2wd or 4wd

[hawaiichevyman]

Ok, I really need some help. As you all know Hawaii's prices for trucks are on the high side. I priced a '03 2500 HD 4wd and a 2wd and S--- the price was a whole lot different.

So I was thinking about getting a '03 2wdHD and converting to a SFA.

Would it cost more to convert to a SFA or just buy a 4wd and lift from there?:confused:

[The_Law]

Starting with a 2wd would be cheaper in the end.

[y2kboti]

The HDs come with a pretty solid T-case. To buy a 2wd, then a T-case plus the linkage would not be cost effective. Remember 2wd HDs now use torsion bars so the only difference is a front diff and T-case. You could probably get some money from the 9.25" front diff and CVs. Again be prepared to spend atleast 10k just in suspension for a SFA.

[HENRY]

If your goal is to wheel hard with tires over say 36-37 inches, then consider a SFA swap.

If youll just be doing occasional wheelin, id stick with a stock 4x4 with IFS. A 2500HD is no slouch, and youll still have money to replace the occasional broken CV shaft :)

Now if your just considering a show truck, you can throw everything i just said out the window.

['032500hd]

check out http://www.salemkroger.com they quoted me a price of $9k to go from 2500hd 2wd to 4x4 with a solid axle.....i cant decide to sell the truck or do the conversion:mad:

[westcoast]

what do you want to do withit wheel hard? show? daily drive? etc?

[95gmcd6014]

Unlike what people like y2kboti say you will not spend 10,000 in just suspension, probably not even on the whole thing. Id really like to hear where you are getting 10,000 in just suspension. What size tires do you want to run? Is this going to be something your really going to tear up or mostly a daily driver?

[Scooter]

Originally posted by y2kboti
The HDs come with a pretty solid T-case. To buy a 2wd, then a T-case plus the linkage would not be cost effective. Remember 2wd HDs now use torsion bars so the only difference is a front diff and T-case. You could probably get some money from the 9.25" front diff and CVs. Again be prepared to spend atleast 10k just in suspension for a SFA.


give me 10k to do a SFA and a truck :D :D :D i'd only need about half of that or less.. its :deadhorse but it can and will be done so skinner back and get it sideways :burn:

lata scooter

[y2kboti]

Gentlemen its been proven time and time again that a SFA swap is easily $10k minimum when done properly and no shortcuts are taken :read:

If a SFA swap was more affordable don't you think more people would do it!? I think that right there is a very good indication of the cost involved.

Talk about :deadhorse

[Scooter]

visit www.pirate4x4.com were the sfa is common thing and ppl have actually done a sas..

[y2kboti]

What happened to

Originally posted by Scooter
..not even worth the time.. just wait and see

:LOL: Thanks for the link to the Pirate forum but I'm well aware of what is involved and the cost for the conversion.

On another note why are you considering selling hawaii?

[Scooter]

then why not do one.. or lets both do one with the same truck and the same amount of cash and then compare..

lata scooter

[redneck]

As bad as this is going to sound, why don't you buy a new Ford or Dodge already with a SFA.

Jeff

[The_Law]

redneck has a very good point.
On boti's side: a SFA can cost more than $10,000 if you choose to. This is generally if you buy all parts from a manufacturer and pay someone to install it. Things like Dynatrac axles, ORU crossover steering, ORU brackets, National springs, etc.

On 95gmc and Scooter's side: SFA's can be very inexpensive if you do your own fabrication. I have seen and have pictures of a Z-71 SFA on 44 Boggers that was done for probably $1,000 besides the tires. What the guy did was buy a K5 and rip everything he wanted off of it and used that. the only thing I remember him having to buy was a pitman arm.

If you can fabricate and have a good way to allocate parts, you can get it done for less than an IFS lift. If you want to drive the truck in a shop and use all new parts, your wallet will be hit hard, but the project would be less time-consuming.

SFA's are a growing thing. I believe we will see more and more as the months go by, with the general market discovering them.

