c-clip eliminator kits.

[Chevy1500z71]

how exactly does a c clip eliminator work with a stock axleshaft? i have a broken carrier and my powertrax locker inside the carier is also broken so i want to put a full spool in but i need c clip eliminators to do that. but i cant figure out if that will work for me. im thinking you need special axleshafts for it but idk. i was thinking maybe ill just replace my carier and put a mini spool in but i know that wont be as strong as a full spool and i want it to last. so someone please explain to me how a c-clip eliminator works, i know what it does but dont know how it does it. i was going to order the stuff tonight but i dont want to order a new open carier and stuff a mini spool in it whene im not sure if i can get a full spool because id much rather get a full spool.

[Blue71]

Have you ever drove with spool on the street ? not fun, hard on parts/tires.
spools a made for one thing going straight.

The C-clip eliminators bearings press on the axles just like on a ford axle.

[Chevy1500z71]

ok thanks. i dont realy have a choice, its either spool or plain open, i cant aford a locker.

[Chevy1500z71]

theres a eaton(prety sure thats just the stock locker) out of an 05 silverado that is an 8.5" ring geer 30 spline so it will fit mine. but what do you think about that, i here that the stock lockers are bombs with big tires, big power, and agressive shift kits... which is what i have.

[Blue71]

Sorry but Iam no help on the lockers.

[Chevy1500z71]

its looking like a full spool is my best bet.

[Mordist]

its looking like a full spool is my best bet.

That's going to be one scary ride in rainy weather.

I would go with the open carrier until you can afford the locker at a later date.

[Koots]

Honestly, if your carrier gave up like that on you, a spool is gonna have it happen again. It can cause some crazy torsional twisting of the axles and cause the axleshafts themselves to break. This is only amplified by the fact that you have a supercharger.

If you DD this truck or drive it primarily on the streets, having a spool will ruin the experience. you will get a crazy shimmying around simple turns and the wheels will hop. It will launch like an animal but thats the only benefit.

[Chevy1500z71]

well my last locker was already a nightmare in the rain, so im not woried about that. but i do offroad quite a bit and when i do i cant get stuck. all my freinds drive 2wd, im the guy that pulls people out, i cant be the guy geting stuck. i called the previouse owner up the other night he prety much told me right out that he had used the truck in a few tracktor pulls with that setup and that its been in there for a very long time. he said it was a miricle it lasted as long as it did and that he had a 14bolt full floater siting in the garage with new spring perches and everything ready to put in the truck but never got around to it, same with a sfa swap. its a shame he didnt put that dam 14bolt in before i bought the truck lol. i realy cant live with a open diff and i dont mind any wheel hop and what ot that happens wiht a spool because iv experienced it all with the locker but just not nearly as bad as a spool will be. however if its going to cause me to break axlechaft then i beter start saving up for a real locker. but a real locker isnt worth puting in a 10 bolt, but i cant afford a 14. and i dont want to just slap together some peice of crap open diff in my truck becuase the truck is kinda to good for an open diff. you can see why im having touble deciding what to do.

[GreaseDog]

you cant live with an open diff? it'd be much easier to live with, and cheaper, than a spool. you really have no idea what youre in for.

your truck is too good for an open diff?:whatever:

with a spool you will strengthen the carrier, so the weak point will be transferred somewhere else in the axle. most likely the axleshafts. and with a semi floating axle, when it comes out you're in for one hell of a ride.

[98GreenMachine]

you cant live with an open diff? it'd be much easier to live with, and cheaper, than a spool. you really have no idea what youre in for.

your truck is too good for an open diff?:whatever:

with a spool you will strengthen the carrier, so the weak point will be transferred somewhere else in the axle. most likely the axleshafts. and with a semi floating axle, when it comes out you're in for one hell of a ride.

:iamwithst :thumbup:

With a truck that spends any amount of time on dry pavement, I would avoid a spool like the plague. It wouldn't take long before your trucks back in the shop with a blown rear end again.

[JB]

I dont think they make c-clip eliminators for 10 bolt 8.5's

[91chevZ71]

didn't the willy's jeep have an open differential? seemed to work for WWII
I know they had 4x4, but without 4x4 it was open I think


dude, just run open until you can fix it with the right parts, like replacing the 10 bolt with a 14 bolt SF possibly

[Chevy1500z71]

[QUOTE=GreaseDog]

your truck is too good for an open diff?:whatever:

QUOTE]

... yea, i have a built trans, a blower, big tires. why in the world would i want all those badass parts being transfered to an open diff. whene i offroad the truck it needs to work good. im not extremely concerned with ride quality. but dont get me wrong i am concerned with snaping axles. if i dont get a spool than its not becuase of the ride its because of the reliability... im gona see if i can get a carrier for reel cheep outa a junkyard axle or something so that i can offord another locker maybe. i may have to just kiss dyno tuning goodbye.

[NEUMANNZZ]

have you thought about just welding the axles to the spool.

[Chevy1500z71]

i dont have a welder and that would be a bad idea if i snaped an axle... it looks like im gona order a detroit locker because it will alow me to just buy it and be done since it is a full carier. i know it cost 600 and iv been going on about how i cant afford it, but it looks like im gona have to just drain the bank acount and be done with it, ill just work a ton of hours and weekends if i can get a new job here shortly.

[91chevZ71]

If it were me I would take it easy for a while and get the engine running 100% with some dyno time and some little parts like a FP gauge. fix the fuel supply problem then work your way back to the diff

[Chevy1500z71]

im ordering the fuel pressure guage and the locker, so everything will be taken care of. so oncei get the rear end done and the fuel pressure sut up ll be all set to milk that tune for all its worth till i can aford to get it tuned. like i said i just gota work more hours and work weekends, sucks.

[91chevZ71]

ahhh, the grind.
your truck has the chip from Whipple installed, right?

[rat tuned]

also remember that a lot of c-clip eliminator kits are notorious for leaking. most are not designed for daily driving or side loads. the bearings will wear out. strange makes a eliminator kit with roller bearings designed for the street and side loads but you need special axles too. maybe truck rears are different. best of luck mike

[demonstalker]

I'd just weld it up and start saving for a 14 bolt.

[Chevy1500z71]

ahhh, the grind.
your truck has the chip from Whipple installed, right?

yea it has the whipple chip but whiple wanted me to use an egr lol. its ok tho, as long as my truck is broken i finaly have an excuse to drive my moms car around... 06 trailblazer ss. i talked her outa the cadilac for it lol it needs an exhaust and a chip, aready got the intake.

[Chevy1500z71]

I'd just weld it up and start saving for a 14 bolt.

there aint nothin to weld, the carier is cracked, i cant weld that. i could weld the powertrax up but then my axles would be stuck in there and id still need a carrier. my dad want me to get my truck runin right asap so my best bet is to just rip myself off and dumpo more cash into the stupid 10 bolt. someday ill get a 14 bolt... now im even further from a 383.

[GreaseDog]

i guess i dont understand your truck being "too good" for an open carrier as a bandaid fix, and keep looking for a 14 bolt. it just doesnt make good financial sense to dump a locker in a rear axle that you want to replace anyways. i guess i'm not 17 and have the ability to think logically though.

[Chevy1500z71]

i cant afford to have a 14 bolt right now and im not bandaiding the truck my best bet is to polish the turd again and have another nice 10 bolt.

[Chevy1500z71]

what you dont understand is that if i badndaid it like that its gona stay that way for a LONG time. ill get my moneys worth outa a locker in the 10bolt again and then when that breaks ill be ready to buy a 14bolt. right now the 14 bolt is just outa the question

[FordeatinZ71]

yea, i had a mini spool in my '78 Bronco...i'm confident the only reason that rear end lasted is because A) it was a 9" which is MUCH stronger than a 10-bolt and B) i drove it easy with 33" A/T tires...it also spent a lot more time offroad than on...i had a daily driver...

a spool is bad news for you bud...take it from someone who's been down that road...sideways :LOL:

edit...wasn't it determined that your locker was still good? WTF happened? what'd i miss...i'm freakin subscribed to that thread!

