DiabloSport authorized GP for the members of FullSizeChevy.com!!

[HP409ss]

This is a genuine DiabloSport authorized GP for the members of FullSizeChevy.com. It has also been authorized by James with www.RunninWithTheDevil.com through the Administrators of FullSizeChevy.com.

Price:
$399 for 5 or more units, FREE shipping included.

Time Period:
Start: Friday, 01/10/03 at beginning of business morning
Ends: Friday, 01/31/03 at end of business day

Rules:
You must be a member of FullSizeChevy.com, so if you are not please register now (it's FREE!). Member names will be verified. It takes only a few moments to sign up, and in doing so you will have access to post as well as multiple other board functions and benefits, so please click on "Register" above.

This GP will run for the above dates specified. Please note that as soon as any order of 5 or more is obtained, then we will start shipping the product immediately. Any order after the 5th order will also ship immediately. 5 or more orders must take place before this special price will be honored. You are not limited to just 1 Predator, so you may purchase as many as you'd like at this price. If 5 Predators are not purchased during the time period above (very unlikely), you will receive a full refund of your payment immediately at the end of the GP.

How to Purchase:
You must notify James at sales@runninwiththedevil.com with your exact FullSizeChevy.com forums member name, as well as your full name, address, and a valid contact #, and quantity of Predators you wish to purchase. Upon receiving this email James will send you a special link encoded especially for you for this purchase, where you can pay by Visa, Mastercard, Discover, American Express, or your checking account. James will also accept COD, by money order or cashiers check only, so please specify that in the email when you are ready to purchase. Please feel free to email James at the above email address if you have any questions concerning this product, or GP.

Note: If you receive an email, private message, or any form of communication from anyone inside/outside of this board *claiming* to have a GP on the Predator at a lower price, please email James immediately. A GP for less than $399 will NEVER be authorized by DiabloSport, nor by James, and could possibly be a scam.

[Luke2kZ71]

that is a nice deal... but they only knocked off $25.... seems like they could do some more?

[RunninWithTheDevil.com]

Considering the retail price of the Predator is $495, you are saving over $100 after you factor in the free shipping.

The Predator at $425 is an excellent value as it is.

Very Sincerely...

[Tungsten]

About how much more RWH will this give a 2002 GMC 5.3 with a Corsa Exhaust..?

[RunninWithTheDevil.com]

Originally posted by Tungsten
About how much more RWH will this give a 2002 GMC 5.3 with a Corsa Exhaust..?

On average you can expect between 10 and 18 rwhp, depending on the vehicle. It is not just about rwhp and rwtq either. There is much more to optimizing the performance of the vehicle, such as how the power is delivered, where you shift, how quickly and firmly you shift, etc. We also remove the Torque Management, which is nothing more than a performance inhibitor.

Lemme know if you need anything else!

Sincerely...

[Tungsten]

Thanks, so with TM gone you should be able to stomp on the gas from a stop and roast the tires right?

[JerrysZ71]

What year trucks does this programmer all work with. Will it work with my 98 Chevy 350?

[RunninWithTheDevil.com]

Originally posted by Tungsten
Thanks, so with TM gone you should be able to stomp on the gas from a stop and roast the tires right?

If your vehicle has enough power and a decent gear, depending on overall vehicle weight, sure. I don't have this problem at any throttle application in 1st or 2nd in my Lightning, but of course I do have over 500 ft/lbs of asphalt stomping rear wheel torque, too ;)

Sincerely...

[RunninWithTheDevil.com]

Originally posted by JerrysZ71
What year trucks does this programmer all work with. Will it work with my 98 Chevy 350?

It works on '99 and up V8 GM's. The application list can be found here:

http://www.runninwiththedevil.com/applicationlist.htm

I am not sure if and when DiabloSport will build the Predator for the pre-'99s, but I will keep everyone updated throughout the future.

Sincerely...

[clutchNthrottle]

:soapbox: Do I hear $375 for 15 units? :kidding: Sorry couldn't resist!:D Feel free to :slap:

I do have a legit question or 2 though. How was the Performance program, it comes loaded with, devleoped? Is is setup more for stock trucks, light mods (intake/exhaust) or the works (headers/AM sensors/torqueconverters and everything just short of a SC or NO2)? Oh, and how much more would it be for one of your custom programs? Thanks:smokin:

[Luke2kZ71]

what about gear changes? will it keep our ABS going strong? what about with 4.56 and even 4.88?

[HENRY]

Originally posted by clutchNthrottle
:soapbox: Do I hear $375 for 15 units? :kidding: Sorry couldn't resist!:D Feel free to :slap:

I do have a legit question or 2 though. How was the Performance program, it comes loaded with, devleoped? Is is setup more for stock trucks, light mods (intake/exhaust) or the works (headers/AM sensors/torqueconverters and everything just short of a SC or NO2)? Oh, and how much more would it be for one of your custom programs? Thanks:smokin:

Id like to know this as well.