Then again, you might be best off buying a Superduty...

[95gmcd6014]

Originally posted by y2kboti
Gentlemen its been proven time and time again that a SFA swap is easily $10k minimum when done properly and no shortcuts are taken :read:

If a SFA swap was more affordable don't you think more people would do it!? I think that right there is a very good indication of the cost involved.

Talk about :deadhorse

I'll ask it for the third time. Where does 10k just in suspension (like you said) come from? I did mine for 8500 for everything. thats below your 10k MINIMUM. Id like some constructive criticism on what I didnt do properly or where I took shortcuts. I know an SFA swap can easily cost more than 10,000 but it can even more easily be less. There are so many options and factors when doing an SFA its hard to put a price tag on it. All depends on what you want and how you go about getting it.
The reasons people dont do SFA more often is 1) it is not a very practical option for most 2) They dont want to rip into there new 30k truck 3) It doesnt all come in a nice box with a brand name stamped on it that you can get from 4wheelparts. If people did more research and were more informed they could do it for a lot cheaper. If I would have known what I do now I could have shed quite a bit off my swap. people always compare an SFA swap to an IFS lift and its not that great of a comparison. A good comparison would be a truck similar to mine compared to a 1/2 ton IFS truck that has a 10" IFS lift with a rebuilt 1 ton front end with new steering, bearings etc.. a rebuilt 1 ton rearend, new springs in the rear, regeared, new tires and wheels,etc... Now wouldnt you spend 8500 for all that?

[Aquaman]

Originally posted by 95gmcd6014


I'll ask it for the third time. Where does 10k just in suspension (like you said) come from? I did mine for 8500 for everything. thats below your 10k MINIMUM. Id like some constructive criticism on what I didnt do properly or where I took shortcuts. I know an SFA swap can easily cost more than 10,000 but it can even more easily be less. There are so many options and factors when doing an SFA its hard to put a price tag on it. All depends on what you want and how you go about getting it.
The reasons people dont do SFA more often is 1) it is not a very practical option for most 2) They dont want to rip into there new 30k truck 3) It doesnt all come in a nice box with a brand name stamped on it that you can get from 4wheelparts. If people did more research and were more informed they could do it for a lot cheaper. If I would have known what I do now I could have shed quite a bit off my swap. people always compare an SFA swap to an IFS lift and its not that great of a comparison. A good comparison would be a truck similar to mine compared to a 1/2 ton IFS truck that has a 10" IFS lift with a rebuilt 1 ton front end with new steering, bearings etc.. a rebuilt 1 ton rearend, new springs in the rear, regeared, new tires and wheels,etc... Now wouldnt you spend 8500 for all that? Hooah!:read:

[hawaiichevyman]

Well I need more room in the cab, for one and if I had known earlier I would have waited until the crew cabs came out before buying a 2000.

[HENRY]

Originally posted by 95gmcd6014


I did mine for 8500 for everything.

Doh! No thanks.

I think there is a point of diminishing returns.

How do you even compare?
What have i been in, or anyone else here, that i needed a SFA?

Nothing yet!

If i were competing in some Top Truck Challenge then maybe, but for everyday driving, and even occasional heavy wheelin, im just fine with IFS.

Luckily, i dont want nor need 44's on my truck :D

So, in the end, i dont think many people NEED an SFA, its purely a matter of taste and what your willing to spend.

Of course youve also got the "better ride" arguments for IFS also.

[westcoast]

Well also depending 0n what you get on your IFS you can spend 10k as well. Its all a matter of what you want, how you want it, how you will use it. In the end its your money or whoever Take the info from here or whereever you get info from and spend your money as you see fit.:)

[Aquaman]

Originally posted by HENRY

What have i been in, or anyone else here, that i needed a SFA?
I have, 95gmcd6014ff has, my uncle has, most that family has, anybody who does competitions, or considers themself to be "hardcore" needs it. But if it is just a daily driver that is occasionally taken into some light stuff, then no need for SFA. But most people who need the SFA, won't buy such a new vehicle.