[Chevy1500z71]

well after i looked at it i noticed the carrier was busted so i thought the reason the locker wasn't grabbing on the broken side was due to the fact that the Carrier created a gap and spread apart at the crack. but after a took everything all apart it turns out that most for the teeth are broken off on the driver side of the locker. I'm about to call summit up and order a Detroit locker and a fuel pressure Gage in just a moment. sucks that i got to dump money into the ten bolt again but i want it to perform well since its not going to be touched again for a long time and by the time i breaks again ill have my moneys worth outa the locker and get started on a 383 and 14 bolt... my plan is to save up and eventually i plan on spending about 5,000 on a 383 and 14 bolt. but thats a long time from now right now ill be struggling to pay for gas and barely be able to save for tuning, but it should all work out pretty good. hopefully

Edit: Finlay figured out how to download the spell checker. now all you a$$holes like 91bowtie cant bash me for my spelling

[GreaseDog]

a 14sf with a gov lock would be better that a locker in a 10 bolt, 3.42 gears arent hard to find in a sf at all, plus the sf will probably be cheaper than the 10 bolt locker. but you're young, and you think your truck is "too good" for stock parts, so what does the guy with years of experience on you know? :whatever:

[91chevZ71]

I know you don't want to hear it, and have already heard it, but don't dump any more money into the 10 bolt. Save it for a 14, man. I would feel like an idiot if I bought a new traction aid for the 10 bolt and then broke an axle shaft or something like that. 14 bolt, buddy

-especially on your truck, you are S/C'd. need that 14SF

[Chevy1500z71]

a 14sf with a gov lock would be better that a locker in a 10 bolt, 3.42 gears aren't hard to find in a sf at all, plus the sf will probably be cheaper than the 10 bolt locker. but you're young, and you think your truck is "too good" for stock parts, so what does the guy with years of experience on you know? :whatever:

i dont see how you cant understand that i dont want to switch to a 3.42 geared stock gov lock 14sf for 1000$ and not even be able to use 4x4 because i already have 4.56s. the 14bolt is not gona happen and for those who say save up for a 14, what do you expect me to do leave the truck on jack stands till i can afford a 14 bolt? i have to drive to go to work and school.

i know that all of you think its a bad idea but I'm going to buy a locker for 600$ and I'm gona put it back together and thats definitely my best option, none of you can relay understand the position I'm in so you cant realy justify why thats my best option but it is. a locker for it cost me 600$ either way if i buy the powertrax for 500 i need a 100$ carrier so i may as well buy the detroit for 600. I'm not settling for the one wheel peel and your lying to yourself if you honestly think that i can afford to put a 14 bolt under it right now, theres just no way a 14 bolt can happen Right now. greesedog i know you think I'm just ignoring your opinion but I'm not, i know you have the experience but you cant understand that i cant afford a 14 bolt and I'm not gona band aid my 10 bolt because it would be bandaided forever. you think I'm just some stupid kid but put yourself in my shoes, I'm out of a job right now and i could get a call anytime to go to a job interview so the truck needs to Be ruining and as soon as it is running I'm not touching that rear end for a long time so I'm not gona niger rig it. and say i did find a smokin deel on a 14 bolt, it has to have 4.56 gees or my 4x4 would be useless. so say you finaly realize a 14bolt is outa my question and you say"well why not put a stock gove bomb in" my answer to that is because i dont want to tear it down again, i cant afford for the truck to be down that long once i have a job, i just got lucky that i hapened to have some spare time that i normaly dont have whene i work. my rear end has been runing the way it was with the locker and geers for many years and has been entered in truck pulls with it and has been abused probly all its life and it still lasted for years so i think that ill get my 600 dollers worth for atleast a few more years before im ready for a 14bolt.

[Chevy1500z71]

so what does the guy with years of experience on you know? :whatever:

you know what THE best option is but you cant undertand what MY best option is because you dont understand what my budget is and you dont know how i use the truck. you think that im just a stupid kid who dosent take an experienced guys advice but i cant afford to take your advice, if i could i would.

[91chevZ71]

cheapest and smartest solution is to run open until you find the a 14 bolt to build up
opinion, obviously

if you can't run open because it's broken, get a 10 bolt carrier from a junkyard to slap in temporarily

[Chevy1500z71]

im ordering the locker and i dont want to heer any more crap about how i shouldnt do it. please

[Chevy1500z71]

cheapest and smartest solution is to run open until you find the a 14 bolt to build up
opinion, obviously
lol you guys are finding it hard to understand that if i do that it will be years before i can aford to find a 14 bolt to build up. i know if i had the money your guys advice would be exactly what id do but i just dont have the money. but i do understand why you think i need a 14 bolt because i do agree but whene i used to have a job and whene i get a new job i make about 200$ every 2 weeks, after gas and insurance i have about 20-50$ spending/saving money at the end of a pay check nothing more so im not going to get the money saved up for a realy long time

[91chevZ71]

600 bucks for a new locker and you don't have the money for a 14SF from the yard?

that sucks man. hope things work out. seriously

[91chevZ71]

one set of 4.56 for the 14SF is like 150 bucks or something

my bad. 238.99 from 4WP

[98GreenMachine]

:dunno:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/9-5-14-bolt-6-lug-3-73-posi-Dana-60_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33731QQihZ023QQitemZ360012262946QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

[Chevy1500z71]

i have no yard around here. id have to find a doner truck that someone would be williong to let me pull it out of. the 14 bolt is just not practical for me to do in so many ways.

[Chevy1500z71]

500$ for an axle, then 150-200 for geers, and then 100-200 for breaks, and then i dont have a welder for moving spring perches, then i gota switch the u joint. that sounds alot more expensive than puting a locker in my turd

[91chevZ71]

:dunno:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/9-5-14-bolt-6-lug-3-73-posi-Dana-60_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33731QQihZ023QQitemZ360012262946QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

plus gears...around 750 if you do it all yourself.
compared to 600 plus shipping/handling from summit

[91chevZ71]

dude, it's from an OBS. the ad says the perches can be moved to fit older trucks


so put some new pads and springs in the drums.

[Chevy1500z71]

even if i were to say im gona do the 14 bolt swap and ho,d out till i find a good one and then sell my old 10 bolt to make up the difrence so that i can afford it, i still cant aford for the truck to be siting that long. i need the truck runing, my parents dont want me driving there cars... which sucks because theres a trailblazer ss siting in the driveway that iv driven maybe 4 or 5 times.

[Chevy1500z71]

i like that you guys are trying to help and it does get me thinking maybe i can put a 14 bolt in but the isue is i dont have the time for all that.

[Chevy1500z71]

and i already spend 120 on a rebuild kit for my 10 bolt and id have to buy another one for the 14. i cant return it either cuz i already put the pinion back together with the crush sleeve and new seel and bearing.

[91chevZ71]

my parents dont want me driving there cars...


he he leaving that one alone


screw it, man. do a thread on the install. I need an eaton or something for mine and I'm gonna do it myself (hopefully)

[Chevy1500z71]

525$ axle+75$ chiping+120$ rebuild+ 150$gears+ 50$ breaks=920 and thats still a stock locker. plus the truck would be down for a month atleast. seems like a good idea in theory but whene you add it all up it dosent seem doable

[91chevZ71]

ask your parents for money, if you can live with that


I can't believe I just said that lol

tell them you're thinking long-term with the 14 bolt. save money in the long run

[Chevy1500z71]

he he leaving that one alone


screw it, man. do a thread on the install. I need an eaton or something for mine and I'm gonna do it myself (hopefully)

the blazer ss wont do a burn out with that dam traction controll on...o yea maybe thats why imnot alowed to drive it.

its not that hard tearing apart the rear end, i used the write up on the 14boltsf and it walked me thru it prety good, the only thin i need to know is what the torque specs are on the carier bearing caps and the u joints, and how to set up the backlash, i do have a dial indicator

[Chevy1500z71]

ask your parents for money, if you can live with that


I can't believe I just said that lol

to be honest my dad is already willing to help me out a litle on the locker but i feel bad enough taking the money for that i dont want to explain to them how im gona tear my axle out and spend 900$ on puting a junkyard axle in, i doubt theyd understand

[91chevZ71]

silverado_nolan's write up, correct?

[Chevy1500z71]

well all that got me nowere, back to ordering that locker! lol

[Chevy1500z71]

silverado_nolan's write up, correct?
yea, i printed that bad boy out and took it out there with me under the truck and it prety much got me thru thw whole tear down, the redneck service manual

[91chevZ71]

hey man, it's all about what you're comfortable with. you wanna get the 10 bolt fixed up, go for it.
If you feel that you are making the best decision with the information at hand, you should feel fine about getting the 10 bolt repaired.

[Chevy1500z71]

yea im gona get that stuf ordered up soon, gona get the locker a fuel pressure guage and what would a polished turd 10 bolt be without a 19$ chrome cover.

[91chevZ71]

you could be buying a 14 bolt chrome cover

ok, that's it. I'm done; just had to get that last one out lol

[Chevy1500z71]

i also could be buying a 572ci big block to put in my truck but i cant afford that either...

[Chevy1500z71]

dam is there any other good places besides summit and jegs, they both dont carry the locker so i have to order the locker from an ebay store and the fuel pressure guage from summit, any webstie that has it all?

[98GreenMachine]

http://www.ringpinion.com/ProductDetails.aspx?ProdID=1690

[Chevy1500z71]

thanks alot man, cheepest ive seen it. anyone with experience with the dirfrent eaton lockers, how good is the true track, i see its alot cheeper.