Also, have the quirks been worked out? I remember a few people having some problems with the programmer??

Thanks!

[OHIO'S2500HD]

I'm not sure what happened to LAPD on the preferred vendors section but that was their price without any GP. That might be a good price but it's not the best. I think I'm going to wait awhile before buying.

[RunninWithTheDevil.com]

Originally posted by clutchNthrottle
I do have a legit question or 2 though. How was the Performance program, it comes loaded with, devleoped? Is is setup more for stock trucks, light mods (intake/exhaust) or the works (headers/AM sensors/torqueconverters and everything just short of a SC or NO2)? Oh, and how much more would it be for one of your custom programs? Thanks:smokin:

The program will work for stock to slightly modified vehicles, which includes exhaust work. It has been known to work with vehicles that even have different cams, and heads. Customers with torque converters have stated praise for the way it handles the lockup. The Predator's current programming is not meant to be used with aftermarket power adders such as a S/C, NOS, or a Turbo(s).

Custom programming is not yet offered, but will be available very soon, for those who require extensive programming.

Originally posted by Luke2kZ71
what about gear changes? will it keep our ABS going strong? what about with 4.56 and even 4.88?

Yes, the Predator will correct from a 2.xx up to a 6.xx gear ratio, and will correct from a 100mm to 400mm tire width, from 5 to 125 aspect ratio, and from a 10 inch to 40 inch rim height. The possibilities are basically endless. You tell it what rear gear you have (if different than factory), and you put in your Factory Tire Size, and then your Actual Wheel Size, so it'll compute the difference between the two and properly correct your speedo.

I hope this helps! :)

Sincerely...

[RunninWithTheDevil.com]

Originally posted by OHIO'S2500HD
I'm not sure what happened to LAPD on the preferred vendors section but that was their price without any GP. That might be a good price but it's not the best. I think I'm going to wait awhile before buying.

That price was not within the DiabloSport dealer's terms of agreement that we dealers ALL must abide by. The agreement states that ALL DiabloSport dealers MUST NOT advertise anymore than 15% off of retail (retail is $495). You will NEVER see the price of the Predator legitimately go below that for non Group Purchases. The ONLY time this will happen is when there is an authorized factory GP, as there is now, and it will never be less than $399. DiabloSport and its distributors will take the necessary action for those who continually do not conform to the dealer terms of agreement. I do business ethically, and abide by all rules governed to me.

As for why they are no longer on here, I can't state, as you'll have to ask the Admins why.

[DozerMan21]

James-

Are you offering any discounts on the Predator for the diesels? I have a '02 Duramax, and I saw on your website that you'll have them anytime now. What kind of h.p. and torque gains will I get?

Also, could you or anyone else explain the difference between the "Predator", and a plug-in type module like the "Power Edge Juice"? I'm not familiar with either, and don't really know what each one does.:think:


Thanks for any info!
:smokin:

Brian

[HENRY]

What about the quirks?

[RunninWithTheDevil.com]

Originally posted by DozerMan21
James-

Are you offering any discounts on the Predator for the diesels? I have a '02 Duramax, and I saw on your website that you'll have them anytime now. What kind of h.p. and torque gains will I get?

At this time I am not offering any GP special pricing on the Duramax Predator. Namely, it is not yet released (due next week, or early the week after), plus the demand for it is quite high. If and when DiabloSport allows such, I will make it public.

As for power tunes, the Predator for the Duramax will have 4 tunes standard! Yes FOUR tunes! You will get a 40 hp economy tune, a 60 rwhp towing tune, an 85 rwhp performance tune, AND you will also have a tune that has NO performance modifications whatsoever, but it will have your rev limiter and speed limiter increased. All files will have rev limiter and speed limiter increased.

To break this down:

4 included tunes:

1: 40 rwhp economy tune
2: 60 rwhp towing tune
3: 85 rwhp performance tune
4: Non-performance tune w/ just speed limiter and rev limiters increased ONLY (many were asking for this ability only).

RWTQ (Rear Wheel Torque) #'s will range from approx. 100 to 200 on the the 3 performance files.

These #'s are done on a SuperFlow dual absorbing Eddy-current system, which typically yield from 5 to 10% lower #'s than a Dynojet, so expect these #'s to be pretty true across the board for most trucks, but please remember that each truck is different, so there may be some slight variation on some vehicles.

In order to use each tune you must turn the vehicle off, key on, plug the Predator in, then choose which file you'd like to use, one at a time. It takes approx. 2 min. to change tunes. The Predator works off of flash tuning, which is the most complete and proper way of tuning a pcm, so there is no switching between the tunes on the fly.