[y2kboti]

Originally posted by 95gmcd6014
Where does 10k just in suspension (like you said) come from?The reasons people dont do SFA more often is 1) it is not a very practical option for most 2) They dont want to rip into there new 30k truck 3) It doesnt all come in a nice box with a brand name stamped on it that you can get from 4wheelparts.

1)Very true
2)So what exactly happens why you install an IFS lift :think: Same difference
3)Brand name and 4WP have nothing to do with it so what are you getting at

Total cost for the ORU SFA Burb was $17k. Granted they swapped in a NV263 T-case but we both know a T-case doesn't cost $8k. Take out the Kings shocks $1000, remove the ram steering assist $1000, etc you still won't get under $10k. I have priced it out and I know what it costs. Some may say that ORU is to expensive, thats fine take 20% off that price tag and your still not under $10k. I would love to give you the break down part by part but I no longer have a copy of it. Call Fabritech, their kits are even more than ORU in some cases.

95gmcd6014 I really don't want to continue arguing about it. While you may like a SFA(and I have nothing against them) you will never convince me they are superior to IFS or cheaper. Each suspension has it advantages and disadvantages and to each his own. It would be a shame to argue about this and then not talk to each other at the meet due to a conversation we had over the net.

[westcoast]

:cheer: guys

[y2kboti]

Originally posted by westcoastz71
:cheer: guys

wOrd! Now we just gotta work on getting you to show up!

[westcoast]

They way mine and daves schedule is going I might not even be ready for that.:( If I can go

[95gmcd6014]

Originally posted by HENRY


Doh! No thanks.

I think there is a point of diminishing returns.

How do you even compare?
What have i been in, or anyone else here, that i needed a SFA?

Nothing yet!

If i were competing in some Top Truck Challenge then maybe, but for everyday driving, and even occasional heavy wheelin, im just fine with IFS.

Luckily, i dont want nor need 44's on my truck :D

So, in the end, i dont think many people NEED an SFA, its purely a matter of taste and what your willing to spend.

Of course youve also got the "better ride" arguments for IFS also.

Sorry but did you even read my entire post? read the comparison at the bottom and I dont think you will say DOoh! No thanks. I think you missed the point at what my truck is equipped with and why 8500 is a good price IMO.Im not trying to do an IFS vs. SFA debate either if thats what you were getting at. You dont really have that great of a point. Of course nobody needs an SFA, thats easy to see. But go ahead and put 40's on your 1/2 ton IFS truck and wheel it hard constantly and see what happens, thats the point. I have stressesd its not a good option for many. you can get a good ride out of sfa just costs more.

[Aquaman]

I dont' like the word "hard core", because it sounds ****y, but if you really want a "hard core" play truck, then SFA is what you need. IFS just isn't as strong, doesn't have as good of flex as MOST SFA's, etc.

If you want a truck that will do some LIGHT 4-wheeling, or you just want to keep the smaller size tires, then go ahead and keep the IFS. I can't say that I could justify putting SFA on a new truck. But I do think that somebody who actually did the swap would know more about it, than anybody who didn't... like myself for instance.

I don't get why you'd HAVE to buy any of the brackets at all from a company, nor the steering. Almost everything can be fabricated. Make your own brackets, and steering, and you just saved $1700. Making your own isn't cutting a corner. Buying them is.

Now nobody needs to get all defensive here, because I am not bashing anybody. But BUYing seems to be more of a "corner cut" than FABing would be.

[95gmcd6014]

Originally posted by y2kboti


1)Very true
2)So what exactly happens why you install an IFS lift :think: Same difference
3)Brand name and 4WP have nothing to do with it so what are you getting at

Total cost for the ORU SFA Burb was $17k. Granted they swapped in a NV263 T-case but we both know a T-case doesn't cost $8k. Take out the Kings shocks $1000, remove the ram steering assist $1000, etc you still won't get under $10k. I have priced it out and I know what it costs. Some may say that ORU is to expensive, thats fine take 20% off that price tag and your still not under $10k. I would love to give you the break down part by part but I no longer have a copy of it. Call Fabritech, their kits are even more than ORU in some cases.