[Chevy1500z71]

also, the new bearings that came with my rebuild kit will go on that locker, correct? or do i need something special would hate to order this and pay for faster shiping and realize i need some fancy bearings.

[mudbuddy]

have you thought about just welding the axles to the spool.
no you don't weld the axles to the carrier you weld the spider gears to the carrier it is called a lincoln posi lol like lincoln welder if your uneducated enough to run a spool on the street you might as well just weld it up it will be just as strong and the money you pay for a spool can be saved for a new truck when you total that bitch out on a curve at 70 miles per hour

[GreaseDog]

its actually basic economics. you're spending $600 for a new locker, and you're still going to have a small ring gear and crappy axle shafts. something you know will break eventually. or, you could spend the $900 get a stronger ring and pinion and bigger axle shafts, i havent heard of anybody breaking a 14SF Gov Loc. it just doesnt make good sense to me to spend money twice, put the good stuff in right off the bat and be done with it. if you're out of a job and worried about getting it on the road fast, why MUST you have a locker? the responsible big boy thing to do is put a stock carrier in it, and run it like that until you can afford something else. you dont NEED 4wd, and you have no business wheeling a truck you cant afford to properly maintain. you're 17 years old kid, maybe its time to start moving towards thinking like a responsible adult.

[mudbuddy]

true one thing you will need when 4 wheeling is spare cash to fix what you break if you don't have any spare stay on the pavement

[Chevy1500z71]

you dont NEED 4wd, and you have no business wheeling a truck you cant afford to properly maintain. you're 17 years old kid, maybe its time to start moving towards thinking like a responsible adult.

who are you to tell me how i need to deal with my personal problems. i really do appreciate you trying to help but at this point your getting ridiculous. in theory you can say ill get a 14bolt for 900$ but in the real world were i live(no junkyards) there is no way in hell a 14 bolt will get under that truck for anything less than 1100$ at least. i mean if i find an axle for 500$ that 100 more for shipping right there then brakes gears and rebuild kit and id have to do something about the u joint not matching. its just not worth the time and money. i ordered the locker and I'm done explaining to you why i need to go that route. i know your thinking why not put a stock open Carrier in and my answer is because thats what ill be stuck with forever if i do that. I'm not going to sacrifice having a locker and never go off road again because you feel that i have no business doing so. sorry if i offended you but i do appreciate you trying to help and i know you have more experience than me its just you aren't grasping why i cant put a 14 bolt in. my parents wouldn't even let me put a 10bolt in because of how much time id be putting in. i can give you 100 more reasons but you still seem to think you know better than i do whats best for me.

maybe i am just a stupid unexperienced 17 year old but the way its going together is how its staying and I'm not gona go for an open carrier because lets face it, look at my truck. its not exactly the kind of truck that I'm going to just throw together however its built to be a fun truck and a open carrier is not fun. if i was older, then i probably would just put a open carrier in and wait but i want to get my fun outa the truck now. now that doesn't mean I'm gona go rag on the truck with no regard for how much things cost if i break something but i know my limits and i know what i can do with a 10 bolt.

[Chevy1500z71]

true one thing you will need when 4 wheeling is spare cash to fix what you break if you don't have any spare stay on the pavement

it broke on pavement on my way to Wendy's, it would have broke anyways. it was old and my truck has been used with that rear in in several truck pulls and was driven pretty hard. i doubt ill be breaking it again anytime soon with the new Detroit I'm ordering for it. I'm not saying i never off road it because i do but iv never broken anything from offroading I'm very good at knowing my limits because of my money situation, to be honest when i had a job i was alot more comfortable offroading the truck.

[chevytaHOE5674]

Yay for the locker in the 10 bolt. This is 285 tires and a stock motor with a Detroit locker. On a very mild trail.
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/261460/fullsize/29.jpg

Edit, it cost me lots less to swap the 14 bolt, than the body damage and 10 bolt temp fix cost me to get the truck running again after the breakage.

[Chevy1500z71]

after i spend 600$ on the locker ther will be NO breakage. just because you wheel the piss outa your truck dosent meen im gona go out and snap an axle like you, im so sick of heering all you guys tell me what i need to know whene you dont even know me or how i use my truck or anything. you guys need to be more like 91chevz71, he seems to undertand beter than all you that only i can know what is best for me no mater how many ways you try and convince me. and at thgis point with you knowing that i already ordered the locker, you posting that is just plain rude. i dont even care anymore, im not gona be nice and explain again about why im not geting a 14 bolt. you making a comment like that makes me think either you just havnt read any of this thread or your just rude.

[Chevy1500z71]

dam im pissing alot o people off today, i need to get off thnis forum for a bit.

[chevytaHOE5674]

i read it, I'm trying to save you the hastle and grief i went through. Trust me in a college student i have exactly $46 in my bank account.

I cracked my stock G80 in half. Got a used one from a buddy and put it in for free so i could drive to school the next day. I maxed out my credit card buying the detroit locker (~600) for my 10bolt. Drove it for a year and broke it on an mild trail (meaning mud and a few logs and such) nothing hardcore, and i was being easy on it. So i left my truck in the woods. Drove 100 miles and got a junkyard shaft the following day. Cost me like 120 bucks (of BORROWED MONEY). Got the truck on the road, then had to save my pennies to fix the body where the tire ate it apart (700 bucks at the body shop). So lets do math now 600+120+700=1420. I swapped in my 14bolt and spend another 800 on that. So i learned the hard way and spent money twice. could have avoided the entire mess doing the 14 swap in the first place.

BUT like you i figured what the heck 600 bucks is cheaper than a 14b. Sorry if you can't see we are trying to help you.

Edit: since you ordered it, good luck. Hope you don't turn out like i did. Spending 1400 bucks on something that let me down and left me stranded. And now is worth a few hundered bucks at most.

[GreaseDog]

god you remind me of my friends 8 year old son, you dont care how its put back together, just as long as both rear tires spin. just trying to save you money in the long run.

and always remember, good things come to those who wait...

[GreaseDog]

after i spend 600$ on the locker ther will be NO breakage.

no breakage huh? im predicting the breakage will look exactly like this.
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/261460/fullsize/29.jpg

go ahead and buy a set of good shafts for it. you will have completely blown the budget for a stock 14 bolt, and you'll still have a weaker gearset.

then all of FSC can laugh at you and say...

"I TOLD YOU SO!"

kids... :nono:

[MStefak]

Well Chevy1500 .. I'll give you some of my "infinite" knowladge.

Too do a 14SF swap ( which is a 9.5" Semi Floater ) you need to do the following.

Find a 14SF out of an 88-98. Most commonly found in 96-98's - $50 - $500 bucks
- Generally in the low $150 - $200 is what I sell them for

If you NEED to do brakes go to your nearest Napa:
440-1477 - Brake Drum - $100 ea
2237 - Brake shoe hardware kit - $6 set
370189 - Wheel cylinder - $15 ea
TS473 - Brake Shoe Set - $35 set

Then you will need to convert your 10 bolt setup to accomidate your new 14sf. So you need a new ujoint.

Depending on if you have a 3 joint or a 2 joint shaft. But here are the conversion ujoint numbers

21153 - $40 -( You may already actually have this one, some came stock with it - 3joint shaft)
23050 - $40 ( if you have a 2 joint shaft )

Your shocks will fit, your perches will be fine, and you can use the same size UBolts.

Good luck. Could cost you as little as $90 up to say $1000.
Most commonly this can be done cost effectively as a temp setup until you can sink the good money in for a few hundred.

Ive taken out countless 10 bolts , and finally I did the swap.
375HP 5speed with 36's hammering on this 14SF with 3.42's (mhmmm can we take about axle wrap, i dont even want to see the stress on the shafts) for ... 7 months and its still the best damn thing ive done yet. The braking system is WAY better as well.

[MStefak]

after i spend 600$ on the locker ther will be NO breakage. just because you wheel the piss outa your truck dosent meen im gona go out and snap an axle like you, im so sick of heering all you guys tell me what i need to know whene you dont even know me or how i use my truck or anything.

Here comes more bashing the men who know best. Kid , the reason we know is BECAUSE WE'VE DONE IT ALREADY.

PS . I'm starting to realize it is because of your age you are like this. I've never wanted to through that at someone because I was your age once too - and not too long ago.

[Chevy1500z71]

all i have to say is why continue to tell me this after you know iv ordered the locker? iv already made my decision and for you all to tell me i shoud have done otherwise is just rude. i normaly would have a snapy comeback to all your bashing but im so sick of waisting my time typing whene it gets me nowere. arguing on the internet is like competing in the special olympics, even if you win your still a retard.

[Chevy1500z71]

no breakage huh? im predicting the breakage will look exactly like this.
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/261460/fullsize/29.jpg

go ahead and buy a set of good shafts for it. you will have completely blown the budget for a stock 14 bolt, and you'll still have a weaker gearset.

then all of FSC can laugh at you and say...