As for the rev limiter increase, the 6-speeds will benefit most from this. The automatics will really only benefit in top gear, but this is where your 120 mph speed limiter will come into play as well. As we know, the Allison does do a great job at learning and compensating from increased power, which will cause the Allison's pcm to possibly increase the line pressure and the shift points.

Also, if one requires a power tune that is greater than the standard offerings, we can build this, but there is only so much power that the stock Allison transmission can safely work and adapt with, plus the factory exhaust will need upgrading for any power levels beyond the 90ish rwhp level.

And, as with the gas Predator, you can return your vehicle back to the stock programming at any time you desire, which is undetectable.

Also, could you or anyone else explain the difference between the "Predator", and a plug-in type module like the "Power Edge Juice"? I'm not familiar with either, and don't really know what each one does.:think:

The Predator isn't a data manipulator! That's the difference. We properly tune the pcm the correct way by utilizing flash technology; the same technology the manufacturer uses. We also tune in raw hex; again, the same way the manufacturer does. Our setup is less likely to have flaws and bugs. We can do anything and everything to the pcm that GM can do to it. On top of it, our Duramax unit has many more features that others do not offer, such as the top end limiter raised to 120, and revs raised as well, plus Diesel specific OBD-2 diagnostics and monitoring.

Originally posted by HENRY
What about the quirks?

What quirks?!?!


Sincerely...

[HENRY]

Originally posted by RunninWithTheDevil.com


What quirks?!?!


Sincerely...




Originally posted by RunninWithTheDevil.com


Also, from the last go around all the minor lil bugs are worked out for all vehicles, including the trucks.

Should i have said "bugs"?

[00z71sierra]

James, I emailed you about the Predator and my truck being Whipplecharged and all. So what you're saying is it's not recommended for SC'ed trucks right now? How long before custom tuning will be available? Also, it sounds like it's worth it just to get rid of the TM that robs so much power. If I buy one is it safe to load up to my truck or is the supercharger going to mess with the stock programming.

[BuiltupBowtie]

How long will this GP last? I have a Birthday February 7th and I think I will be asking for a Diablo.

Mike

[FeeD]

Originally posted by BuiltupBowtie
How long will this GP last? I have a Birthday February 7th and I think I will be asking for a Diablo.

Mike

hmmm...:think:

Time Period:
Start: Friday, 01/10/02 at beginning of business morning
Ends: Friday, 01/24/02 at end of business day



:read:

[clutchNthrottle]

Originally posted by RunninWithTheDevil.com
I hope this helps! :)

Sincerely...

Thanks for answering my last set of questions. I have a similar program for my bikes that I run off my laptop, so I'm just trying to understand the extent of adjustability I'll have with your predator. I've come up with a couple more questions though:

1. We previously discussed the top speed limiter, which you said tops out at 120mph with the predator, but what's the max rpm setting?

2. What is the range of adjustability of the igniton and fueling settings? I seem to remember +/- 5% from the installed performace map. When these changes are made, are they applied across the board or can you specify certain rpms that these changes take effect?

3. What octane do you recommend using with the predator?

4. When you load the program, what features are installed, removed or moddified automatically without giving the operator a choice to apply these features? Or I guess what I'm trying to say is: Of the features that are loaded, which do we NOT have the option to adjust?

5. Since the predator is VIN specific, how would one get the programmer reset? If I was to sell my truck or upgrade to a SC that comes with it's own programmer, etc., how could I make it suitible for use on someone elses truck? An online update or send it back to you guys? Would there be a charge for this service?

6. Are all advertised features currently fully fuctional for our trucks? Is the programmer good for the '03 trucks yet?

7. What do you mean on your site by: "And, of course, many more..."?

You've probablly answered these questions dozens of times already, but I'm sure some guys are thinking the same things and maybe this'll save at least a couple from asking you again.........Thanks!:rocking:

[Tosymh]

Has anyone actually used the Diablo Predator on a 6.0L? What kind of gains received?

Any input would help.

[Tosymh]

How long does it usually take James to reply? I've sent the email, but have not heard anything back yet. Anyone else ordered one yet?????

[RunninWithTheDevil.com]

Originally posted by Tosymh
How long does it usually take James to reply? I've sent the email, but have not heard anything back yet. Anyone else ordered one yet?????

I have sent you 3 emails, friend, all of them replies to your previous ones. I think you are having a problem on your end. I called and spoke to your wife, I do believe, and she took my name and number and stated she'd have you call me back.

I'm sorry you're having problems with your email service. Feel free to call me at your convenience.

Sincerely...

[tstranik]

Originally posted by HP409ss

Time Period:
Start: Friday, 01/10/02 at beginning of business morning
Ends: Friday, 01/24/02 at end of business day


I'm assuming that you mean 2003, and not 2002?!

[RunninWithTheDevil.com]

Originally posted by tstranik


I'm assuming that you mean 2003, and not 2002?!

HA! Thanx for seeing that ;) I'll get the Admin to fix the post pronto! That was my mistake...my bad!

