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Flyer
04-16-2003, 12:53 AM
My new Radix system has arrived!
Boy I am getting antsy now ....
It looks good even sitting in the box! I read through the manual and it doesn't seem like it will be all to difficult to do. I will be installing my TOG headers at the same time and getting a new exhaust system on the truck too. Can anyone come up with a good reason to keep the cats? I have LS1Edit so I can get the codes turned off for the emissions/SES.
I would LOOVE to be able to start on it this weekend since a friend that is going to be helping will be off Friday. There's only one prob though!
http://www.weather.com/weather/local/75670?lswe=75670&lwsa=WeatherLocalUndeclared
Whifflebat
04-16-2003, 12:56 AM
Awesome!! Don't let a little stop you, steal a garage...:think:, or maybe just "borrow" it. :rocking:
HOFFBARE
04-16-2003, 06:48 PM
Flyer, your going to love it. I installed mine last weekend. It's awesome! A few things, when you unplug your fuel injectors you have to pull up on the grey part of the clip then push in on the tab on the side of the black part of the clip. It took me a little while to figure this out. You have to lengthen the wires that go to your throttle body. There is nothing in the instructions about this but they do include the new wire lengths and butt connectors. In the instructions they tell you to torque the manifold to 98 ft lbs. This should be 98 INCH lbs. The bolts are only little 10mm bolts. I got to about 30 ft lbs and they felt like they were going to snap so I checked my Haynes manual and it said 98 inch lbs so I backed them all off and retorqued them. What finish did you get? I got mine in black. They don't offer black but when we were in California in December, we toured their facility and I was told they did a limited 50 unit production run of black ones and I was able to get one. Also if you have a billet grille in your truck the intercooler cross support may hit it. Mine did so we had to remove the stock tranny cooler cross support and push it back towards the radiator about a half inch. GOOD LUCK! If you have any questions or problems E-me.
Karl
whitt1
04-16-2003, 09:12 PM
What kind of fuel pump did they send you? Is it a inline pump or a MSD boost-a-pump?They want me to replace my boost-a-pump with an inline pump.My Tahoe is running great I took it to the track last night and turned a 13.285@101.37mph.I think the look of disbelief on peoples faces is worth the price of the Magnacharger. Be sure you have an extra set of hands the Magnacharger mounted on the intake weighs over 80lbs.Let us know how everything works out. Whitt1
HOFFBARE
04-16-2003, 10:07 PM
Whitt, I have the MSD unit also. What is their reason for switching to a different pump instead?
Karl
Procharged LM7
04-17-2003, 03:45 AM
Awesome man! Good to hear you got it! Does yours come with injectors?
whitt1
04-17-2003, 08:18 AM
I don't really know why they are making the change.I do know that some of the MSD boost-a-pumps were not adjusted correctly.I also know that the inline pump they sent me will not fit a Tahoe and they are prototyping another one.None of this has presented a reliability issue I honestly know that I would rather have a inline helper pump than to constantly change the voltage to the factory pump when boost is detected.
Flyer
04-17-2003, 11:43 AM
HOFFBARE: Thanks a bunch for the experienced words! How long did it take you to get it all installed?
I got the regular finish. If I would have konwn about the black I would have asked about it. Mine has the booster pump. I don't KNOW that it is an MSD though. It just looks black and goes right by the fuel filter.
Sam: The new Magnacharger kit comes with an all inclusive intake. You only have to change a couple of things over from the old intake to the new one. Injectors are included on the new intake as well as new fuel rails. The only fuel piece I remember that it has you change over is maybe the regulator and/or the fuel pressure sensor.
Whitt: I can't wait to get it installed already. I could only hope of times like that. When I get the tranny rebuilt I am going to go with a higher stall TC to help me out more.
My truck was in the shop most of last wek getting the transfer case rebuilt under warranty. That set me back a little bit. I need to put it back in for brakes too, but that's just minor stuff there.
Procharged LM7
04-17-2003, 01:37 PM
wow, that's great! I see why they cost so much now. I see everybody is having good luck with them, so you should be set! Good luck with the install.
whitt1
04-17-2003, 07:49 PM
If your fuel pump fits next to the fuel filter you have the new inline pump mine fits under the hood and boosts the voltage on the stock fuel pump.If you buy a convertor get the Yank 3000 it maintains your towing ability and really wakes up things.
Flyer
04-19-2003, 08:15 PM
Got my headers installed ...
http://www.fullsizechevy.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=59755
Open for opinions from ya'll!
:tongue:
Procharged LM7
04-20-2003, 02:07 AM
I just wanted to tell you guys, be glad you dont have to install an ATI. What a MF B___ !!!!! I finally got it on, everything is on, but I need to connect the intercooler hoses(they are all on and tight to the intercooler, just not to the sc) to the SC, and that's it. There must be a trick to the belt, because the only way I can figure it out, is to take off some of the sc bolts. I am dumb sometimes, but you get it down after taking the sc on and off about 5 times :devil:
if I have to take that thing off in the next month I am going to torch my truck. Prolly not, but that's how I feel right now. Hope you guys have a better time getting the Magnachargers on.