"I TOLD YOU SO!"

kids... :nono:

pretty immature post from a guy saying im like an 8 year old

[GreaseDog]

actually trying to help your dumb ass out. spend a little more money now, since you're borrowing anyways, to save you some money in the long run. but, being young and knowing it all, you're going to do the financially immature and impatient thing, because it will get you results NOW. they may not be the most thought out results, and they may not be the best results, but hey, they'll be here as soon as that locker shows up, right?

[chevytaHOE5674]

Must be nice to have a truck too badass for an open carrier. Guess he will have to figure it out for himself. Good luck.

[91chevZ71]

Still have the stock G80 in my 14SF, and it still works great. I had an itch to replace it, but it ain't broke.
You would probably impress your folks if you told them you were making a decision to hold off for a while and save up for the 14SF with all the goodies.
.02 cents

[Chevy1500z71]

actually trying to help your dumb ass out. spend a little more money now, since you're borrowing anyways, to save you some money in the long run. but, being young and knowing it all, you're going to do the financially immature and impatient thing, because it will get you results NOW. they may not be the most thought out results, and they may not be the best results, but hey, they'll be here as soon as that locker shows up, right?

let me put it more plain and simple for you. i have to do what my parents alow. they wil not allow me to put a 14 bolt under my truck because its a project and i cant do that right now. my dad wants me to order the locker and be done with it for now and its already been ordered and on its way. now can you please stop arguing me like im imiture and i need you to step in and steer me on the right path, its what i can do and you have no right coming in here bashin me and telling what to do. i started this thread to get some questions answered, thats what a forum is for not this bullsh!t. can i ever just go on this dam forum and get a reply that isnt bashing me.

[Chevy1500z71]

i had a quick question on puting my 10 bolt back together but ill start a new thread since this one has been destroyed

[91chevZ71]

LMAO


we're just trying to help you from making a bad decision. don't get all butt-hurt because everyone but you thinks that rebuilding the 10 bolt is a bad idea.

[Chevy1500z71]

Still have the stock G80 in my 14SF, and it still works great. I had an itch to replace it, but it ain't broke.
You would probably impress your folks if you told them you were making a decision to hold off for a while and save up for the 14SF with all the goodies.
.02 cents

that wouldnt impress my parents, that would actualy make them think im lazy, siting around with no job with no truck to drive to a job and wanting to sink more cahs into as they call it "my old peice of crap" my dad want the thing done with ASAP and not a half ass job to hold me over untill i spend more money on a 14 bolt he want it dont soon and good enough to leave along for a long time.

on the bright side i turned in another job app today and its looking like ima get this job forsure...

[Chevy1500z71]

Must be nice to have a truck too badass for an open carrier. Guess he will have to figure it out for himself. Good luck.

thats not trying to help

[Chevy1500z71]

you guys dont get that i realy do understand your trying to help but you need to give it a reast because iv already ordered the locker for my 10 bolt and any more advice on the 14 bolt is just a smack in the face because you know im stuck with the 10bolt

[Chevy1500z71]

i feel like an idiot for waisting time responding to all this crap

[chevytaHOE5674]

I'm going to agree that this is a public forum, don't get butt hurt when people tell you that you are making stupid decisions. If you can't take it then go find someplace else to post.

I fail to see how an open carrier would have been a thrown together fix. It is a factory setup and would have cost you probably less than 100 dollars and would have been better for your axle (although it seems a little tough for your ego). Hell i would have found an open carrier shipped it to you. Then you could have saved the other 500 for an actual UPGRADE.

[Chevy1500z71]

its not about my ego its about i want a nice truck and since a 14 bolt is outa the question i want to make the 10 bolt as nice as a 10 bolt can be since im not going to be touching it antime soon after i finish puting it together. like iv said 100 times you cant realy understand because your not me. i feel comfterble with puting a locker in the 10 bolt and you shoudl just respect that and leave me alone its not your truck so dont wory about it.

[chevytaHOE5674]

I understand, i did the same thing once. And i broke mine on 285's you have big ole 35 claws with the almighty whipple. You say you won't be touching it anytime soon, until it breaks and you lose a tire. I lost mine at about 5mph and did 700 worth of body damage. Just imagine the damage at a greater rate of speed.

leave me alone its not your truck so dont wory about it.

If thats the case then DON'T post.

[Chevy1500z71]

well judging by your sig i dont do nearly the same to my truck as you do to yours. i know what a 10 bolt can do and i know for a fact that i can make it last for atleast a few years. if it goes after that than i dont mind to much because at that point it will be time for me to do a 383 and the rear end at the same time... asuming that i will have money at that point.

[GreaseDog]

im sure if you properly presented your proposal to you parents, and give valid reasons, and state the financial sense it makes in relation to its known weakness. with an argument like that, and especially if they're going to be shelling out the cash anyways, they probably wouldnt turn it down, unless cash is really tight. they would probably be impressed with your forethought of the overall situation.

furthermore, if they're so against mods and upgrades, why the hell do you have a supercharger on your truck?

[GreaseDog]

fwiw, when i was your age i talked my partents into a full blown drivetrain overhaul, the only thing that wasnt touched was the rear end. they were ready to throw down the coin for a stock reman when i explained the benefits of building my own, i promised to pay them back in a timely manner, and they went for it. i had the baddest truck in the parking lot until this kid a year younger than me got his daddy's F100 shortbed with a 460 in it.

[Chevy1500z71]

the truck came with the blower, thats one of the main reasons i bought the truck, i could never aford a blower but i sure love having one, except for all the pain its giving me with tunig and what nolt but well worth it and not a big deal. as far as my parents no iv never put the pedel more than 1/4 way to the floor honestly. they think that i dont need the 14 because "im not drag racing the thing" and dont get me wrong my dad does understand it all and he understands why i want a nice truck he has an exhaust and intake on his truck(duramax) himself but he still dosent want me driving my truck hard and for all he knows a drive like a grandma. the reason for him wanting me to get a lcoker again is because were i park my brothers truck prety much gets stuck because of its one wheel peel problem and he understands that the one wheel bandit sucks. he knows i offroad a litle but not to the extent of what i realy do with the truck. basicly if i gave a valid reason for geting a 14 bolt it would prety much give away that i dont exactly drive like grandma. but dont get me wrong im a safe driver and were my seatbelt and what not but well you know how it is, whene i want my truck to do something i want it to get after it.

[Chevy1500z71]

fwiw, when i was your age i talked my partents into a full blown drivetrain overhaul, the only thing that wasnt touched was the rear end. they were ready to throw down the coin for a stock reman when i explained the benefits of building my own, i promised to pay them back in a timely manner, and they went for it. i had the baddest truck in the parking lot until this kid a year younger than me got his daddy's F100 shortbed with a 460 in it.

dont wory, i got the badest truck around, all my freinds make fun of me for gas milage... thats all they got to make fun of with their gay ford rangers and old as 6cylender f150s. so you can understand why i just want my 10 bolt to be a good locking rear end rather than having a crapy open diff untill maybe a year or 2 whene i get around to a 14 bolt... and of course even if i wanted it i cant get it because my parents. the only competition i have is my bros duramax, prety tuff truck to hang with, single cab duramax with diablo 120 tune with needle valve waistgete for 30 psi 2wd. definitly a quick truck. i hang with him outa the hole if i launch in 4x4 but after he jumps out about a length and stays ahead. thats the only reason i realy continue making my truck faster, im trying to hang with a duramax

[91chevZ71]

I was an IROC-Z guy when I was 17. thank god that stage has passed. I had everything but the mullet
don't get me wrong, I loved and still love 3rd gens and 4th gens (had a 95 Z...3 speeding tickets ended that quick)

[98GreenMachine]

holy **** this turned into a soap opera :eek:

Everybody has got their point across and everybody has got their opinions out, so everybody just calm the F down :read:

How about instead of bashing a 17 year old kid trying to get his truck moving again, we help him get his locker installed? Novel idea, I know.. :lol:

[Koots]

I rocked around in a Caprice classic in high school. i had the most unique vehicle there because, for one thing, it was my own and secondly i was driving a Full size chevy V8 car. It was damn cool IMO but others might think i was a loser (which i was :aniteef: )

[Koots]

holy **** this turned into a soap opera :eek:

Everybody has got their point across and everybody has got their opinions out, so everybody just calm the F down :read:

How about instead of bashing a 17 year old kid trying to get his truck moving again, we help him get his locker installed? Novel idea, I know.. :lol:

:word:

I know the 10Bolt can blow ass, but mine has survived a hard life even with the G80 and it hasn't bitched out yet (i cannot stress "yet" enough though) as long as he understands it isn't very strong he will not be disappointed. if he thought it would be as good as a 14b he is stupid. case closed, smiles for everyone :D

[GreaseDog]

dont wory, i got the badest truck around, ...so you can understand why i just want my 10 bolt to be a good locking rear end rather than having a crapy open diff untill maybe a year or 2 whene i get around to a 14 bolt...

thank you for confirming that it is in fact just your ego keeping you from an open diff.