Sincerely...

[Tosymh]

I ordered the Diablo from James. I have a basically stock truck, so I'll let everyone know how it works.

[01 Silverado]

Hello James,
How are you going to treat the Canadian customers for shipping?
Thanks Pat

[RunninWithTheDevil.com]

Originally posted by 01 Silverado
Hello James,
How are you going to treat the Canadian customers for shipping?
Thanks Pat

I will insure them for the actual cost of the product, to help save on brokerage fees for you. Since a gift is only able to clear for free if the value is $60 or less, I couldn't take the risk of UPS losing the product. If I ship them as a "Business Use", it will eliminate the PST tax on the product and save you approx. $35 in Canadian funds doing so. Cost of a Predator will be approximately $690 Canadian after brokerage fees (shipping not included). I've estimated on the high side to keep you from having to spend more, as these #'s will likely be slightly less. To break that down:

$399 US ='s $616 Canadian. Brokerage fees added to that (remember, I am only insuring for the cost of the units in "value" terms), will add approx. $75 Canadian (most likely less). So adding these prices up will be $690 Canadian, or $447 US. Adding shipping in to your location (and I can only guestimate here since I do not know your shipping address) will be approximately $20 US (approx. $32 Canadian) for the UPS Standard. Remember, if that is the true price of the shipping, I will still give you a $10 US credit on the shipping regardless of what the shipping actually costs. Please, I also need you to give me your complete shipping address so I can calculate the proper shipping fees, if you do not mind.

When you're ready to proceed with the purchase please shoot me back with the necessary info. by email me at sales@runninwiththedevil.com and I will give you a link to purchase them with.

$450ish US for a Predator is not a bad price to pay once you figure this all up.

One other thing, some people lable things "Warranty Exchange", so the price on duties most likely will be even less. I will let you be responsible for the brokerage fees, though. So you will know, I got all this information from Canadian brokerage agents w/ UPS.

Very Sincerely...

[clutchNthrottle]

Ummm, James......

I had a few questions a couple of posts back, but didn't get a response from you.......:bawl:.....maybe you missed them?

Originally posted by clutchNthrottle
Thanks for answering my last set of questions. I have a similar program for my bikes that I run off my laptop, so I'm just trying to understand the extent of adjustability I'll have with your predator. I've come up with a couple more questions though:

1. We previously discussed the top speed limiter, which you said tops out at 120mph with the predator, but what's the max rpm setting?

2. What is the range of adjustability of the igniton and fueling settings? I seem to remember +/- 5% from the installed performace map. When these changes are made, are they applied across the board or can you specify certain rpms that these changes take effect?

3. What octane do you recommend using with the predator?

4. When you load the program, what features are installed, removed or moddified automatically without giving the operator a choice to apply these features? Or I guess what I'm trying to say is: Of the features that are loaded, which do we NOT have the option to adjust?

5. Since the predator is VIN specific, how would one get the programmer reset? If I was to sell my truck or upgrade to a SC that comes with it's own programmer, etc., how could I make it suitible for use on someone elses truck? An online update or send it back to you guys? Would there be a charge for this service?

6. Are all advertised features currently fully fuctional for our trucks? Is the programmer good for the '03 trucks yet?

7. What do you mean on your site by: "And, of course, many more..."?

You've probablly answered these questions dozens of times already, but I'm sure some guys are thinking the same things and maybe this'll save at least a couple from asking you again.........Thanks!:rocking:

[RunninWithTheDevil.com]

Originally posted by clutchNthrottle
Ummm, James......

I had a few questions a couple of posts back, but didn't get a response from you.......:bawl:.....maybe you missed them?



I'm just saw it, my bad. I'm working on it in a few. Feel free to email me or call me if you have any concerns. I get those messages and calls immediately.

Sincerely...

[DozerMan21]

James-

Thanks for all your responses. I tried to download the instructions for the Predator, but my computer won't load them.:cussing: Does it plug into the wiring harness on top of the engine (diesel)? Also, does it stay plugged in all the time and you mount it in the cab, or just plug it in when you want to change programs and then unplug it and it stays on that tune?:think: Just trying to see how it works. I also wanted to know how long it will be at that price ($595 including shipping,right)?

Thanks again for all your help.
:cool: Brian

[Flyer]

Originally posted by clutchNthrottle
Ummm, James......

I had a few questions a couple of posts back, but didn't get a response from you.......:bawl:.....maybe you missed them?



I would like to see the answer for these questions as well. Please don't answer them via e-mail but rather here in the forums. Thanks!

[RunninWithTheDevil.com]

Originally posted by DozerMan21
James-

Thanks for all your responses. I tried to download the instructions for the Predator, but my computer won't load them.:cussing:

Hey bud, the problem is that you need the latest version of Adobe Acrobat. Download it free from here:

http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html

Does it plug into the wiring harness on top of the engine (diesel)? Also, does it stay plugged in all the time and you mount it in the cab, or just plug it in when you want to change programs and then unplug it and it stays on that tune?:think: Just trying to see how it works.