95gmcd6014 I really don't want to continue arguing about it. While you may like a SFA(and I have nothing against them) you will never convince me they are superior to IFS or cheaper. Each suspension has it advantages and disadvantages and to each his own. It would be a shame to argue about this and then not talk to each other at the meet due to a conversation we had over the net.

Hey I like these debates, they are harmless. Seems like you always avoid my points though. Internet BS like this doesnt mean much either. So its all good:cheer: I look forward to wheelin with you guys. Plus i like SFA and IFS, this argument isnt even about which is better.
But back to the debate. Ok boti all i would like is to have some of my valid questions answered since it seems i never get a straight answer:D
1) ok we agree on that
2)its different
3) That was a sarcastic answer meaning that people dont do SFA as much because it all doesnt come in a nice complete package like a lift kit would.
heres this question again that id like to know what you think or anyone else:
I did mine for 8500 for everything. thats below your 10k MINIMUM. Id like some constructive criticism on what I didnt do properly or where I took shortcuts?

You said that it is proven over and over that it is a 10K minimum and all i see is the ORU burb. what about my truck and people like dirtysouth. And all those other people who have done it for less than 10k. I dont see my truck as really a "hack job" or anything. maybe beat up some but not booty fab or anything. If you have priced it out and know how much it cost, please just take 5 minutes and write down where the 10k plus prices are coming cause you still havent really clearly stated. And you said 10K in "just suspension", still havent answered that either.

post this again to get my point across:
"I know an SFA swap can easily cost more than 10,000 but it can even more easily be less. There are so many options and factors when doing an SFA its hard to put a price tag on it. All depends on what you want and how you go about getting it and doing it."
:cheer: :cheer:

[Aquaman]

Originally posted by hawaiichevyman
Ok, I really need some help. As you all know Hawaii's prices for trucks are on the high side. I priced a '03 2500 HD 4wd and a 2wd and S--- the price was a whole lot different.

So I was thinking about getting a '03 2wdHD and converting to a SFA.

Would it cost more to convert to a SFA or just buy a 4wd and lift from there?:confused: Here is what you need to do. Find out the price of a 4wd with the lift that you want, the gears that you want, the tires that you want, etc

Than look at the price of a 2wd w/ SFA (8-lug d44 or d60), with everything you would want on it.



anohter question is "Do you do your own work?", and "Can you fab your own brackets?" Because if you can fab things, it'll knock a TON off of the cost.

[y2kboti]

Sounds good. I really don't pay close attention to the SFA rigs here. I'll be more than happy to look it over at the meet and vica versa. I can tell you what I would do and what I consider the proper setup, yes it would be more than $10k. On another note some people do have contact as far as parts and may be able to either custom fab their own mounts. That is one way of bringing the cost down but for the average Joe thats not likely. I will try to find the list I had with the exact breakdown, I'd be more than happy to post it for everyone. Sorry if you feel I am "avoiding" your questions but thats not the case. When I find the list I will be more than happy to post it.

[95gmcd6014]

alright sounds good:cheer:
I just would like to know what you consider cutting corners or non-proper so i can tell you if my truck might have any of that. So i can prove you wrong that it doesnt cost 10k plus to do it the "right" way.:D

[Aquaman]

Dream SFA and proper SFA are two different things.

Proper SFA just means that you have strong enough axles for your tires, the right gearing for the tires, good steering, etc

Dream SFA would be like np205/np203 doubler, d70's front and rear, CV Drivelines, 4-link w/ Panhard, coilovers all around, 44" TSL front, 44" Bogger rear, 5.38 Gears, ARB Lockers, Warn Hubs, Crossover steering, AGR steering box, Hydro assist, etc

[y2kboti]

Originally posted by Aquaman
Dream SFA and proper SFA are two different things.