[Chevy1500z71]

dont start that crap again, and dont modify my quote to make it sound beter on your part

dude its not the ego its the fun factor, i was just sorta chiming in since you said you had the badest truck on the lot.if it was an ego thing i would be into all show no go i meen realy who even knows what a locking diff is around were i live, if it was to satisfy my ego id be buying something that other people actualy could notice like a biger lift or biger rims something along those lines, get what im sayin

[Chevy1500z71]

holy **** this turned into a soap opera :eek:

Everybody has got their point across and everybody has got their opinions out, so everybody just calm the F down :read:

How about instead of bashing a 17 year old kid trying to get his truck moving again, we help him get his locker installed? Novel idea, I know.. :lol:

were were you at 30 posts ago lol.

[fljeeper]

I felt the need to register just to give you my past experiences.

1st off I have a Jeep and not a Chevy.

Now that we got that out of the way..... I have been through 2 broken axles, 1 bent shaft, 2 grenaded ring gears, broken wheel studs, bent tubes ect.

99% of the time you break anything in your rear end you have damaged axle shafts. You say you split the carrier and broke the teeth off the luch box locker? I am willing to be you need to replace you shafts also.

14 bolt is the way to go. If you search craigs list locally you can find 10.5" 14's all day long w/ anything from 4:10's to 5;13's for $150 to $300 in good shape hear in FL. Cut the brakets off your 10 bolt grid them a little bigger and you can place them on the 14 tubes. In reallity you should be able to swap in a 14bolt and gear it for $600 tops. (assuming you cant find one w/ 4.56's) Then you don't need a locker. You just weld the spiders.

I just finish trying to band aid an axle time and time again. I am now 800% wiser and relize I could have swapped the axle for a HP 9" with 40 spline alloys for all the money I've spent now. I finally bit the bullet and did the swap a few weeks ago.

Just my .02 from a fellow wheeler + daily driver.

[Chevy1500z71]

well i really just could not afford a 14 bolt. not just money but time i had to get it done quick so i threw a Detroit full locker in and the axles are fine, i know its limits and ill get my 600$ worth before I'm ready for the 14 bolt. thanks for your input tho. i got 100 replies on another thread bashing me for not getting a 14 bolt but i just couldn't afford to leave the truck on jack stands for 2 months while i search for a 14 bolt and i had already purchased the rebuild kit for the 10 bolt so 14 bolt was just out of the question as much as i know that would be the ultimate fix but like i said ill have my moneys worth by the time I'm ready for a 14 bolt...

[Tbi-MAX]

well Chevy1500z71 how did the swap come along with the 10 bolt? I understand you did what you had to do, & thats all that matters.. but i have a few questions to ask in your thread, and im sure you will not mind... :tongue: you can also PM me on AIM like usual..

now this is the best bit of info I got out of this thread, and Im intrested in doing the 14bolt swap on my truck.. I found the axle for $92 bucks without hubs or drums, with them its $143.. so I was thinking just buy it, and sit on it.. do note I want my tires to stick out to match my front stance, i was told to use the 4x4 axle priced the same... as they stickout longer..

Well Chevy1500 .. I'll give you some of my "infinite" knowladge.

Too do a 14SF swap ( which is a 9.5" Semi Floater ) you need to do the following.

Find a 14SF out of an 88-98. Most commonly found in 96-98's - $50 - $500 bucks
- Generally in the low $150 - $200 is what I sell them for

If you NEED to do brakes go to your nearest Napa:
440-1477 - Brake Drum - $100 ea
2237 - Brake shoe hardware kit - $6 set
370189 - Wheel cylinder - $15 ea
TS473 - Brake Shoe Set - $35 set

Then you will need to convert your 10 bolt setup to accomidate your new 14sf. So you need a new ujoint.

Depending on if you have a 3 joint or a 2 joint shaft. But here are the conversion ujoint numbers

21153 - $40 -( You may already actually have this one, some came stock with it - 3joint shaft)
23050 - $40 ( if you have a 2 joint shaft )

Your shocks will fit, your perches will be fine, and you can use the same size UBolts.

Good luck. Could cost you as little as $90 up to say $1000.
Most commonly this can be done cost effectively as a temp setup until you can sink the good money in for a few hundred.

Ive taken out countless 10 bolts , and finally I did the swap.
375HP 5speed with 36's hammering on this 14SF with 3.42's (mhmmm can we take about axle wrap, i dont even want to see the stress on the shafts) for ... 7 months and its still the best damn thing ive done yet. The braking system is WAY better as well.

is it that simple? say i bought the axle... im looking at how much total to get it installed and running?? i could use the better braking power, and I have plans for 4.56 in the future, but if the axle has those gears, it might be worth it.. how common is this combo? in the future i could do a locker when more $$ permits..

[GreaseDog]

installed and running? whatever the cost of brakes, a conversion ujoint, and a set of ubolts is. make sure to get the ubolt plates off of the donor, as the ones for your 10 bolt are different to account for the thicker axle tube diameter.

[Chevy1500z71]

i didnt swap it for a 14, but if your asking how the 10 came along then yea it came out prety good. i got it all together in about a day after i got the parts, set the backlash to about .6 or 7 i think and the gear tooth patern was fine threw some fresh bearings in the only snag was that the detroit uses a diferent beaqrings than what was in my rebuild kit so i ended up with ford 9" bearings and some other ford axle race to make it all fit. the only thing im mad i dint think about was i never checked the backlash before i took it apart so i couldnt make it the same so now it makes a litle bit of noise when its not under power but its hardly noticable and people who ride in my truck just think its my tires...

sounds like you got a smokin deal on that 14 i wish i could have goten one but theres just no way to find anything like that around were i live

[Tbi-MAX]

installed and running? whatever the cost of brakes, a conversion ujoint, and a set of ubolts is. make sure to get the ubolt plates off of the donor, as the ones for your 10 bolt are different to account for the thicker axle tube diameter.

its the hidden cost i was asking about, but if its straight forward like that, then i want to do it, if i find something with 4.56 gears.. the axle had 8 lugs, so i dont think it will work.. but it was a few more axles they had, I will look at. also can i switch to 5 lug using my axle stuff or not?

how can i tell what gears is installed? if its at the scrapyard? alot of them are missing the glove box.

[GreaseDog]

its the hidden cost i was asking about, but if its straight forward like that, then i want to do it, if i find something with 4.56 gears.. the axle had 8 lugs, so i dont think it will work.. but it was a few more axles they had, I will look at. also can i switch to 5 lug using my axle stuff or not?

how can i tell what gears is installed? if its at the scrapyard? alot of them are missing the glove box.


if you're swapping housings, there is no more hidden cost. that's everything it took to swap mine over. of course, since you're wanting to go 5 lug with a 14SF, you've just limited yourself to a 2wd housing, since you wont be able to buy 5 lug shafts for a 4wd off the shelf. if you get a 2wd housing, you should be able to swap in a set of 454SS shafts and brakes. as for finding 4.56 gears, good luck with that. nothing that low was offered in a 14SF. your 8.5" shafts wont work, though i wouldnt swear the brakes wouldnt.

easiest way to find out what gears are in it, pull the cover and count the teeth. if you get really lucky, you may have one that when you pull the cover you'll be able to see the numbers on the ring gear. these numbers will include something like "41:11" divide the ring gear number by the pinion to get the ratio. a 41:11 would be a 3.73 gear set.

at one point, there was a 454SS 14SF for sale on the forums here. if you're lucky, he may still have it, and you might be able to get him to part with the shafts and brakes.

[Tbi-MAX]

this is starting to add up quick.. being i am 2wd.. well i hadnt buy my rims yet, but i can buy 6lug! if i go with the 6lug rear, ill have to get/buy 6lug rotors for the front.. (i dont mind doing this)

so you are basically saying its cheaper to find the 14bolt in 6lug pattern as the SS are hard to find. i dont want to limit myself to a 2wd housing. i basically need what is popular and easy to find..

so i got to look for a 14bolt, 6lug pattern, with hubs and drums, and remove the cover to count the teeth... so something like a 51:11 would be 4.66 ?

its rare just to even find a 454SS, i doubt many of their axles are for sale...

[GreaseDog]

well, in that case, 2wd light duty 2500 rear is what you want.

the only difference between the fronts are the rotors, the spindles, bearings pads and calipers are all the same.

the 6 lug 2500 LD rear is the way to go. my 92 has 16 x 8s with 4" BS, and they're almost even with the fender lips. going with the 4x4 rear would push them out even further, and the rear would be noticably wider than the rear.