It actually plugs in via your diagnostics port inside of your cab just under your dash. You flash the computer and then unplug the unit. It does not stay plugged in all the time like the Juice. You can, however, leave it plugged in so you can watch the Live Diagnostics feed and/or read codes and their descriptions and reset them if you choose. It's a handheld tool that you can carry around with you similar to a Hypertech. Flashing the factory pcm is the most complete, accurante, and less error proned way of programming. It's done just how the factory does it, but with our tuning.

I also wanted to know how long it will be at that price ($595 including shipping,right)?

That $595 price with FREE shipping is my everyday low price! It will remain at that price, unless DiabloSport raises the MSRP, but that is not foreseen for a long long while.

Thanks again for all your help.
:cool: Brian

And thank you so much for your time too, friend! I do appreciate answering each and everyone of you all!

Sincerely...

[RunninWithTheDevil.com]

Originally posted by clutchNthrottle

1. We previously discussed the top speed limiter, which you said tops out at 120mph with the predator, but what's the max rpm setting?

The max rpm setting is 6600, adjustable in 10 rpm increments.

2. What is the range of adjustability of the igniton and fueling settings? I seem to remember +/- 5% from the installed performace map. When these changes are made, are they applied across the board or can you specify certain rpms that these changes take effect?

The timing and fuel trim djusting for the end-user is at WOT only. If you need adjusting at non-wot then I will be able to make the program to your desires, at any rpm range as well, but this isn't yet ready to fully implement, but will come in due time.

The range is +/- 10%, and anywhere in between, on the timing, and +/- 5%, and anywhere in between, on the fuel settings. This will yield you approx. 2 degrees in either direction, and 1 to 1.5 points either way on your a/f ratio.

3. What octane do you recommend using with the predator?

91-93 octane, although I have a customer with 90 octane at very high altititudes in a Tahoe and he isn't getting any KR and his economy improved from 18 to about 21 (I believe) on a recent road trip, so this more than offset any higher price on premium fuel. He's on this forum so maybe he'll chime in here again? He did make a previous post so you may want to do some searches.

4. When you load the program, what features are installed, removed or moddified automatically without giving the operator a choice to apply these features? Or I guess what I'm trying to say is: Of the features that are loaded, which do we NOT have the option to adjust?

The base tune will adjust the Torque Management, add firmer and quicker more precised shifts, added base timing, and optimized fuel trims. You do not have the ability to reapply your TM, nor can the end-user adjust their non-wot timing and fuel settings.

5. Since the predator is VIN specific, how would one get the programmer reset? If I was to sell my truck or upgrade to a SC that comes with it's own programmer, etc., how could I make it suitible for use on someone elses truck? An online update or send it back to you guys? Would there be a charge for this service?

The unit is permanently married to the VIN. If you buy a S/C why not just have your Predator's file updated to accomadate this possibility? That would make the most complete sense, as our programming will still give the end-use the most options available of any unit, and will continue to offer the most complete options and abilities.

6. Are all advertised features currently fully fuctional for our trucks? Is the programmer good for the '03 trucks yet?

I haven't had any new issues or complaints arise in quite some time now since v1.03. The '03 files are not developed fully yet, and will be done hopefully by mid. Feb. at the latest.

7. What do you mean on your site by: "And, of course, many more..."?

What I explain on the site only goes in small detail as to what the end-user can expect and see out of the unit. The adjustments are very minute on all the settings, which affords more control for the end-user. Future programming changes or additions will also be included in that statement as well.

I appreciate your post, all of your questions, and I apologize about not seeing it the first go around. I hope you have a great evening, friend!

Very Sincerely,

James

[DozerMan21]

James-

Thanks for the reply. I do have another question that I forgot to ask. I wanted to know when the transmission (Allison) changes gears, is the Predator programmed so that it will back off for just a second, and then continue to send power? Or is it a constant surge on the shifts? I'm mainly talking about if I were to accelerate fast in the highest tune, but also in average driving. That's one of the things I liked about the Juice is that it "backs off" just while shifting, and then continue to surge. Some of the older chips and modules on other trucks wouldn't, and I always thought that would be hard on the tranny.

Thanks again:cool:
Brian

[Flyer]

DozerMan: I think you are referring to the 'Torque Management' which the Predetor will remove. From the sounds of it, it looks like it is removed, period, no ifs, ands, buts, or options about it - please, correct me if I am wrong.

What if the supercharger kit comes with a programmer for itself. Why would we want to send the Diablo off and have it RE-tuned, just to have to wait that long. Passed that, I would think that if the s/c ppl have a program they send with your kit, that it would be the more optimized program without actually putting it on a dyno.