What are you talking about? I never said anything about "dream SFA". Also how is buying brackets that havd been through R&D cutting corners :bull: Its all good doesn't really matter either way.

[96chevysfa]

Originally posted by y2kboti



Total cost for the ORU SFA Burb was $17k. Granted they swapped in a NV263 T-case but we both know a T-case doesn't cost $8k. Take out the Kings shocks $1000, remove the ram steering assist $1000, etc you still won't get under $10k. I have priced it out and I know what it costs. Some may say that ORU is to expensive, thats fine take 20% off that price tag and your still not under $10k. I would love to give you the break down part by part but I no longer have a copy of it. Call Fabritech, their kits are even more than ORU in some cases.


the 5000 dollar front axle they put in doesnt help much on the prioce either :tongue:

all i got to say, if you dont do it right the first time, you will spend alot more money after.

[HENRY]

Originally posted by 95gmcd6014


Sorry but did you even read my entire post? read the comparison at the bottom and I dont think you will say DOoh! No thanks. I think you missed the point at what my truck is equipped with and why 8500 is a good price IMO.Im not trying to do an IFS vs. SFA debate either if thats what you were getting at. You dont really have that great of a point. Of course nobody needs an SFA, thats easy to see. But go ahead and put 40's on your 1/2 ton IFS truck and wheel it hard constantly and see what happens, thats the point. I have stressesd its not a good option for many. you can get a good ride out of sfa just costs more.

Yes I did, and it doesnt matter. What if i could get my interior plated in gold for $8500 along with everything you mentioned?

Its still too much money. As I said, its what your WILLING to spend and if you want to spend $8500 then fine, its just not worth it for me and many others.

Many people will never use the extra strength that some of those parts provide.

40's, 44's, I thought you knew what i meant. Not too many people are foolish enough to run 40's on IFS and dont need it either.

Im fine running 35's on my IFS and many have done well up to 38's even.

Price Price Price is all im saying. Its just not worth it to me thats all.

I spent less than $4k (with tires) for my lift. Would i be able to wheel $4500 dollars harderif i opted for a SFA swap? :D

Would i have $4500 worth of stronger components if i did?

IF i do break something on my IFS, will i ever spend, or exceed $4500 in repairs thereby making an SFA swap a better choice?

PS-You dont need 40's, or even SFA's to "wheel hard".
Cmon, 99% of us dont rock crawl! Most of our wheelin is in mud, dirt, etc. Now, if you want me to follow you through some 44's only type ruts then you got me there, but i aint about to pay $4500 just to be able to do that :)

[Aquaman]

Originally posted by y2kboti


What are you talking about? I never said anything about "dream SFA". Also how is buying brackets that havd been through R&D cutting corners :bull: Its all good doesn't really matter either way. You missed what I was saying.

Why don't you tell us exactly what the "Proper" set-up would be in Your eyes. I have priced how much it would cost to get d60, 14ff, 4.88 gears, coilovers, 4-link w/ Panhard, lockers, 39.5 TSL, 16.5x12, Cognito Rear lift, crossover steering... all at around $9000

It would be a lot more if I didn't do my own work, and used Dynatrac axles, ORU components, and changed out the Tcase.

I just would like to know what is a proper set up to?

[Aquaman]

And about cutting corners...

Buying something that can easily be fab'd up is cutting a corner in my eyes. And if you want to start throwing around the :bull: smiley... 10k minimum is :bull: . You can buy a donor rig for $200 sometimes, and can use the axles, and the leaf springs, and the t-case. You can use the brackets that are already on the donor rig, and fab up most of the steering.

Would cost you probably $1000 total. That is still an SAS.