[Chevy1500z71]

hey tbiemax there was never a 4.56 option but if you found one with 4.10s that wouldnt be to hard to find and it would be PERFECT for 33s. the hiden cost is going to be axles imo.

[Tbi-MAX]

well, in that case, 2wd light duty 2500 rear is what you want.

the only difference between the fronts are the rotors, the spindles, bearings pads and calipers are all the same.

the 6 lug 2500 LD rear is the way to go. my 92 has 16 x 8s with 4" BS, and they're almost even with the fender lips. going with the 4x4 rear would push them out even further, and the rear would be noticably wider than the rear.

yea, cause with my RC lift kit, the front lift spindles, gave the front a wider stance, so the tires in front stick out about 1" or so... thus the reason i was told use the 4x4 axle in the rear to even it out with the stance in the front.. like user axisT6 has done his 2wd, when he converted to 6lug.

so im in search of a 2500 LD thats 4x4... im such a newbie to all this gear, axle stuff, lol... time to start doing lots of research.

hey tbiemax there was never a 4.56 option but if you found one with 4.10s that wouldnt be to hard to find and it would be PERFECT for 33s. the hiden cost is going to be axles imo.

:think:
well, i think the axle shafts were coming with the whole assembly itself.. unless i have to buy new shafts??

alright guys i may end up starting a new thread.. look at this price sheet, and let me know what all i need... and yes the axle shaft assembly complete, cost more than a V8 engine... :D

http://www.pullapart.com/Pricing/Main.aspx

[Tbi-MAX]

well i decided to STAY 10 bolt..

i understand why Chevy1500z71 stock with his 10 bolt now.. its just the charges add up quickly.. example: say i find the 14bolt, the gears may not be 4.10s and correct bolt pattern... so ill have to re-gear still, and swap axles. say i find a 14bolt with 4.10s, i will still need new axles, as it maybe 8lug.. and vice-versa.. mean being 2wd just complicates it more.. so im keeping 5lug and 10bolt.

well then i thought some more, what i did use my truck for... i don't offroad, i don't take it to the strip with drag radials, and i don't have 500+ horsepower... and i will not be running 35+ inches of tire!

point being, ALOT of people under estimate what a 10 bolt can do... especially a built 10 bolt.. after doing my bit of research today... guess what? Parish makes 1010rwhp with guess what? a 10 bolt beefed up! thats right at the wheels.. no 14bolt... how is that? cause they are damn strong when beefed up properly.

as long as no major towing is being done, or no humongous tires 35+, or 500+ horses to the wheels, or slicks, or traction bars, or frame deep into the mud... IMO the 10 bolt is strong as can be.

so not everyone needs to have a 14 bolt... i guess its just the thing to do if you run 44" tires or lots of traction... my combo will consist of 4" lift, 33s, and beefed up 10 bolt, with 4.56 and a e-locker.

please anyone feel free to add to my research..

[Pauly]

The 10 bolt survives in Parishes truck because he drags in 4wd. 1 of his bddies broke the 10 bolt whilst doing a 2wd burnout at a gas station just after a drag event.

Some sort of aftermarket 3rd member like a Truetrac or eaton Carbon are much sttonger thanteh stock G80 locking rear dif and stock open dif.
Aftermarket axles can also be had for the 10 bolt as well. The ImpalaSS crowd(94-96) are running 11's and 12's with the 10 bolt setup, and siome of those cars are heavier than our rec cab shortbox trucks. these carts do NOT have rear leaf springs liek our trucks which help them greatly to avoid wheelhop. Wheelhop while under power will kill a 10 bolt in short order, esp with sticky tires. The violent loading and unloading of the rearend is too much for a 10 bolt. Every attemp should be made to avoid wheelhop, even with 14 bolt axles. I saw a 12 second 454SS break an aftermaket axle when it wheelhopped bad out of the hole at the drags. It had a stock 14 bolt rearend and the resultant body damage wasnt pretty.

You can build a pretty stout 10 bolt rear, but wheelhop will break any rearend, even the stout 14 bolt unit.

peace
PAuly

[Tbi-MAX]

well said Pauly! yea, im sure Parish would grenade the 10bolt or the 14bolt if he had slicks on his tires.. traction is the enemy, for rear ends and trannies... a built 10 bolt is alot, and built 14 bolts is better, but are destructable as well..

[Chevy1500z71]

i knew you would end up sticking with the 10 bolt, it gets pretty pricey really quick and after talking to you on aim it seemed like you knew Little about the subject so all the stuff you need to know can give you a big headache real quick, i know how it feels. people down talk the 10bolt big time but mine went thru hell on 35s with a built trans and a blower and had been to several tractor pulls by the previous owner, and i did burnouts with it a good bit. it Finlay broke when i juts went way to deep into the pedal from 0mp off of a red lite and bang, because i didn't give it a chance to get rolling before i mashed it. with my Detroit full locker ind 4.56 gears there is no way that beefy Detroit is going to break so my axle shafts are the only week point really. i wouldn't be to worried with 33s and gears. my 10bolts goes thru hell quite frequently and holds up fine i know exactly were to stop with it the thing that kills em is when they have no load and then suddenly hook up like if you get axle hop bad or something like that. so if your throwing down a burn out and it starts to hop a Little don't jump outa the throttle and then smack it again or something like that just try and smooth it out and stay calm and nothing will happen, its when you get scared and jump outa the throttle and then nail it again and so forth is when you screw things up.

o yea and I'm not sure who told you 4.56 is good for your 33s but i think i should tell you that a 4.10 is really truly the perfect ratio for 33s. 3.73s or 3.42s(whatever your stock ones are)will be just a Little sluggish on 33s but not too bad and then 4.56 will be balls to the walls performance on 33s(bad gass mileage), but 4.10s will be perfect. I'm telling you 4.10s and 33s are like peanut butter and jelly its a really common combination.

the reason someone may have said 4.56 is because they were probably looking for a balls to the walls launch with no concern for drivability or gas mailage... i hope you dind talready order gears lol

[GreaseDog]

you broke yours with a blower and beating on it, i broke my 3.42 G80 with a completely stock truck on 30" tires while driving in traffic at under 30. lets face facts here, you got LUCKY that id didnt break before. apparently you guys have a had tome finding 6 lug 14SFs, but they're all over here. maybe i should start collecting them and selling to you guys cheap.

[Blue71]

o yea and I'm not sure who told you 4.56 is good for your 33s but i think i should tell you that a 4.10 is really truly the perfect ratio for 33s. 3.73s or 3.42s(whatever your stock ones are)will be just a Little sluggish on 33s but not too bad and then 4.56 will be balls to the walls performance on 33s(bad gass mileage), but 4.10s will be perfect. I'm telling you 4.10s and 33s are like peanut butter and jelly its a really common combination.

the reason someone may have said 4.56 is because they were probably looking for a balls to the walls launch with no concern for drivability or gas mailage... i hope you dind talready order gears lol
:LOL: man you crack me up.

[GreaseDog]

man, so i guess im WAY out of line with my 5.13s and 37s.

[Chevy1500z71]

don't be offended, i wasn't bashing people for going with a taller gear like i said it will perform better but i just feel that id rather keep the revs a Little lower for gas mileage. its all preference, however you couldn't possibly tell me that 4.56 on 33s is a common swap?

and greasedog, i didn't just get lucky. the 10 bolt can handle itself much better than you think, getting away with one tractor pull and then it breaking on another tractor pull is luck, doing several shows that it can handle it. i know in your mind I'm an idiot for not getting a 14 but you really just don't get it, it is almost impossible for me to get a 14 under my truck for under 1500$ id have to pay big time shipping on the rear end because i live in old fokes town were all the old people come down to Florida to die, no junk yards around here at all. and then i absolutely need gears because i already have 4.56 up front, then i need a rebuild kit which cost 140$ and then i would have been out 140 on the rebuild i already got for my 10 bolt, then axles. not to mention god knows how long id have to be bumming rides off of my brother. its not a swap that any idiot can do in one weekend. some of us don't have the resources and you need to understand that because it seems that in your mind everybody needs a 14 or there an idiot...

[Chevy1500z71]

man, so i guess im WAY out of line with my 5.13s and 37s.

well on paper a certain gear matches a certain tire size but in reality you need to go a Little more to get more power advantage for the extra weight so the bigger the tire gets the bigger the gap between the perfect gear and the more powerfull one if you get what I'm saying(sorry if i made that hard to understand, i don't know any better way to explain it). another thing is that if your truck is gutless than you may want 4.56 on 33s but he has a 383 so 4.56 will be a waist on 33s with his truck. just my opinion.

[Chevy1500z71]

:LOL: man you crack me up.

you cant possibly tell me that 4.10 isnt the gear of choice for 33s? i mean comon, im not puting you down if you run something else but you know what i say is true for the most part.