Since you can't hook it up and use it after an already alternate program, I am thinking that LS1Edit might be the better option for me, as I plan on adding a s/c that comes with a programmer.

Please, if you can give valid reasons for objecting my conclusion, I am all ears.

[RunninWithTheDevil.com]

Originally posted by Flyer
What if the supercharger kit comes with a programmer for itself. Why would we want to send the Diablo off and have it RE-tuned, just to have to wait that long. Passed that, I would think that if the s/c ppl have a program they send with your kit, that it would be the more optimized program without actually putting it on a dyno.

You'd be very surprised to know that most supercharging companies use our programming already :)

Some companies use flashers that only flash one time and you, as the end-user, have no control over anything else. Why limit yourself in that regard?

Also, why send the Predator back when you can have the file emailed to you and then you install it in the comfort of your own home by uploading it from your PC into your Predator?

[Flyer]

You'd be very surprised to know that most supercharging companies use our programming already :)


They use Superchips


Some companies use flashers that only flash one time and you, as the end-user, have no control over anything else. Why limit yourself in that regard?


I agree, and I think Superchips is like that, but that also will still allow me to use LS1Edit, at only $150 more than the Diablo


Also, why send the Predator back when you can have the file emailed to you and then you install it in the comfort of your own home by uploading it from your PC into your Predator?

This option is not yet supported. In my experience with situations where features are added at a later time (after the product is released), they are generally not a priority in getting them added, which is obviously the case since they are already releasing the product without the feature in the first place.

I think this is a VERY good programmer, and a very good product, but I am still leaning towards LS1Edit for my particular situation. If I didn't have thoughts of adding a blower, I would certainly give your product a harder look.

[RunninWithTheDevil.com]

So far we have 3 orders from here, guys. I appreciate everything so far!

Sincerely...

[clutchNthrottle]

Thanks for the detailed response to my questions. You can put me down as #4:D.............just gotta wait till pay day:cussing: ..........I WILL email you with my order before the GP deadline though:read:

:rocking:

[SANDY'SZ71]

james

I know you said that the programmer corrects the speedo but does it fix the abs problem when you do a gear change.

I'm putting 4.56 or 4.88 gears in with 36" tires and I want to make sure that I will not have a problem with the abs if I decide to buy this programmer.

Thanks

[kwf1]

Just thinkin outloud. Knowing the Predator is married to your VIN , and you would probably restore your factory settings before bringing your vehicle in for repairs, If the dealership flashed new updates to your PCM, would the Predator recognize this and use these new settings as its factory baseline? Or would it forever use the orginal factory settings as its baseline?

[RunninWithTheDevil.com]

Originally posted by kwf1
Just thinkin outloud. Knowing the Predator is married to your VIN , and you would probably restore your factory settings before bringing your vehicle in for repairs, If the dealership flashed new updates to your PCM, would the Predator recognize this and use these new settings as its factory baseline? Or would it forever use the orginal factory settings as its baseline?

GREAT question, as that has never been asked before.

Actually, the Predator will notice this change, dump the old programming, and backup this latest flash. Trick, huh? ;)

Sincerely...

[kwf1]

Originally posted by RunninWithTheDevil.com


GREAT question, as that has never been asked before.

Actually, the Predator will notice this change, dump the old programming, and backup this latest flash. Trick, huh? ;)

Sincerely...

Thanks for the quick reply. That is a really good feature, especially if there are updated codes or programming that need to be installed by the dealer.

[00z71sierra]

James, I asked you some questions back on page two and I know you had to field a lot of questions so I understand you missing my question. Let me know when you have a chance.

Posted previously:
James, I emailed you about the Predator and my truck being Whipplecharged and all. So what you're saying is it's not recommended for SC'ed trucks right now? How long before custom tuning will be available? Also, it sounds like it's worth it just to get rid of the TM that robs so much power. If I buy one is it safe to load up to my truck or is the supercharger going to mess with the stock programming.

Thanks, 00z71sierra

[Tokez420]

i saw that some one mentioned that after you delete the TM u cant reinstall it. is this true???

[RunninWithTheDevil.com]

Originally posted by 00z71sierra
James, I emailed you about the Predator and my truck being Whipplecharged and all. So what you're saying is it's not recommended for SC'ed trucks right now? How long before custom tuning will be available? Also, it sounds like it's worth it just to get rid of the TM that robs so much power. If I buy one is it safe to load up to my truck or is the supercharger going to mess with the stock programming.

Hey man, I hope you didn't lose any faith in me. I honestly just let this go right past me w/out seeing it. Please forgive me.

To answer your question, the Predator can be programmed to have a file in that will tune a vehicle such as yours, and this would be done via a custom tune. You will need this before you can safely use a Predator with your setup.