[Scooter]

well getter done boys.. Waterboy simmer down i bealive u ..

lata sccoter

[Aquaman]

Don't worry Scoot. We are definately simmer'd. We are just debating, there is no bad blood. :cool:

[Scooter]

thats cool.. i have just give up man.. i dont even want to go threw the SFA crap anymore. i know what i can do and such i have proubly the second most straight axel and drive train parts laying around next to 407 " heavychevy" ... but IM me man and well finish this convo..

lata scooter

[DirtySouthZ71]

Originally posted by Scooter
thats cool.. i have just give up man.. i dont even want to go threw the SFA crap anymore. i know what i can do and such i have proubly the second most straight axel and drive train parts laying around next to 407 " heavychevy" ... but IM me man and well finish this convo..

lata scooter

Wouldn't happen to have a Chevy D60 would you?? I am coming to Lexington N.C. next weekend to visit some friends and sell some parts.

[Scooter]

yea i have a dana 60 passenger side drop.. it would have to be a good price to let it go cause it came from under the yoter and is suposed to go back in whenever it gets powdercoated

[95gmcd6014]

Originally posted by HENRY



Yes I did, and it doesnt matter. What if i could get my interior plated in gold for $8500 along with everything you mentioned?
Its still too much money. As I said, its what your WILLING to spend and if you want to spend $8500 then fine, its just not worth it for me and many others.

Ok for the plated in gold thing your getting nowhere. And like IVE said many times before it is not worth it or practical for many people. that what i mean when i say you didnt read my post because i stressed that. Your too much money argument is pretty mute, compare what I have to yours. Go buy yourself some bigger tires, a rebuilt 1 ton rear end, a rebuilt 1 ton IFS, lift your truck another 6", and get it regeared...then compare how much we spent on each of our trucks and it will be a fairer comparison. You cant tell me all that stuff wouldnt be worth another 4500.I dont see how you can say Ispent too much money for what I have. It might be too much money for you in a practical sense but you dont have much room to talk when your sitting on a 6" bolt on lift with some 35"s and stock running gear compared to what I have on my truck.

Originally posted by HENRY

Many people will never use the extra strength that some of those parts provide. 40's, 44's, I thought you knew what i meant. Not too many people are foolish enough to run 40's on IFS and dont need it either.Im fine running 35's on my IFS and many have done well up to 38's even.
Price Price Price is all im saying. Its just not worth it to me thats all.

Under many conditions you will use the extra strength. ONCE AGAIN I know its not worth it to many people and thats why ive said it so many times, thats why this debate isnt even about that.

Originally posted by HENRY

I spent less than $4k (with tires) for my lift. Would i be able to wheel $4500 dollars harderif i opted for a SFA swap? :D
Would i have $4500 worth of stronger components if i did?
IF i do break something on my IFS, will i ever spend, or exceed $4500 in repairs thereby making an SFA swap a better choice?

4500 could get you some rebuilt and regeared 1 ton running gear along with 40"+ tires, and yes that would allow you to "wheel harder" and yes you would have much stronger components. Those are the exact kinds of questions people need ask and if they answer yes then SFA swap might be a good choice. would i recommend an SFA to someone like you who just wants to run some 35"s and is mostly a DD, Not at all.

Originally posted by HENRY

PS-You dont need 40's, or even SFA's to "wheel hard".
Cmon, 99% of us dont rock crawl! Most of our wheelin is in mud, dirt, etc. Now, if you want me to follow you through some 44's only type ruts then you got me there, but i aint about to pay $4500 just to be able to do that :)

see you missed the point once again, OF COURSE you dont NEED it to wheel hard and ill say it again its NOT a practical option for many. But for some of us it is.

oh and......:cheer: :D

[fwtrchevy]

So for those who HAVE done an SFA, post the prices to complete the project...Maybe it will help explain some things?

[DirtySouthZ71]

Originally posted by fwtrchevy
So for those who HAVE done an SFA, post the prices to complete the project...Maybe it will help explain some things?

I would have to say around 8500 on my swap. 2800 was just in tires and wheels. Oh yeah and the 80 bucks I spent today for the materials to make my rear ladder bars.

As for completing the project I dont think I ever will I always find something to make it perform better but what 4x4 isn't a never ending project?

Fwtrchevy: Did you get my PM about the Panhard bar?