[chevytaHOE5674]

Good luck to all you 10 bolt guys, im posting this so people searching have a little extra food for thought. Blew stock axle shaft on 285 off road. Then broke a superior alloy super heavy duty shaft on the street turning a corner with 285's and the detroit, I got on it figuring ill be fine and boom lost another tire...... Thats when i bucked up for the 14b swap. With the cash i spend rebuilding the axle a few times, and the body damage i more than paid for any 14b you could imagine.

And for once ill agree with the kid 4.10's are perfect for a normal A/T or M/T 33" tire.

[xx_ED_xx]

I think he drinks the methanol instead of using it in his truck :D

[xx_ED_xx]

Oh and yes they make a c clip eliminator for 10 bolts.

[91chevZ71]

4.10 and 33's sound like the norm to me.
There's a couple 14 SF's around Denver too. LOOK HARDER lol

[xx_ED_xx]

http://store.summitracing.com/egnsearch.asp?N=700+4294845827+115+4294845821

[Blue71]

you cant possibly tell me that 4.10 isnt the gear of choice for 33s? i mean comon, im not puting you down if you run something else but you know what i say is true for the most part.
Sorry don't feel the need to tell you What's best for your truck or anybody else, two each his own.
Gutless I don't think so, Balls to the wall YES, bad gas mileage NO same as stock, drivability that
the fun part.
Here's a nice chart.
http://www.4lo.com/calc/geartable.htm

The cracking me up part was,
I think you could argue with a tree stump and still come out on top.
Have you ever thought about becoming an Attorney?
Ps- I ment that in a good way!

Just like to read your post, keeps things interesting.

[jaredcc86]

I think he drinks the methanol instead of using it in his truck :D



hahah after 3 cans of beers reading this whole deal....reading that cracked me up

[GreaseDog]

its not a swap that any idiot can do in one weekend. some of us don't have the resources and you need to understand that because it seems that in your mind everybody needs a 14 or there an idiot... on the contrary, it is a swap that any idiot can do in a weekend, and with no special tools required. i removed my bed, took my rear springs off and swapped them, did the brakes, new shocks and shackles. new brake lines and ebrake cables. it took me about 12 hours to do, and that was because i had problems with getting the springs off. no special tools required. if you're talking about swapping gears, a dial indicator is the only special tool you'll need. you can find one of them pretty cheap.

not everybody needs a 14 bolt, those people are running stock sized tires, and stock engines. you have neither. :read:

[98GreenMachine]

And another thread gets killed by GreaseDog and his infinite wisdom :whatever:

[91chevZ71]

And another thread gets killed by GreaseDog


LOL

:sniper:<this thread>:rocket:

14 bolt FTW

[GreaseDog]

And another thread gets killed by GreaseDog and his common sense and logical thinking
i fixed it for you.

the $500+ that was spent on a locker for a rear with weaker shafts and gearset could've been spent on a stock axle that would have held the power just fine, though the gears wouldnt have matched, and he could have upgraded when money allowed. but rather than doing that, he "had to wheel his truck now" and couldnt have mismatched gears or no locker. we all know that they're notorious for failure with big tires or big power, you cannot deny that. if you try to deny their reputation, you're an idiot. your argument that it was used in a tractor pull situation is laughable at best. there's a huge difference in the shock loads that a truck on its own puts on drivetrain, and the one constant load that occurs in a tractor pull situation.

[Chevy1500z71]

greasedog i dint even bother reading your last post becasue it aint worth it all i gota say is you cant sit here and tell people whats best for them when you have no idea what situation they are in or how much time/money they have. preach all you want about puting a 14 bolt in for cheep but it can be cheap for some people and way to expensive for others in my case WAY to expensie, totaly out of the question but you cant respect that you still have to go on telling people what is best for them like they cant handle it themselves like what you did with me on my 14. i dont think your to bad on here, and i cant say i have a problem with you, your not even close to 91_bowtie but you do need to calm down a bit on telling people what they need to do otherwise they have no "common sense and logical thinking" and i mean that in the nicest way possible you should realy just setle down on this kinda stuff if you know what i meen

[Chevy1500z71]

wow i just read your post and im a bit offended, i didnt "have to wheel my truck now" some people need to go to school and work but thats one of thos things i mentioned above about how you dont take into acount what situations other people are in before you go blurting out your opinion. and im sure there is someone reading this that agrees with me

[Chevy1500z71]

Oh and yes they make a c clip eliminator for 10 bolts.

that wasnt the question, im prety sure it was something about if it would be a good idea to get a c clip emiminator or how it works or something like that, i know i posted it but its been a while and i dont remember it all to well.

[98GreenMachine]

wow i just read your post and im a bit offended, i didnt "have to wheel my truck now" some people need to go to school and work but thats one of thos things i mentioned above about how you dont take into acount what situations other people are in before you go blurting out your opinion. and im sure there is someone reading this that agrees with me

You fought a good fight in this thread man, I'm glad you have stood up for yourself and your opinions. And yes there are alot of people on this forum that don't take other peoples situations into account before telling them what to do.

[GreaseDog]

wow i just read your post and im a bit offended, i didnt "have to wheel my truck now" some people need to go to school and work but thats one of thos things i mentioned above about how you dont take into acount what situations other people are in before you go blurting out your opinion. and im sure there is someone reading this that agrees with me
you have no patience, you want everything, and you want it now. want proof?
i know your thinking why not put a stock open Carrier in and my answer is because thats what ill be stuck with forever if i do that. I'm not going to sacrifice having a locker and never go off road again because you feel that i have no business doing so.
the reason for him wanting me to get a lcoker again is because were i park my brothers truck prety much gets stuck because of its one wheel peel problem and he understands that the one wheel bandit sucks.


if you "have to go to school and work" and dont want to drop the coin on the parts that are strong enough to handle your truck, why did you drop $600 on a locker? after all, an open diff will do that just fine. your ego is the reason you bought a locker, even though the money would've been better spent on stronger parts.

lets face facts here. you're young, and think you know it all, and have absolutely no concept of the value of a dollar. you wanted the locker to make your friends think you're cool.

anyone who actually was in dire need of a way to get their truck up and running now wouldve bought a used carrier and gear set, installed it, and been on their way. now its not 4.56, and its not locked, but it is mobile, and will get you from A to B, so you can find a job, make some money, and invest it on parts that will last.

funny, my logical solution didnt involve a $600 locker, did it?

[98GreenMachine]

lets face facts here. you're young, and think you know it all

Thats funny, I was thinking the same thing about you :whatever:

Its funny how every thread you post in you end up turning it against the original poster if they don't agree with you. You don't need to be right in every thread. State your opinions and experiences and if people don't agree with it, move along. Your attitude on this forum is getting old...very old. You post in threads and end up turning them into brawls after awhile because, oh yeah, your ALWAYS right.

Get off your high horse man :read:

[Chevy1500z71]

you have no patience, you want everything, and you want it now. want proof?




if you "have to go to school and work" and dont want to drop the coin on the parts that are strong enough to handle your truck, why did you drop $600 on a locker? after all, an open diff will do that just fine. your ego is the reason you bought a locker, even though the money would've been better spent on stronger parts.

lets face facts here. you're young, and think you know it all, and have absolutely no concept of the value of a dollar. you wanted the locker to make your friends think you're cool.

anyone who actually was in dire need of a way to get their truck up and running now wouldve bought a used carrier and gear set, installed it, and been on their way. now its not 4.56, and its not locked, but it is mobile, and will get you from A to B, so you can find a job, make some money, and invest it on parts that will last.

funny, my logical solution didnt involve a $600 locker, did it?

funy how not only do you know everything about my truck but also about my life and my friends. my freinds drive rangers/ old ass crapy fords and half of them dont even know what a lokcer is or could care less if i had one if i wanted to show off to my friends id put 10 subs under the back seat or something shiney or something stupid like that not a locker that the average guy around here dosent even know what it does. YOUR logical solution isnt nescisarily the most logical for ME. logical thinkin in my mind is doing it right the first time and not puting my 10 bolt back together with turd junkyard parts that i will ahve to replace in another 2 months, with the detroit i know i wont have to touch it for a LONG time and i dont care if you think it will break, i know it wont becasue i know how to handle it and keep it from breaking. it wouldnt make sense to spens 200$ on a stock gov bomb and end up paying more for shiping than the carrier itself and then having it blow up from making a u turn. dont tell me i dont have the value for a doller becasue u have no idea, i work for every gallon of gas that goes into that truck and i drained my bank acount for that rearend and know the value of a doller... once again blurt out your opinion before you realy know whats going on. and im sure you will still come back for more and i dont get why. your starting to become 91 bowtie, i asked you very nicely to lay off and you continue to bash me ill ask you again nicely please just relax becasue you cant realy tell whats best for someone when you dont know them.