As for when the custom tunes will be available, I will talk with them shortly to see if they are ready to tackle your setup. I do know that they have successfully tuned several s/c'ed trucks with great results.

Sincerely...

[RunninWithTheDevil.com]

Originally posted by Tokez420
i saw that some one mentioned that after you delete the TM u cant reinstall it. is this true???

I can have a file created for you that would not touch the TM if you really wanted this feature still. Regardless, even if you did load up the standard DiabloSport tune, the moment you restore your tune back to stock then you would have all the factory settings as before, TM and all.

I hope this helps!

Sincerely...

[tstranik]

Well I just ordered one of these too... Should have it before the weekend, but I'm not sure if I'm gonna install it right away. I just had my engine replaced w/ a brand new 2003 6.0L long block and I only have about 300 miles on it so far. I'll probably wait till about 1000 before I start getting on it. But when I do, I plan on doing some back to back G-Tech runs w/ stock, hypertech, and predator tuning to see what the performance gains actually are. I do have a question though... does anybody know the re-sale possibilities of this tuner? W/ the hypertech you're able to remove the tuning and e-bay the thing for most of what you bought it for... If I sell my truck one day, am I able to sell the Predator and have it usefull to someone else?
Thanks!

2001 GMC Sierra C3
ASM Headers
B&B Cat-Back
K&N Filtercharger
Hypertech Programmer
160 T-Stat
Taylor Pro Series Wires

[Flyer]

Look on page 3, about half way down. You should find the answer to your question there. I think it has been said in this thread why it is permanantly married to your VIN, but I can't remember.

[SANDY'SZ71]

So how many programmers have been ordered?

[clutchNthrottle]

Originally posted by tstranik
... If I sell my truck one day, am I able to sell the Predator and have it usefull to someone else?


Here's the reason (lifted off of james' site)

Predator Re-Flash Policy:

The Predator will marry to the vehicle upon upload of the factory tune and cannot be re-flashed, for any reason, back to a blank tool. This marrying of the Vin # to the tool is what makes it possible for us to allow the vehicle to be re-flashed by GM, and still be re-programmed again by the Predator. Re-flashing of the Predator is not possible without the complete disassembly, replacement and reprogramming of critical components of the Predator tool.
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It's kind of a bummer but it looks like the programmer will go with the truck.......UNLESS.....Whoever you sell it to swaps ECUs with you. But they would need to have the same year and engine size as you. Am I right James?

[clutchNthrottle]

Sorry for more questions but the more I think about this, the more questions I have.

1. The predator was developed with a stock T-stat right, or do we need a 180? If it was designed for a stock T-Stat, what effect would a 180 or 160 degree T-stat have on its operation? I was thinking about getting a 180 sometime after this programmer.

2. After installing the program, what would be the effect of adding aftermarket "electronic modifications" such as a Gran-MAF sensor or an electronic "shift kit" (shift improver)? Since the Predator is already enhancing these areas, are they gonna hinder or help performace? Since the predator is already firming up shifts, will the "shift kit" further improve upon it or is the predator already using up all the play the "shift kit" would've added? Would the the "calibrated" (falsified) signals provided by the Gran-MAF to coax additional fuel/timing out of the stock ECU, hurt performance when applied to the Predator moddifed fuel and ignition tables? Or would the Gran-MAF futher enhance the Predator program perfomace?

[RunninWithTheDevil.com]

Originally posted by SANDY'SZ71
So how many programmers have been ordered?

5 have been ordered from FSC members. Thank you everyone!

Originally posted by clutchNthrottle
Sorry for more questions but the more I think about this, the more questions I have.

1. The predator was developed with a stock T-stat right, or do we need a 180? If it was designed for a stock T-Stat, what effect would a 180 or 160 degree T-stat have on its operation? I was thinking about getting a 180 sometime after this programmer.

It will not affect the tuning ability of the Predator.

2. After installing the program, what would be the effect of adding aftermarket "electronic modifications" such as a Gran-MAF sensor or an electronic "shift kit" (shift improver)? Since the Predator is already enhancing these areas, are they gonna hinder or help performace? Since the predator is already firming up shifts, will the "shift kit" further improve upon it or is the predator already using up all the play the "shift kit" would've added? Would the the "calibrated" (falsified) signals provided by the Gran-MAF to coax additional fuel/timing out of the stock ECU, hurt performance when applied to the Predator moddifed fuel and ignition tables? Or would the Gran-MAF futher enhance the Predator program perfomace?

The aftermarket MAF units have worked out well for multiple customers on their LS1 powered cars.

As for using an electronic "shift kit", this would NOT be recommended, as the Predator already utilizes the factory electronics to further enhance these areas. Why double stack and risk doing damage, as you're able to adjust the Predator's base tune settings even further by +/- 25% on shift pressure and shift duration. If that is not enough then I could make a file for you that would further decrease the shift time and also add in more pressure, and then you'd still have the +/- 25% control.

You need to remember, though, that the factory transmission can only do so much via the electronics, and there will be a stopping point in how quick you're going to get it to shift. In this instance, you'll need to use a mechanical setup to further enhance your transmission's ability.

Sincerely...

[clutchNthrottle]

Originally posted by RunninWithTheDevil.com


The aftermarket MAF units have worked out well for multiple customers on their LS1 powered cars.

As for using an electronic "shift kit", this would NOT be recommended, as the Predator already utilizes the factory electronics to further enhance these areas. Why double stack and risk doing damage, as you're able to adjust the Predator's base tune settings even further by +/- 25% on shift pressure and shift duration. If that is not enough then I could make a file for you that would further decrease the shift time and also add in more pressure, and then you'd still have the +/- 25% control.

You need to remember, though, that the factory transmission can only do so much via the electronics, and there will be a stopping point in how quick you're going to get it to shift. In this instance, you'll need to use a mechanical setup to further enhance your transmission's ability.

Sincerely...

Thanks, this is what I was figuring, just wanted to verify. My next mod will be a Vette or billet Servo! I'm sold:D :smokin:

[RunninWithTheDevil.com]

DiabloSport authorized 1 more week on the GP, so now if you didn't have time to do this before, you have till end of day on Jan. 31st. The original first post in this thread has been updated to reflect this as well.

This GP has been a success, and we do appreciate everyone for all the purchases, the great questions, and for your time.

Sincerely...

[RunninWithTheDevil.com]

2 days left everyone!

Get your orders in while you can!

Sincerely,

James

[01 Silverado]

James how about offering this at a later date as incime tax time would be a better time for me and $25.00 US is a great savings especially when we have to convert it from Canadian.
We know you can do it!!

Thanks
Pat

[Slamdchevy316]

Just ordered mine, I'll let everyone know how good it is when it comes in

[surferdude]

Mine arrived today. I'll be taking sometime tomorrow to re-flash my ECU back to stock with my HPP3 and then reprogramming it with the Predator.

I would really like to set up a dyno run here in town at my friends shop, but I don't have time to set it all up to compare BUT I will still have my HPP3, so I might still be able to do 3+ dyno pulls, one stock, one HPP3, and one Predator by next weekend.

But until then, I'll let you know about the good ol' seat of the pants meter!!!

:D

[RunninWithTheDevil.com]

Hey everyone, I just wanted to thank you all again for participating in this GP. It most likely will be the first and last factory authorized GP ever offered on DiabloSport products, though.

I will accept any and all order requests through midnight Central Standard Time today (12/31/03), so if you're leaning towards getting one at a great price, then now is the time and chance!

I appreciate it again everyone!

Sincerely...

[clutchNthrottle]

Got mine!:rocking:

Thanks James, your customer service has been outstanding!:read: I'm having way too much fun playing with it. I've been plugging it in every time I get in the truck, just to watch the real time monitoring. :D I wish it would dry up around here, I'm just lighting up the tires everywhere. I've been messing with the shifting mostly. Being able to set up 2 seperate custom shifting programs is excellent. Normal is set for mellow and milage. Tow/Haul is now Haul/A$$:burn: Took the truck out for lunch today, with 3 of the guys from my shop. They noticed the difference and I wasn't even romping it.

One thing I was a bit odd though, just wanna be sure I got this straight on the "Shift Time":

INCREASING the % = DECREASES the Shift Time (quicker performance shifts)
DECREASING the % = INCREASES the Shift Time (slower smooth shifts)

When I first moddified the tune, I was thinking the other way around.........:crazy:

[RunninWithTheDevil.com]

Originally posted by clutchNthrottle
One thing I was a bit odd though, just wanna be sure I got this straight on the "Shift Time":

INCREASING the % = DECREASES the Shift Time (quicker performance shifts)
DECREASING the % = INCREASES the Shift Time (slower smooth shifts)

Actually, going "negative" as in -12.5% or -25% should "quicken" up your shifting (the duration, or "lag" during the gear change).

Are you finding this to be opposite? If so then I'll have to get the boys at DiabloSport to look into this next week just to be sure, as this would be opposite, and not correct normally.

Please let me know! If you can, email me at sales@diablosport.com and let me know, friend!

Sincerely...

[RunninWithTheDevil.com]

Also, take your "shift point rpm" and move them to 5600 in each gear, as this is the best area for your truck to shift at, and put your rev limiter at 6000 if it isn't already, on all 1-6 ON, and 5990 on 1-6 OFF (you'll notice there are 12 settings, and if you scroll to the "right" you will see that the "O" becomes an "ON" and an "OFF").

If your 3-4 shift is at 8190, just ignore this, even if you can't adjust it, as that actually has no variable. Let me know if it does say that indeed, though, but you will not have to worry about anything, just is something on our end that doesn't affect you.

Sincerely...