[fwtrchevy]

clean out your mailbox....As far as the panhard goes, its basically just a link that holds the axle from any side to side (lateral) movement, you need it to run parallel to the drag link(very important), you can use whatever kind of ends you want(jonny joints, heims, bushings) I prefer heims. I use 1.25 Dom tubing and tap the ends out and use 3/4 heims. The brackets should be strong, as there is alot of force put on the panhard when flexing suspension. The frame on an ifs rig is already strengthened where you will be mounting the braket on driver side. Since you have the oru kit you can attach the other end(passenger side) to the ubolt plate...Once again be sure to make it as close to the same length of draglink as possible. you want the panhard the cycle the same as the draglink...This will eliminate any bumpsteer, and will improve the handling alot....Let me know your email and I can send you some pics of one that I just did

[02HDCarolina]

There's only one way to make a truck, and thats with 4x4!!! :head: Anything else can just go in the bed of my truck;)

[slamchops]

OR, you could always just get an older model truck with a SFA and lift it, tires/wheels, gears, lockers, and some engine mods for the same price you spend on swapping your brand new truck over to SFA. and then you wont tear up your new truck. i know i'm 10x happier that i bought my blazer (seeing as i bought it with everything is has now (cept the KC's) for $2900, and just to make sure it ran strong, i drove it all the way back from Bloomsburg, PA to here in Mobile, AL. I've damaged my '99 wheelin a few times, and it's scratched all over (luckily they're surface scratches mostly), and i finally got tired of damaging a 'brand new' truck i'm still paying for. so the Z71 will get lift, and tires, and winch and all at some point, but it's not going to be my off-road rig very often.

['032500hd]

the funny thing about all this is the person i spoke with regarding a conversion from 2x to 4x4 quoted me the same price for IFS or SFA i think i will go with the SFA if the cost is the same. Its still a lot of $$$$..but i dont think i can part with my truck:D

[Aquaman]

Originally posted by Scooter
yea i have a dana 60 passenger side drop.. it would have to be a good price to let it go cause it came from under the yoter and is suposed to go back in whenever it gets powdercoated How much do you want? :devil:

[DirtySouthZ71]

Originally posted by Aquaman
How much do you want? :devil:

I got dibs waterboy!:D :D

[Scooter]

i dont know man... kinda a tuffy its kinda like well if i sell it i will jsut have to buy another and have gears done and get it powdercoated as welll. or if i keep this one all i have to do is get it powdwer coated.. but make me a offer not saying i will except it but i might as well just will have to think about it.. but if u do need one i can find u one.. i have a dana 44 and more ten bolts than i have fingers..

lata scooter

[DirtySouthZ71]

Originally posted by Scooter
.. i have a dana 44 and more ten bolts than i have fingers..

lata scooter

Im the same way! It would probably be better off to keep looking down around here I dont need one but want one.

[HENRY]

Originally posted by 95gmcd6014


I dont see how you can say Ispent too much money for what I have. It might be too much money for you
oh and......:cheer: :D

Hello!! I never said YOU spent too much money, and YES, i DID say it was too much money for ME.

I know those parts are worth every penny paid for them, im not doubting that.

I think you missed my point. Im not talking competition here, im just saying that for the wheeling we trucks mostly do, there is no way a SFA can wheel $4500 harder than i can(unless you can put a price on that rut :)

For someone like you, you obviously think that an xtra $4500 is worth running larger than say 38's. Im not gonna spend an xtra $4500 just to run 39's or 40's or even 44's, what the hell for?

So i can go through this deeper hole? lol yeah right!
So i can win some friggin trophy at a show? :rolleyes:
So my $80 CV wont break? :LOL:


Now, if i were competing for big money then thats an entirely different story.

I have nothing against SFA's, just i dont think its worth it to change an IFS over to one.

In fact i hope to one day own a 72 Blazer SFA. I like SFA but im not gonna run 40's on it just cuz it can handle it.

Now if you just want to be different...i guess thats why people can spend $15,000 on a paint job :smokin:

PS- Isnt there an inherent problem with running larger tires in that you have to regear and in doing so the contact area of the gears becomes much smaller?

Im sure that has to be a concern. But then, if someone plunked down $8000-$10000 for their set up some $150 gears shouldnt really matter i guess.

[Scooter]

Originally posted by DirtySouthZ71


Im the same way! It would probably be better off to keep looking down around here I dont need one but want one.


some may disagree and frankly i dont care i am speaking from experience here.. i have ran 10 bolts in the front and they have went just fine always had more rears break than fronts.. but i can find u a 60 tommrow and get u a price and specs if u like cause i have to go and get a power steering box and a cross memeber so let me know and check your pms..

lata scooter

[95gmcd6014]

Originally posted by HENRY


Hello!! I never said YOU spent too much money, and YES, i DID say it was too much money for ME.

I know those parts are worth every penny paid for them, im not doubting that.

I think you missed my point. Im not talking competition here, im just saying that for the wheeling we trucks mostly do, there is no way a SFA can wheel $4500 harder than i can(unless you can put a price on that rut :)

For someone like you, you obviously think that an xtra $4500 is worth running larger than say 38's. Im not gonna spend an xtra $4500 just to run 39's or 40's or even 44's, what the hell for?

So i can go through this deeper hole? lol yeah right!
So i can win some friggin trophy at a show? :rolleyes:
So my $80 CV wont break? :LOL:


Now, if i were competing for big money then thats an entirely different story.

I have nothing against SFA's, just i dont think its worth it to change an IFS over to one.

In fact i hope to one day own a 72 Blazer SFA. I like SFA but im not gonna run 40's on it just cuz it can handle it.

Now if you just want to be different...i guess thats why people can spend $15,000 on a paint job :smokin:

PS- Isnt there an inherent problem with running larger tires in that you have to regear and in doing so the contact area of the gears becomes much smaller?

Im sure that has to be a concern. But then, if someone plunked down $8000-$10000 for their set up some $150 gears shouldnt really matter i guess.

We wheel and use our trucks differently, I have a use for it you dont, thats it. I wish i could wheel with you so i could show you what ive been through and love to see if you could have gone through it. Its not the point of beeing able to "wheel harder", its the point of building your truck for what your going to use it for and to handle what your going to throw at it. So if i want to run 40"s+ and wheel my truck hard I am going to have to spend more money. Sure I could skip upgrading axles (where most of the money goes) but then my 10 bolt and aluminum front diff would be in pieces. My freinds with 35"s and there 6"+3" are always getting hung up and dont want to touch some of the places I go. Theyve broke 4 cv's between the 2 of them and one has cracked his diffhousing and the other broke off a bracket on his diff and one blew his rearend and some other little bs stuff.

[HENRY]

Originally posted by 95gmcd6014


We wheel and use our trucks differently, I have a use for it you dont, thats it. I wish i could wheel with you so i could show you what ive been through and love to see if you could have gone through it. Its not the point of beeing able to "wheel harder", its the point of building your truck for what your going to use it for and to handle what your going to throw at it. So if i want to run 40"s+ and wheel my truck hard I am going to have to spend more money. Sure I could skip upgrading axles (where most of the money goes) but then my 10 bolt and aluminum front diff would be in pieces. My freinds with 35"s and there 6"+3" are always getting hung up and dont want to touch some of the places I go. Theyve broke 4 cv's between the 2 of them and one has cracked his diffhousing and the other broke off a bracket on his diff and one blew his rearend and some other little bs stuff.

I agree, If anyone wants to wheel large tires, theyre gonna have to spend more money just to do it.

[Scooter]

its all just a matter of taste and what u like as yourself.. some ppl are fine with IFS and know its limits and dont push them so the IFS is just fine for them. some of us demand more and SFA our rigs.. If we all rode around on SFA trucks and ditched IFS then there would be no market no diversity in trucks it would all be the same " tall truck, riding like a tank " i like that" rolling 40in tires and above "

lata scooter