[Chevy1500z71]

[QUOTE=GreaseDog]
lets face facts here. you're young, and think you know it all, QUOTE]

if i knew it all then why would i be asking stupid questions about things that i dont know on this forum? i joined this forum to learn because i dont know it all not to get bashed

[Chevy1500z71]

jeeze between this thread and the other 91_bowtie is on it seems i just come on here to batle it out defending myself lol. no hard feeling lets just stop it right here

[GreaseDog]

if i knew it all then why would i be asking stupid questions about things that i dont know on this forum? i joined this forum to learn because i dont know it all not to get bashedif you DIDNT think you knew everything, why did you completely ignore any and all logical input? furthermore, why did you even create the post, you knew what you were going to do anyways.

i'm on no high horse, i can understand when its financially impossible to make a necessary upgrade to your truck, and you just need to get it back on the road. what i dont understand is when you're in that situation, and you spend $600 on a locker.

you say i dont know anything about you or your truck? i know you've been driving for less than 2 years, you're driving a truck with a supercharger and 35" tires. those are 3 major factors in the life of a rear axle, and they're not in your favor.

[91chevZ71]

what i dont understand is when you're in that situation, and you spend $600 on a locker.

that's the only thing I don't get either. no big deal, though

is that rig on the road again or what? you figure out the running rich deal? not try to be smart azz, either

[Chevy1500z71]

ok honestly did you guys read thru my entire post? i know they are long but it will all make sens. ill say it again. a 14 bolt wil cost WAY more than a 500$ locker. i needed a carrier and the detriot is a full locker so it takes care of it all for one price of 600$ then im done. the reason i went detroit is becasue im not going to throw some pos gov bomb junkyard ebay special in that im going to end up paying more for shiping than the carrier, then have it blow up making a u-turn. with the detrioit as rediculus as it may sound to you guys i know i wont need to be touching it for a long time so logicaly thinking at the time was i needed it done asap i needed a carrier and the dtroit was a full locker and i didnt want to go back in there when i get the extra money i wanted it donw once and for all. so instead of paying 500$ for a 14bolt then 100 for shiping, then 200 for gears, then 150 for a rebuild kit, then im screwed outa the 150 i payed for the 10 bolt rebuild kit, then i think there was something that you have to do with the u joint, not sure baout that. itr was alot cheaper and quicker to spend 600$ and thats it, done with one part. if you ask me thats what made sense and was logical. it would have been rediculus to wait a month for a 14 bolt to be shipedout from eaby from who knows were(cant get em localy) idk im not realy thinkign strait right now so maybe i missed somehting but you can see why it was a much more logical choice to slap it back together with parts i know wont be breaking anytime soon.

i figured out the rich deal a long time ago. turned out to be the coolent temp sensor throwing it over the top, the rest which it still is a tad rich is from a header leek from a ovaled out colector. so it solved the way to rich problem but still ahd a hard start so i got a new iac and it made it beter but not 100% so then i got a tps on and adjusted the iac and its beter than it was when i got the truck. so new headers (longtubes this time)are soon to come then im gona try and get into some data loging and custom tuning becasue it seems like the more logical choice to tune myself than spend 600$ on a single dyno tune that will get caned as soon as something liek a cam or.. a 383(i wish) but you get what im saying theres gona come a time when that 600$ tune will get thrown out so i need to learn to tune myself... so i know you do your own tuning and ill be asking you some questions as soon as i start to think of them.

[Chevy1500z71]

o if your wondering why id dint go with a cheeper carrier liek the true trac for 400$... well ill be honest probly should have but reguardless the reason i did it is becasue i want have the 10 bolt done to the point were i dont have to touch it again and that wouldnt be the case if i threw some junkyard turd in and just got around to doing it right later, tha dosent sound logical to me

[Chevy1500z71]

the reason you guys dont get it is becasue its hard to explain yourself thru posting crap on the internet if you were to talk to me for a conversation in person you would get it instantly its just hard to explain yourself like this.

[Blue71]

Ok, so now you have the new locker, you still can beef that 10 bolt up even more, with a pair of GM C- clip axles from Strange Engineering.

Need even more Beef.
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii254/93BlueZ71/100_1550636x480.jpg
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii254/93BlueZ71/100_1551640x483.jpg

[morgsie]

Wow, I ran across this thread while googling 8.5" information for my Caprice. This thread should just be deleted. The time Chevy1500z71 has spent writing long-ass illogical posts defending his idiocy, he could have got a job and bought a 14b. If you're paying a grand for a 14b, you're paying half a grand TOO MUCH. Even I think $500 is steep.

Summary:
Chevy1500z71, you're wasting your time and money. You're 600 dollar locker will explode due to the fact that you lack knowledge to properly setup a diff.

Get a 14b and while you're at it see if you can get a brain too.

[93blackchevy]

:FSCrules: :LOL: :FSCrules:

[98GreenMachine]

Wow, I ran across this thread while googling 8.5" information for my Caprice. This thread should just be deleted. The time Chevy1500z71 has spent writing long-ass illogical posts defending his idiocy, he could have got a job and bought a 14b. If you're paying a grand for a 14b, you're paying half a grand TOO MUCH. Even I think $500 is steep.

Summary:
Chevy1500z71, you're wasting your time and money. You're 600 dollar locker will explode due to the fact that you lack knowledge to properly setup a diff.

Get a 14b and while you're at it see if you can get a brain too.

:deadhorse

[Chevy1500z71]

Wow, I ran across this thread while googling 8.5" information for my Caprice. This thread should just be deleted. The time Chevy1500z71 has spent writing long-ass illogical posts defending his idiocy, he could have got a job and bought a 14b. If you're paying a grand for a 14b, you're paying half a grand TOO MUCH. Even I think $500 is steep.

Summary:
Chevy1500z71, you're wasting your time and money. You're 600 dollar locker will explode due to the fact that you lack knowledge to properly setup a diff.

Get a 14b and while you're at it see if you can get a brain too.

haha some idiot from canada is gona come in like he knows something about me and my personal money situation and job an all and tell me what i need to do? your a joke. dude you have 18 posts and your already making enimies? comeon dont even bother coming on the forum if you dont have something nice to say people like you should be banned.

did you realy need to dig up an old thread for that lovely responce? i love how everybody thinks they know how much it will cost me when they dont even know me, things vary when you have to ship things on ebay and dont have any junkyards, ect. i shoudlnt even waiste my time typing back to that reply of yours

[Chevy1500z71]

You're 600 dollar locker will explode.

and im the one who lacks knowlage? lol some of you guys crack me up, 18 posts and hes already thinking he knows everything and onwnes the forums... you remind me of someone else on this forum.. lol

[GreaseDog]

ah to be 17 and know it all again. :whyme:

[Chevy1500z71]

you guys crack me up. greasdog you totaly got the wrong idea, you never realy just GOT IT you just think its my ego/im 17, you dont take time to consider anything else... whatever

[1BadZ71Tahoe]

you guys crack me up. greasdog you totaly got the wrong idea, you never realy just GOT IT you just think its my ego/im 17, you dont take time to consider anything else... whatever

You have what you want. You showed off what you want and didn't listen to a single person. Your just being an :whore:, that's the only reason you have so many posts. Your posts are all useless trash.

The post started as C-Clip eliminators, and turned to a personal bitch post for you.

Just leave.

- B

[Chevy1500z71]

dont ask me to leave my thread, if you dont have something good to say than leave my thread, and you call my posts useless trash? im sick of this stuff i didn't even start anything and I'm being bashed for nothing? people like you make this forum unenjoyable

[Chevy1500z71]

haha i just realized all the guys in canada and alaska just show up outa nowere to bash me? whats the point, i dont get it?

[GreaseDog]

dont ask me to leave my thread, if you dont have something good to say than leave my thread, and you call my posts useless trash? im sick of this stuff i didn't even start anything and I'm being bashed for nothing? people like you make this forum unenjoyable
uhm, so leave?

[Chevy1500z71]

nah, theres still a few people on here that i like and have good info (not that your not full of great info your just to harsh on giving your info and come off like a d!ck sometimes, no offense) like 91chevz71 or tbi-max, theres plenty of others but its guys like you that make me think about leaving the forum, i stay because it is a good forum that provides good information and like i said the few members who are good guys that dont bash every chance they get...

i just dont get why you guys cant let the thread die, the 2 guys from Alaska and Canada came in and revived this old thread for one reason, to bash me, thats it. so you gota be able to see were im coming from but maybe not, i dont really care just let the thread die this time. and greasedog you gota stop judging people like you know them it really makes you come off like a douchebag even tho im sure your not in real life... but maybe you are lol

[GreaseDog]

you know what makes it worse?


you keep kicking this thread back to the top yourself. if you let it drop, it may just disappear again. :read: