the wind will blow the smoke behind so soot will land elsewhere.

Also, one thing I didn't plan on, tis much much quieter in the cab now - I was so used to the loud crazey noises after the engine warmed up and the idle rpms dropped at some point I had to check the tach to make sure the thing is still running, lol :D Ain't complaining tho, now I don't have to crank my radio up no more.

[Jaymez]

Your truck runs better with those things? Sweet!

One more thought on soot in general. If your truck is running right, I don't care if it's a diesel or not, it shouldn't be belching thick smoke anyway.

I drove trailer trucks. Volvos, Freightliners, and Internationals. None of them belched smoke, even under loads. The only trucks I ever saw belching smoke were those that were poorly maintained. Sure, the trailers still got covered, but, the trucks didn't look like coal burning trains, either.

Then again, Internationals are crap trucks. I'd never buy anything with any parts made by Navistar. I think I had 5 Internationals, all of 'em were falling apart.

My Volvo had no power at all. There's no reason to drop 4 gears when hauling 10,000# up a light grade. I'll avoid Cummings power, too.

No complaints about the Freightliner, aside from it being made by Daimler-Benz.

[FordeatinZ71]

When do diesels make that smoke tho? Only time I've seen my tractor do it is after an large rpm drop/rise, and that's about it, but of course I never pulled a trailer with it so I don't know if it will do it under load... So how do you kick in the smoke, and how do you keep it running?


ok, lots here i gotta respond to. yes, the smoke is caused by overfueling. all you had to do to really kick it in is to turn the computer chip up all the way (i had a 4-position computer chip-the top setting was referred to as the "Get the FU*K outta the way" setting by the guy who burned it) and then it would smoke pretty good whenever you got on it, but ESPECIALLY when you bogged it down. all i had to do was bog it a little and then when it was bogged pretty good just punch it...it would just churn out the smoke. i have a video somewhere of it...let me see if i can find it...well, the video isn't of it kicking massive smoke out, it was just me taking off like a bat out of hell.


Yep, fleetside is the Chevy term for it, and in that case you can spread the stacks more, but you're still limited by the frame rails width - my stacks are 16" apart (center to center), I'm thinking you can get maybe 10" more if you tuck them right next to the frame rails, but if you want them in the corners of the bed you'll have to deal with the gas tank(s).

well, true and not true. you know how the diesel guys put the stacks whereever they want them in the bed? they run a SINGLE pipe through a SINGLE hole in their bed...then they "T" off into two stacks INSIDE the bed. on a diesel you don't need true duals to get more performance. actually, if you use the right size pipe you don't need duals on a gasser either...it's more for looks. you could have gotten a lot cooler look by going with a single pipe (about a 2.5 or 3" diameter) and putting a "T" in the bed and going to dual 4" stacks like the diesel guys. that would have looked pretty slick, and then kept the miter cut (that's what the slant cut is called normally) but made the stack about as tall as the cab, not go really far above it. but your's doesn't look BAD either...


saw a diesiel the other day with stacks and a toolbox, the toolbox was installed with about 4" inbetween it and the front bed wall, so that the stacks were installed behind the toolbox and infront of the front of the bed.

does that make sense?

i totally get what you are saying. but with me already having a shortbed that wasn't an option. they also build custom boxes now that have sections cut out of the front corners to allow for dual stacks to come out. looks pretty cool but i wouldn't think it'd be a very useful toolbox. not to mention i liked being able to smoke out tailgating traffic so i just kept my tailpipe exiting out the right side...4" pipe too...:biggrin:

One thought on the soot issue. Would putting a 90 degree bend on the tip so all the smoke gets directed rearward help prevent the build up?

this helps TREMENDOUSLY...not to mention it stops the water buildup in your pipes that corrode them over time...the water buildup is also what causes a LOT of your soot, when you first startup and it is sprayed out of the pipes, along with the soot that it has absorbed. another way diesel guys deal with water buildup is to drill tiny holes in the lowest part of the pipes...

[badbowtie_907]

Looks like they will fill right up with water.

[Ivan D.]

Looks like they will fill right up with water.
Not while the engine's running, having small pipes like those should create enough exhaust velocity to keep 'em droplets away when stopped at a light, when moving there ain't no concern at all as proven by me remaining perfectly dry in my topless Lincoln while flying through pouring rain heavy enough to make 18-wheelers pull over. Now when parked somewhere, that's a whole different game, but that's what 24oz Mountain Dew bottles are invented for - cut the neck off and they slip on 'em pipes so nice and tight tis scarey.

[Ivan D.]

ok, lots here i gotta respond to. yes, the smoke is caused by overfueling. all you had to do to really kick it in is to turn the computer chip up all the way (i had a 4-position computer chip-the top setting was referred to as the "Get the FU*K outta the way" setting by the guy who burned it) and then it would smoke pretty good whenever you got on it, but ESPECIALLY when you bogged it down. all i had to do was bog it a little and then when it was bogged pretty good just punch it...it would just churn out the smoke. i have a video somewhere of it...let me see if i can find it...well, the video isn't of it kicking massive smoke out, it was just me taking off like a bat out of hell.
Aaaha, so it really ain't much different than me getting unto the secondaries and blowing my unburnt gas down (well, now up) the pipes.

well, true and not true. you know how the diesel guys put the stacks whereever they want them in the bed? they run a SINGLE pipe through a SINGLE hole in their bed...then they "T" off into two stacks INSIDE the bed. on a diesel you don't need true duals to get more performance. actually, if you use the right size pipe you don't need duals on a gasser either...it's more for looks. you could have gotten a lot cooler look by going with a single pipe (about a 2.5 or 3" diameter) and putting a "T" in the bed and going to dual 4" stacks like the diesel guys. that would have looked pretty slick, and then kept the miter cut (that's what the slant cut is called normally) but made the stack about as tall as the cab, not go really far above it. but your's doesn't look BAD either...
Dunno man, I'd really like the pipes to come as duals through the bed, makes for a much much cleaner look, to me at least. I do know about the single vs. dual exhaust tho, ideally what I'd run in my truck would be headers, 2.5" downpipes into a Flowmaster Y-collector, then a 3" single pipe back and up behind the cab, no muffler and with a "more cowbell" flapper on top of it - nice and loud, very free-flowing, and sucking out the cylinders like a pissed-off BloodRayne. But, of course, my headers are way too high, I managed to (barely) sneak some S-pipes in there for the true duals, but no way in hell I clear the tranny for a Y-pipe or even a regula H-crossover. Ain't got no buddy at an exhaust shop either...

not to mention i liked being able to smoke out tailgating traffic so i just kept my tailpipe exiting out the right side...4" pipe too...:biggrin:
Haha, I loved it when I had my side exist in the Lincoln - dual 3" tips right before the rear wheels, pointing slightly up too, for that perfect shot at the door window of the guy next to me. No cats either, and just Thrush glasspacks - when a non-HO Ford ECM goes into WOT it damn near hangs the injectors open, if you happen to drive next to me you really really don't want me to make the pedal meet the floorboard metal :rocking: That's all gone now tho, a jump over a high curb took care of the exhaust tips, and the exhaust tips took care of my rear tires, lol

[sandthrower]

I've joked that I want side pipes on my truck. Has anyone here done that?

Hooker headers bolted to 5" Laker
no gas tanks, moved tank in box so everything is nice a tight.
http://w3.bikepics.com/pics/2007/11/06/bikepics-1079714-800.jpg

Im thinking of cutting them off and running them on the outside of the box were the steps are right behind the cab:whatever:

[FordeatinZ71]

truck's lookin good Sandthrower!

[44gmcnewf]

theres a kid i went to school with got a f250 super duty with 4 inch stacks with the rain cap and old. My opinion stacks belong on heavy equipment. And they dont look that great on the lil red express.

[FordeatinZ71]

well, i kinda agree...i don't think they really belong on a 2wd 1/2 ton, but when you get into the 3/4-1-ton diesels those are HD enough to have 'em i think.

[nova801428]

Sweet stacks. Look good cut at an angle

[Ivan D.]

I actually agree about the Red Express stacks, they way they were placed it should have been a big-rig tractor, and since it ain't no such thing stacks should have been relocated... tis my personal opinion of course.

Mine tho, love 'em, took the truck out to the movies tonight, and the smaller diameter does indeed make for some pretty cool smoke show, teh two smoke trails hanging at like 7ft up in teh air look pretty darn sweet :D

[FordeatinZ71]

you should make a nighttime video of it...with maybe just a street light to illuminate it, so you can see the smoke hanging in the cool night air...

[Ivan D.]

maybe, next time I decide I need to wast 3 gallons of gas for a bag of potato taters and a bottle of Pepsi... maybe I should read the camera manual beforehand tho, lol

[FordeatinZ71]

hahahah, that's awesome! my girl is doing BAD on gas lately...having no OD or lockup torque convertor and having auto-locking hubs that won't "auto-unlock", lol. i drove a 70 mile round trip today and it took me $20 in gas...just to be on DEAD empty when i got home...

[Ivan D.]

Yep, think I managed to get mine to stabilize at about 10mpg city driving, funny thing is if I just fire up and go it burns less fuel (in gallons/hour) than if I let it sit and warm up - never figured that out, but if that's what she wants that's what I'll give her. Oh yah, and last nite Dennie called again from 'Bama and tried to make me feel better about it by confirming that her "new" F150 does indeed average at over 15mpg, and that's with the 351W, the lift, the mud-slingers, and the hubs and T-case locked in 4x4 mode - now tell me if life is fair, wtf?! And she gots dual tanks too, so once she fills up she can just drive the hell outta it, and I pull over at every other gas station along the freeway! I hate her, she's my girl and I love her, but I still hate her, I tell ya! :D Lol, darn trucks!

[FordeatinZ71]

that's odd. my 2wd F150 with 351W couldn't get 15 mpg if it was in neutral coasting down a hill...

[Ivan D.]

Which year F150 tho? Hers is an '86 (originally batch-fire MPFI) converted to sequential MPFI and with some evil cam in it, dunno the details as my buddy who built it don't say too much cause I'm from the "dark side", lol :D I do know the rev-limiter kicks in at 5k tho (that's the first thing we tried), and that under 1k nothing really happens but between 1k and 3k darn thing feels like it can pull a house behind it, kinda like mine only better.

[FordeatinZ71]

oh, ok, she has SEFI. totally different beast. mine is an '85 with the good 'ol 4 barrel.

[Ivan D.]

Which is still weird tho, my 350 has a 4-barrel and in the summer I can pull 18-19mpg freeway all day long, even 20 if i get lucky and conditions are just right. Then again my air/fuel delivery is all aftermarket, guess 'em small primaries + 'em split runners really do what they're supposed to do... Eh, if I see 15mpg now I'm happy, thanks a lot winter!

[GreaseDog]

you sure her speedo is calibrated right? that will throw the odometer off as well as any milage calculations.

[Ivan D.]

Speedo gear is correct, but she uses a GPS, she can't read a map even if her life depends on it, so she uses one of those Garmin gadgets.

[92 sierra slx]

:gay: :gay: gay dude gay its gas motored and its not or will it ever be a warlock or little red express :gay: :gay:

[FordeatinZ71]

haha, i almost forgot about the Warlock...it always looked better than the Lil Red did to me...

but FWIW the Warlock didn't have the stacks on it...
http://www.moparts.org/moparts/picture/oldweb/1one/CARLEY6.jpg

http://www.oldcartrader.com/files/121749_3.jpg

[Ivan D.]

:gay: :gay: gay dude gay its gas motored and its not or will it ever be a warlock or little red express :gay: :gay:
Dude, can you read? Like, at all? The pipes are only 2.5" so the gas vs. diesel thing don't hold here, also I said i do not like the Red Express - I have side stacks on my W900, but will never put them on any pickup truck, they only look right in big rigs.

By the way, I found out the mini-stacks are a great way to get tailgaters to back off - the airflow around the cab carries the smoke down straight in the tailgater's windshield, and downshifting to 1st and spinning past 3k usually makes for quite the smoke show. Also if someone lays on their horn cause they think I'm too slow off the red light I can go WOT and aforementioned smoke show is now a quite black smoke show - diesel effect from a gasser, big secondaries FTW, lol :D

[GreaseDog]

Dude, can you read? Like, at all? The pipes are only 2.5" so the gas vs. diesel thing don't hold here, also I said i do not like the Red Express - I have side stacks on my W900, but will never put them on any pickup truck, they only look right in big rigs.


Mkay, new exhaust is in, ran me about $55 and took about 2 hours to install:

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/596046/thumbnail/exhaust-007.jpg (http://www.supermotors.net/vehicles/registry/media/596046) http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/596047/thumbnail/exhaust-008.jpg (http://www.supermotors.net/vehicles/registry/media/596047) http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/596048/thumbnail/exhaust-009.jpg (http://www.supermotors.net/vehicles/registry/media/596048) http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/596050/thumbnail/exhaust-011.jpg (http://www.supermotors.net/vehicles/registry/media/596050) http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/596051/thumbnail/exhaust-012.jpg (http://www.supermotors.net/vehicles/registry/media/596051)

(thumbnails are clicky for big pics)

care to explain your blatant contradiction?:whatever:

it is gay, its a gas truck, period.

By the way, I found out the mini-stacks are a great way to get tailgaters to back off - the airflow around the cab carries the smoke down straight in the tailgater's windshield, and downshifting to 1st and spinning past 3k usually makes for quite the smoke show. Also if someone lays on their horn cause they think I'm too slow off the red light I can go WOT and aforementioned smoke show is now a quite black smoke show - diesel effect from a gasser, big secondaries FTW, lol :D
big secondaries? no... try improperly tuned carburetor. my Quardajet trucks NEVER blow smoke of any kind.

[Ivan D.]

care to explain your blatant contradiction?:whatever:
Yes sir, sure can -> side stacks = the stacks that go on the side of the cab (like the Red Express and many big rigs have them), vs. behind the cab (like I have them, and FordeatingZ71 had them, and most diesel pickup truck guys have them). Also, tis not gay, maybe uncool, silly, dumb, retarded, redneck, or anything like that, but tis not gay - if someone came to my face and told me some of my stuff is gay I'll pick a fight right away, no matter who they are (well, except for an LEO or my grandpa, but they wouldn't use such a language anyways) or how big they are, it has happened many times, sometimes I get my ass kicked, sometimes not, but I've never been called gay repeatedly. I take no joke when it comes to that, absolutely no joke whatsoever - second time someone online says my stuff is gay all may respect for them goes straight out the window.

big secondaries? no... try improperly tuned carburetor. my Quardajet trucks NEVER blow smoke of any kind.
Don't have to try, I know it - secondary jets are a bit too big, however I was too broke to buy a jet kit to tune it right, and now it's just too damn cold outside to be messing with trucks. Not too great of a concern tho, seeing how my secondaries start opening at about 3/4 throttle, and if I punch it on a wet/salty road the rear end usually starts getting squirrelly well before that, so going WOT is not something I consider safe to do over and over again just to tune a feature of carb that is not in urgent need of tuning. Could of course take it to a dyno place, however when it comes to specialty-shop work a roll bar for my Lincoln takes priority over the secondaries in my rusty POS truck any time.

Anyhow, case closed, if a moderator wishes to lock the thread that's aight by me - I'll keep all my mods to myself from now on, thanks folks.

[JaxRhapsody]

Hey I said I liked what you did an i wanna do it to. I just dont want them behind the cab but that may be the only way

[Ivan D.]

JR, I ain't saying everyone has to like it, heck no, I'm just getting pissed at the arguments they bring up against it: tis a gasser, it ain't no Red Express, and so on - if you don't like it you don't like it, tis cool, no need for BS reasons and comments of that sort. I told y'all I wasn't going neither for the diesel looks nor for the Red Express looks, yet I still get the same stuff over and over again - now tell me what's up with those folks, are they so narrow-minded or they just can't read? Then we have the best one, "tis gay" - really, well that was so extremely creative criticism, thanks a bunch...

Like I said, case closed.

[Joe]

:gay: :gay: gay dude gay its gas motored and its not or will it ever be a warlock or little red express :gay: :gay:
Great comment - grow up :read:

[Joe]

it is gay, its a gas truck, period.



How old are you guys?

[spdfrek]

Aaaha, so it really ain't much different than me getting unto the secondaries and blowing my unburnt gas down (well, now up) the pipes.


set up an ignighter and throw some flames out them then :fire:

[Ivan D.]

set up an ignighter and throw some flames out them then :fire:
lmao, man, don't gimme any more crazey ideas that I already got - the three cops that were helping mu two buddies get the damn truck from the snow I stuck her in (in my friend's neighbor's backyard, of all places, lol) were very happy with the stacks (no smoke going in their faces), however I think a light show like you suggest would have been looked upon a bit differently ;)

[JaxRhapsody]

How old are you guys?
I dont think its nessecerally they're age. Question should be how old are they mentally

[83K1500]

Honestly I am not a huge fan of stacks except on rigs. So rarely are they ever done with appearance in mind so to me they just look half-assed all the time.
Now that being said, after I start working on my truck and get that cummins in and running, I plan on buying a Deuce and a half. For those that do not know what it is... that 6 WD dual rear wheel with 3 2 ton rockwells as axles.

It will be heavily modified, stretched 5 feet overall, turned into a cab forward RV survivalist type 10 ton monster. It will have a single 5" stack. But then again, look at the base vehicle...

[Ivan D.]

Now that being said, after I start working on my truck and get that cummins in and running, I plan on buying a Deuce and a half. For those that do not know what it is... that 6 WD dual rear wheel with 3 2 ton rockwells as axles.

It will be heavily modified, stretched 5 feet overall, turned into a cab forward RV survivalist type 10 ton monster. It will have a single 5" stack. But then again, look at the base vehicle...
Interesting project, I've seen that type of vehicle before, pretty cool beasts, but I got a question - how you gonna support 10 tons of body and chassis and stuff with only three 2-ton axles?

[tonxcab]

I still want a video with sound

[Ivan D.]

request granted, clicky below:
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/598110/fst/598110.jpg (http://www.supermotors.net/vehicles/registry/media/598110)
nothing special, pretty quiet actually, but don't forget about the SupperTurbo mufflers under the cab :wink:

[tonxcab]

Thanks doesn't sound half bad I've wanted stacks on something

[FordeatinZ71]

sounds d@mn good Ivan!

[Ivan D.]

Thanks guys, I didn't really do it for the sound, but I'm pretty happy with how the exhaust tone turned out (especially inside the cab).

[JaxRhapsody]

I love the Duece½! Thats my idea of a hybrid. I would love to get one if I could afforad the gas it would make a boss RV Ive designed some. I think I'll take a Halftrack first.

[83K1500]

Interesting project, I've seen that type of vehicle before, pretty cool beasts, but I got a question - how you gonna support 10 tons of body and chassis and stuff with only three 2-ton axles?
well considering those are the axles it is equipped with originally, and they seem to do just fine under multi ton military loads, plus towing... I am not at all concerned about them.

Though it will be interesting when I go to do a brake swap and have to buy 9 rotors for the swap over...
One on each axle end, and one on each pinion. Yeah it will be able to stop.

But just think of it like this as far as what I have in mind...
Deuce and a half stretched 1 foot in the front, 3 (maybe 4) feet center, 1 foot rear.
The overall exterior design of an aircraft crash truck is about what I have in mind.
Two 50 gallon (bio)diesel tanks, 50 gallon fresh water, 30 gallon waste.
4000 watt onboard diesel generator.
3/16" plate steel skin.
1/4" reinforced thick outer walls. Yes I want it to be able to repel anything under a high power round. And limited penetration of those.
Basically 3/4 inch thick BP windows.
6 IR cameras 360* coverage onboard, including a feed to an operators goggle set that incorporates the IR feed.
Full communications array, short wave, multi freq. cb.
Full 360* exterior coverage flood lighting.
multiple computers, for various tasks.
I would also like to have a sanitized air feed, otherwise be totally sealed when 'locked down'.
There will of course be other 'defense' arrays that I will not go into here. But suffice it to say, I will have 2 cnc machines, and a lathe at my disposal to make what ever I desire.

Yeah this country is headed to hell and I am preparing for it.

But that in my mind is THE RV to own...

[FordeatinZ71]

I love the Duece½! Thats my idea of a hybrid. I would love to get one if I could afforad the gas it would make a boss RV Ive designed some. I think I'll take a Halftrack first.


i don't mean to sound stupid here...but how did you get the small 1/2 by Duece?

[GreaseDog]

well considering those are the axles it is equipped with originally, and they seem to do just fine under multi ton military loads, plus towing... I am not at all concerned about them.

Though it will be interesting when I go to do a brake swap and have to buy 9 rotors for the swap over...
One on each axle end, and one on each pinion. Yeah it will be able to stop.

But just think of it like this as far as what I have in mind...
Deuce and a half stretched 1 foot in the front, 3 (maybe 4) feet center, 1 foot rear.
The overall exterior design of an aircraft crash truck is about what I have in mind.
Two 50 gallon (bio)diesel tanks, 50 gallon fresh water, 30 gallon waste.
4000 watt onboard diesel generator.
3/16" plate steel skin.
1/4" reinforced thick outer walls. Yes I want it to be able to repel anything under a high power round. And limited penetration of those.
Basically 3/4 inch thick BP windows.
6 IR cameras 360* coverage onboard, including a feed to an operators goggle set that incorporates the IR feed.
Full communications array, short wave, multi freq. cb.
Full 360* exterior coverage flood lighting.
multiple computers, for various tasks.
I would also like to have a sanitized air feed, otherwise be totally sealed when 'locked down'.
There will of course be other 'defense' arrays that I will not go into here. But suffice it to say, I will have 2 cnc machines, and a lathe at my disposal to make what ever I desire.

Yeah this country is headed to hell and I am preparing for it.

But that in my mind is THE RV to own...how comfortable is your tin foil hat?

[JaxRhapsody]

How big is your paycheck?

[JaxRhapsody]

This is how I wanted to do my truck aslong as the gas tsnk doesnt show implications. and If I keep it.
http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l277/J_Rhapsody/77wb3.jpg

[83K1500]

how comfortable is your tin foil hat?
If you do not see just how ****ed up this country is, and not getting any better. I should ask you if you would be interested in buying the Golden Gate bridge, cause your pretty gullible.
And yes I fully realize that it is a bit extreme... but I always prefer to overbuild than under build.

I am what people call a realist, I see the crap on the ground and try to avoid stepping in it. I do not concentrate on the light show that so many people try to get you to watch.

[83K1500]

How big is your paycheck?
As a matter of fact, in a matter of weeks I will be making a little over 1500 a week.

[JaxRhapsody]

I wasnt teasin you. Hopefully I get this second job I will be able to mod the truck if I keep it. i love duece/½'s I think it'd be a great trail rig. I'd make a crew cab. Dont they have I-6's? If anything Im gonna find a Halftrack M1A1 roller or M1A3 wench model.

[GreaseDog]

If you do not see just how ****ed up this country is, and not getting any better. I should ask you if you would be interested in buying the Golden Gate bridge, cause your pretty gullible.
And yes I fully realize that it is a bit extreme... but I always prefer to overbuild than under build.

I am what people call a realist, I see the crap on the ground and try to avoid stepping in it. I do not concentrate on the light show that so many people try to get you to watch.

a bit extreme? you're off the charts my friend. you're talking about building you own military survival rig, for something that may not even take place. you must be single if thats all the better you can find to spend a 78K a year salary on.

[83K1500]

I wasnt teasin you. Hopefully I get this second job I will be able to mod the truck if I keep it. i love duece/½'s I think it'd be a great trail rig. I'd make a crew cab. Dont they have I-6's? If anything Im gonna find a Halftrack M1A1 roller or M1A3 wench model.
no offense or anything taken at all.
I love horror flicks, and I look at them for inspiration and originality. I think get some ideas of my own and see just what platform I can adapt them to.
I am not looking at it like a crazy extremist dissident citizen, I am looking at it as a cool ass modified, functional and drivable rig of a ride.

Yes they are I-6's and the Kaiser's with the Herc motors will actually run on anything that burns. From diesel, alcohol, kerosene, gas to jet fuel.

I originally thought about a full/half-track but the street ability goes to hell, along with the heavy maintenance of the track drives and the cost of rubber pads for said tracks to keep them street legal. It just became very clear that to mod the deuce would be much easier. Especially when you can get them for really cheap.

[GreaseDog]

I am not looking at it like a crazy extremist dissident citizen, I am looking at it as a cool ass modified, functional and drivable rig of a ride.

your initial post made it sound as if you were counting on actually needing it. if its just for a project, with some story that sounds a little off the wall to go along with it, go for it.

i've got plans drawn up for a street rod using readily available junkyard parts, and using an Amish buggy for a body. complete with a horse's head air cleaner. oh, and the 8' casket with a small block in it. i've already found my source for the casket. :haha:

[83K1500]

your initial post made it sound as if you were counting on actually needing it. if its just for a project, with some story that sounds a little off the wall to go along with it, go for it.

Will it be used? sure as hell will.
But mostly it will be a way to push myself to incorporate different things and figuring a way to make them work.

If I ever go down to Baja Mexico, I actually might need it. The gangs and crime down there are getting really really bad. Armed war parties impersonating police, stealing vehicles, raping women...

Though I will laugh my ass off at the people that would try to carjack that thing...

[FordeatinZ71]

haha, this thread is an awesome read...i'd love to see these ideas come to life...i think they'd be badass!

[JaxRhapsody]

Plus a duece is faster I always said they where the best hybrid. I got so many car ideas I have like almost 30 notebooks I've drawn in. I swear when I die they are gonna be a muesem piece. My current idea is a rat rod muscle car. Any pony car with a Model T or HiBoy front clip and monster v8 of choice. I know where there is a piece of a pony car too.

[GreaseDog]

a deuce is faster? a toyota tercel is faster than a deuce.

[FordeatinZ71]

...and my grandma walking at a medium pace is faster than a Tercel...:dunno:

[83K1500]

a deuce is faster? a toyota tercel is faster than a deuce.
But the deuce can straight out run over 80% of the cars and some trucks on the road.

[JaxRhapsody]

a deuce is faster? a toyota tercel is faster than a deuce.
I ment faster than a halftrack. It cant be that slow Im pretty sure it can reach unlayden dumptruck speeds.

[83K1500]

I really need this new job like now...

I just found my Kaiser! only 2K. It runs, and in great shape. Ex brush truck for local fire dept.

[Redbird]

But the deuce can straight out run over 80% of the cars and some trucks on the road.
With a top speed of approx. 55mph? That may be faster than 80% of the vehicles around you, but around here cars go faster than that.
And the M35 series of trucks use drums at the wheels for the service brake. The rotors at the pinions are for the parking brake.

[83K1500]

With a top speed of approx. 55mph? That may be faster than 80% of the vehicles around you, but around here cars go faster than that.
And the M35 series of trucks use drums at the wheels for the service brake. The rotors at the pinions are for the parking brake.
You do not get what I mean by run over...
I mean literally drive over top of them.

And the brake's I was talking about is a full disk conversion.

[FordeatinZ71]

You do not get what I mean by run over...
I mean literally drive over top of them.


that rap song (i don't like a lot of rap, that's my disclaimer) "Move, B!tch" by Ludacris comes to mind right now...:aniteef:

Move, B!tch! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0O7RmIsvEQ)

oh yea, this is also one of the many songs i dedicate to my ex-wife...

[Redbird]

You do not get what I mean by run over...
I mean literally drive over top of them.

And the brake's I was talking about is a full disk conversion.
Your right. When I read "...the deuce can straight out run over 80% of the cars..." I was thinking "...can straight, out run, over 80%...", not "can straight out, run over, 80%...".
With out punctuation it's hard to distiguish.

And you're planning a disc brake conversion on an M35 (a vehicle that weighs in at roughly 7 tons)? And loading it, up to, or beyond the 2½ ton cargo capacity?

Good luck getting it to stop.

[JaxRhapsody]

The older ones may be able to drive over cars(sounds better?) but I seen some new ones and the have independant suspension all around or atleast on the front suspension.

[FordeatinZ71]

Your right. When I read "...the deuce can straight out run over 80% of the cars..." I was thinking "...can straight, out run, over 80%...", not "can straight out, run over, 80%...".
With out punctuation it's hard to distiguish.

And you're planning a disc brake conversion on an M35 (a vehicle that weighs in at roughly 7 tons)? And loading it, up to, or beyond the 2½ ton cargo capacity?

Good luck getting it to stop.

ehh, brakes are a crutch. can you imagine the looks on the ricer's faces when you push the brake pedal and all of 'em instantly vaporize :eek: ...such a cool party trick!

[pOrk]

Your seriously using flexpipes under the bed? I would junk that system asap.

[FordeatinZ71]

Your seriously using flexpipes under the bed? I would junk that system asap.


do me a favor. next time you are near a tractor truck (18-wheeler), look under the cab...at the exhaust. tell me what you see...flex pipe in small sections is perfectly acceptable...

now you don't wanna BUILD your exhaust from it...but in small sections clamped/supported properly it is perfectly acceptable...

[Redbird]

do me a favor. next time you are near a tractor truck (18-wheeler), look under the cab...at the exhaust. tell me what you see...flex pipe in small sections is perfectly acceptable...
I can vouch. In fact I can get you a pic of mine if you like.
This is my work ride...
http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL680/2875407/5864771/286482503.jpg

[h20son]

back to the original topic:

gay :gay2:

[GreaseDog]

do me a favor. next time you are near a tractor truck (18-wheeler), look under the cab...at the exhaust. tell me what you see...flex pipe in small sections is perfectly acceptable...

now you don't wanna BUILD your exhaust from it...but in small sections clamped/supported properly it is perfectly acceptable...
we have already discussed this. they type of flex pipe used in big truck applications is far superior to the stuff in question.

[FordeatinZ71]

ok, you're right there. the crap you get at your local Vato Zone is a lot crappier than the stuff you get at a diesel shop...of course, in SOME diesel shops you CAN get smaller sizes (like 3" but that's the smallest i think i've ever seen the good crap in)

but yea, back to original topic...i was simply sayin don't write off flex pipe as always being bad...because it's not when used "right"

[Ivan D.]

back to the original topic:

gay :gay2:

Ooo, a local idiot? Thanks for your invaluable contribution to this thread. Now please move on, just like I did with the truck in question - last Monday it got replaced by a 4x4 from the dark side, 480lb-ft at 2800rpm stock (and this one ain't) was something real hard to pass on. Oh yah, the new truck is getting stacks too :aniteef:

[GreaseDog]

good, we dont care. go to www.fullsizeford.com from now on.

[pOrk]

but yea, back to original topic...i was simply sayin don't write off flex pipe as always being bad...because it's not when used "right"

I guess you are entitled to think whatever you want, but a before and after dyno would prove that exhaust is robbing you HP.

There is no way to use flexible exhaust piping the 'right' way on your truck.

[Ivan D.]

Pork, you're probably right about flex pipe robbing power, I never had the chance to put my truck on the school dyno to get some solid numbers, but when I was making the exhaust my primary concern was frame flex - didn't want to bend or break anything if I decide to take it out in the woods. GreaseDog confirmed that frame flex is actually not a major concern in those setups, and if I knew that beforehand I'd have gone with solid piping all the way... but you live and you learn.

[pOrk]

Pork, you're probably right about flex pipe robbing power, I never had the chance to put my truck on the school dyno to get some solid numbers, but when I was making the exhaust my primary concern was frame flex - didn't want to bend or break anything if I decide to take it out in the woods. GreaseDog confirmed that frame flex is actually not a major concern in those setups, and if I knew that beforehand I'd have gone with solid piping all the way... but you live and you learn.

:ehcapt:

[JaxRhapsody]

And even so its his, he should do with it as he pleases. if I was keepin mine I'd put stacks on mine too. I think it looks good and aslong as no one else has to drive it they shouldnt think of it as one of there major concerns. These trucks with there weak engines dont have much flex 176hp V8 FTL.

[FordeatinZ71]

I guess you are entitled to think whatever you want, but a before and after dyno would prove that exhaust is robbing you HP.

There is no way to use flexible exhaust piping the 'right' way on your truck.


providing that pipe doesn't leak, there is no way it can "rob" you of any HP...its a straight (or slightly curved) piece of the same diameter pipe...it doesn't matter anyhow, i don't have it on my truck and it won't ever be. i was just saying that in CERTAIN applications it can come in handy.

oh and Jax, yea, these engines were around "176" hp new...but what makes you think his engine is stock? :rocking:

[Ivan D.]

And even so its his, he should do with it as he pleases. if I was keepin mine I'd put stacks on mine too. I think it looks good and aslong as no one else has to drive it they shouldnt think of it as one of there major concerns. These trucks with there weak engines dont have much flex 176hp V8 FTL.
Jax, I'm actually gonna put stacks on the 4x4 now too, tis just this time I gotta cut through steel bed, and also deal with moving the mufflers - too darn cold for that kinda stuff now, besides I gotta find my vacuum leak first, then mess with everything else. And like FordeatinZ71 said my engine was far from stock, right about twice farther actually, too bad truck was just a 2wd and with rusty cab mounts and need of total front end rebuild :(

[FordeatinZ71]

i'm tellin ya dude, do it like the diesel guys...make it easy on yourself. one pipe through the bed, T-off in the bed...put the stacks on the corner of the bed and use some nice mitre cut stacks...man that would look good...

[GreaseDog]

providing that pipe doesn't leak, there is no way it can "rob" you of any HP...its a straight (or slightly curved) piece of the same diameter pipe...it doesn't matter anyhow, i don't have it on my truck and it won't ever be. i was just saying that in CERTAIN applications it can come in handy.



flex pipe is ribbed, so that will impede flow.

think of the exhaust gasses as you driving down the highway at 65. nice and smooth right? now put a speed bump every 15' or so... kinda slows you down and interrupts your "flow" down the highway, doesnt it?

[FordeatinZ71]

flex pipe is ribbed, so that will impede flow.

think of the exhaust gasses as you driving down the highway at 65. nice and smooth right? now put a speed bump every 15' or so... kinda slows you down and interrupts your "flow" down the highway, doesnt it?


yea, i thought about that after i typed it and really started thinking about it...almost came back and edited my post, but got busy surfing other sites and forgot. well, so we've came to the conclusion that, while not ideal, it will "git 'r dun" if needbe...:dunno:

[Ivan D.]

GreaseDog's right, the flex pipe will create some turbulence, but if you looked at one from the inside tis pretty damn smooth (the metal strip is like tripple folded or something), and on pipes oversized for the engine like mine were a little turbulence wouldn't make that much of a difference in exhaust flow.

On yer suggestion, FordeatinZ71, both pipes actually run on the passenger side of this truck cause transfer case is on the driver side, but they're also offset and not parallel to each other, so merging those tow would be pretty interesting... Will see, not urgent now anyways.

[GreaseDog]

why couldnt you run it around both sides of the transfer case?

[Ivan D.]

Cause it wasn't me who built the exhaust, I'd have used the Headmann S-pipes like I did with the Chevy. The current setup is brandy new tho, so I'm not gonna go crazy on replacing it just yet.

[FordeatinZ71]

sounds like a plan, Stan...err, iVAN

[Ivan D.]

well all plans are on hold for now - just had my front driveshaft done today and as I was shutting it off behind the shop the engine backfired and that apparently killed something in the carb - on my way home I was running on just the front 4 cylinders of the engine, the rear 4 got the plugs so fouled they wouldn't fire at all. Can a 454 do that too? I mean my 350 had real hard time staying running with just two cylinders down, wheres this sucker had no problems even idling in gear at the lights, then was easily picking up speed down the freeway too - my 350 couldn't keep up, but this one is a 429, aso I'd imagine a 454 can do even better in an emergency situation like this?

[FordeatinZ71]

well, i'd imagine the plugs were firing SOMEWHAT. there's no way this thing wouldn't miss 4 cyls. it would either not run or run HORRIBLY. if you wanna test it, go and remove 4 of your plug wires...then start it. you'll see that (while i'm sure they were fouled out) that they were firing. you most likely blew the power valve out of your carb (it is a Holley, isn't it?). backfiring through the carb does that quite easily on those. if it is a PV, they aren't that expensive and are generally easy to change...if it is a Holley, tell me what model and i can help you more from there...or someone else can...

but to answer your question, any motor is gonna have trouble running when you disturb it's firing order by removing a cyl. unless you have some way to CHANGE it's firing order where it doesn't even try those cylinders and just adapts to using the remaining ones (Cadillac tried and failed back years ago...now a lot of manufacturers have mastered it through modern technology)

edit, here's something i found...if you don't have a Holley i'm sorry i wasted your time reading all this...
There is a lot of misunderstanding concerning power valves in Holley carbs. Many 4-barrels come with a particular power valve depending on the carb list# and application. Some carbs have two power valves, while others only have one. The power valves are numbered by the amount of engine vacuum in inches at which they will open and add additional fuel to the power circuit. In other words a 6.5 power valve will open when the vacuum signal on the engine drops below 6.5" and will remain closed above that amount. One of the misconceptions is that they can't be trusted to work because an engine backfire or "belch" can "blow out" the power valve. Many Holley performance carbs models and list#'s now come with built in power valve "blow out" protection which eliminates this problem. If you have an older model carb you can purchase a small, inexpensive, easy to install kit from Holley (PN - 125-500) that will also protect the power valves in case of an engine blowback thru the carb. CENTEK in Redmond, Oregon, (see their website at www.powervalveshield.com ) also sells an inexpensive Holley power valve blow out protector, "Power Valve Shield", which takes about two minutes to install and does not require any drilling.

[55chevyman]

This is how I wanted to do my truck aslong as the gas tsnk doesnt show implications. and If I keep it.
http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l277/J_Rhapsody/77wb3.jpg


Is this your truck? Rawdawg? Man you need to keep it and take care of it.. not sure about the pipes on the outside..may get burnt trying to get in and out if you aint watching....i think stacks look cool...on a diesel rig...but id never put any on my truck...like the idea though ivan.......

[GreaseDog]

he needs to invest in a bicycle, and let the truck go to someone who will appreciate it

[55chevyman]

he needs to invest in a bicycle, and let the truck go to someone who will appreciate it


:10: :10: :10: I agree

so you say rawdawg is on its last leg and you cant afford to fix it...sell it..hell id buy it...how much.....

[GreaseDog]

you're in Cali, what do you want with a rust belt truck? other than smog exemption... :read:

[55chevyman]

I feel bad for the truck....besides i want a another 4x4 ....

[Ivan D.]

well, i'd imagine the plugs were firing SOMEWHAT. there's no way this thing wouldn't miss 4 cyls. it would either not run or run HORRIBLY. if you wanna test it, go and remove 4 of your plug wires...then start it. you'll see that (while i'm sure they were fouled out) that they were firing. you most likely blew the power valve out of your carb (it is a Holley, isn't it?). backfiring through the carb does that quite easily on those. if it is a PV, they aren't that expensive and are generally easy to change...if it is a Holley, tell me what model and i can help you more from there...or someone else can...

but to answer your question, any motor is gonna have trouble running when you disturb it's firing order by removing a cyl. unless you have some way to CHANGE it's firing order where it doesn't even try those cylinders and just adapts to using the remaining ones (Cadillac tried and failed back years ago...now a lot of manufacturers have mastered it through modern technology)

edit, here's something i found...if you don't have a Holley i'm sorry i wasted your time reading all this...
It was actually a Motorcraft 4V carb that apparently sprung a gas leak that was strong enough to gravity feed the rear 4 cylinders, yet not all that bad to flood the entire engine. I'd imagine it was the Ford version of the infamous Q-jet plugs leak... If the rear four cylinders were firing, then it was so miserably weak I never felt them, as when I got home I started pulling wires off the plug and eventually ended up with the 4 rear wires disconnected - engine did not care one bit, kept on running just like it ran the entire trip - that is shaking like a diesel trying to start in cold weather, burning gas in the exhaust, but still running. I just put on a brandy new 500cfm Eddy carb on it tho, so all is good now - funny thing even tho it's supposedly tuned for small engines, the jetting was dead-on right for my big block too, idle circuit needed 3 turns out vs, the regular 2 turns, but that was it - damn near perfect match for this engine, go figure.

As for Holleys - it's actually pretty hard to kill a power valve, the double pumper in the Chevy has seen some serious backfires (I'm talking nice tall flames through the carb), yet never blew a power valve, and it gots two of them too, without the protection ball and spring in the vacuum circuits for either of them. I do know how to work on a Holley tho, remember the Chevy was getting like 20mpg off the spreadbore double-pumper while still being able to spin the 33s through every gear shift - think I had the poor carb open more times than my fridge door, lol :D Glad the Eddy worked out nice tho, tis just way too damn cold out there to be working on trucks.

[Ivan D.]

Is this your truck? Rawdawg? Man you need to keep it and take care of it.. not sure about the pipes on the outside..may get burnt trying to get in and out if you aint watching....i think stacks look cool...on a diesel rig...but id never put any on my truck...like the idea though ivan.......
Yeah, I agree with you on that side-mounted stacks with shields and all associated bling look right only on big rigs. The stacks on my Chevy are apparently coming off tho, the new owner is gonna use the piping to run them straight back under the bumper. I'm actually gonna see my truck again next week, I forgot my air compressor and wheel chokes in it, plus I want my custom-airbrush front plate back too :D

[FordeatinZ71]

Ivan, don't keep us in suspense...post pics of that truck...i wanna see it...i tried getting a "spy shot" through your SuperMotors account and got nothing...hook a brotha up...:LOL:

[Ivan D.]

oh jeez, tis just an old Ford, nothing special:

http://www.supermotors.net/vehicles/registry/18147/61964

[FordeatinZ71]

not bad man. i like the 73-79 Fords. some of the best they ever made...i mean, that's not saying much, but still...lol

[Ivan D.]

It needs a bed tho, well the inside of the bed is in great shape, but the outside could use some sheetmetal welded on... other than that tis a good truck, runs real nice, drives strait, nice and quiet too, well unless I kick in the fast idle, lol

[55chevyman]

nice rig Ivan..I actually was a ford guy till i sold them...Wierd i ended up with all chevy's, execpt my 69 mustang . But have to say I think i like them alot better, But i do like that body style of ford you got...

[FordeatinZ71]

It needs a bed tho, well the inside of the bed is in great shape, but the outside could use some sheetmetal welded on... other than that tis a good truck, runs real nice, drives strait, nice and quiet too, well unless I kick in the fast idle, lol


lol...heard that. i had to reach down and flip the "get there faster" switch in the '83 the other day...that lil 305 will go if you catch it just in the right spot...

[55chevyman]

See still nothing special about my custom deluxe, I dont have the get fast switch...dont really need it though..my truck moves pretty good

[FordeatinZ71]

haha, i thought about putting in an "OnStar" button on my truck (making it look factory too) and hooking it to a speaker that said "You're F*cked" or "F*ck You" when you press it...after i get my truck redone...

[55chevyman]

ok so it was a joke...sometimes not sure with you guys, lol.

[FordeatinZ71]

lmao, yea man, it was a joke. if GM DID offer a "go faster" switch it darn sure wouldn't be in a 305-powered K1500...lol...

[JaxRhapsody]

Is this your truck? Rawdawg? Man you need to keep it and take care of it.. not sure about the pipes on the outside..may get burnt trying to get in and out if you aint watching....i think stacks look cool...on a diesel rig...but id never put any on my truck...like the idea though ivan.......
No thats not mine it belongs to Google. Next time I buy another dispossable(sp?) camera I'll have pics of it on cardomain. The guy that uasually helps me bring it to life, He said he may know a couple that could probably bring Rawdawg back to life.

[55chevyman]

No thats not mine it belongs to Google. Next time I buy another dispossable(sp?) camera I'll have pics of it on cardomain. The guy that uasually helps me bring it to life, He said he may know a couple that could probably bring Rawdawg back to life.


What can you say to this....:whatever:

[JaxRhapsody]

Hmmmm, what can I say to that...

[55chevyman]

Dude, you :idiot: really need to post something worth a dam...because all you are now is a :whore: :idiot:

[FordeatinZ71]

ok, both of you...GO TO YOUR ROOMS!

[55chevyman]

yes pa...sorry the kid is driving me crazy with his stupidity...

[FordeatinZ71]

lollerskates!

sorry, it just fit here...

[55chevyman]

hey its cool...

well trying to get back on track here.....

[FordeatinZ71]

i don't know if i want to go with the WHOLE mirror with the OnStar button or just a individual button...i think if i could find a mirror out of a newer truck with OnStar and the temp/navigation and auto-dim i'd like that...then rig up the OnStar to my gag...i can just see the look on people's faces when i tell them to push it...

[Ivan D.]

nice rig Ivan..I actually was a ford guy till i sold them...Wierd i ended up with all chevy's, execpt my 69 mustang . But have to say I think i like them alot better, But i do like that body style of ford you got...
I love that body style, that and the one that followed, but that's my top choice when it comes to 4x4 Ford trucks. Funny thing is now me an my ex have matching trucks, only hers is an year older and 31ci bigger and a tiny bit taller on 'em 44 Ground Hawgs. Once I hit the jackpot tho, I'll catch up with her, think '58-'59 Chevy cab on modern diesel dually frame :D

[GreaseDog]

those beds work really good on derby trucks with the i pc stamped inner liner.

we had a new guy start at work today. i'll have to get pics of his shortbed gas dodge with stacks on it to really bring the thread back on track. :lol:

[JaxRhapsody]

The Lil Red Express or the black one?