Flyer
04-20-2003, 03:37 AM
Geez ... sounds like fun! I hope the whole blower doesn't have to come off on my for a LONG LONG time since it is the intake manifold. If I ever have to take it off for another reason I will more than likely stick a new cam and valve train in it.
Forgot to mention ... as bas as the forecast looked, it never rained so far. I think they changed tomorrow to be a decent day too.
:cussing:
Procharged LM7
04-20-2003, 03:43 AM
I have a feeling you won't have any probs with it. They seem to be the best SC's out there period! If I had twice the $ that I paid for the ATI, I would definately get the Magna. It doesnt have all the side blower belt routing crap. She should run nice though. I will let you know tomorrow evening (hopefully, gulp) Have a nice Easter.
Flyer
04-21-2003, 02:25 AM
I hope your right Sam. I think I can get it all done in a weekend. I just have to get started on it ...
Whitt: It seems like I remember seeing/reading you had electric fans somewhere. If so .. where is your intercooler resevoir mounted? They say to mount it on the fan shroud, but I don't like that idea and I would like to put electric fans on in the future sometime. I was thinking I may as well mount it somewhere out of the way while I am mounting so it won't have to be moved later on.
whitt1
04-21-2003, 07:37 AM
The resavoir is mounted to the metal bracket that mounts the Flex-a-lite fans.It's a little more to center of the radiator and I did have to secure the water pump with plastic ties to keep it from touching the fans when I accelarate hard.If you start to do fans I'll try to get you pictures.
Flyer
04-21-2003, 12:08 PM
I see ... actually not really ...
I might understand more if I actually had the fans. I will definantly need pictures though whenever you get a chance.
;)
Flyer
04-21-2003, 11:18 PM
Another question for Whitt. How did you get your 34" radiator? Mine measures 34" from tank to tank, but like 28 for the actual radiator.
Did your truck come with a bigger radiator or did you get it afterwards? If you bought the radiator where did you get it from and for how much.
HOFFBARE
04-22-2003, 01:39 AM
Flyer, sorry I didn't get back to you sooner, we were out of town racing for the weekend then I got a phone call this A.M. that my daughter wrecked my truck last night! Hopefully it's not totaled but it's bad. Anyway it took me about 11 hours to install my Radix but I probably wasted 2 hours messing around with my billet grille hitting the intercooler. I could probably do it again in 6-8 hours easily. I hope your install goes well for you, I'm just praying my truck isn't totaled!
Karl
Flyer
04-22-2003, 03:25 AM
Man .. I hope everything is OK with your truck and your daughter!
That is soooo reassuring to hear it didn't take you that long. I was telling my dad I think we could do it in a weekend, but he has no faith. He won't be helping much anyways. I'm sure he will get the urge to come out and 'supervise' us though.
whitt1
04-22-2003, 10:44 PM
I just ordered the Flex-a-lite setup from Jegs it fit perfectly.I asume my truck has the same size radiator as yours.I do run a 160 degree thermostat and a 50/50 antifreeze mix it runs just below 190 degrees in traffic with the AC running.
Flyer
04-23-2003, 02:06 AM
Was it the FLX-282 that you ordered from Jegs? Would you do one more thing for me? Measure your radiator from far end of the tank to the other far edge.
Thanks for answering so many of my questions. I think we are going to tackle the install this weekend and I think I am ready for it. I got my gauges installed in the truck, and the lights hooked up and all. I have to run the wiring harnesses and vacuum hose through the firewall still, but hopefully that will be the easy part.
Just in case anyone wants to know .. the wires for the lights in the gauge cluster are the grey wire, the one next to an orange wire (there are 2 grey wires next to each other, and the black w/white tracer on the bottom row, corner.
Another way, it you have the large clip at the top and are looking at the plug, going from the right, the first wire on the bottom is your ground, and the 6th wire from the right on the top is the positive. :D
00z71sierra
04-24-2003, 01:18 PM
I just ordered the FLX-282 dual electric fans as well and my rad measured 34 from end to end but less from the actual rad end to end. I will let you know tomorrow if it fits.
By the way, I run a Whipple and recently it started making noises like a bad alternator bearing. Turns out I needed a rebuild. So now I'm in the process of upgrading the following during the downtime:
install of IT22 denso plugs at .035
install of LaPole headers, custom y pipe and PV exhaust
reinstall of Whipple
install of dual fans #282
install of K&N FIPK
install of Predator custom tune for Whipple
Hopefully I won't have too many problems. If I didn't have the investment in the Whipple I would have definitely gone the Radix route. You can't go wrong with a built in intercooler.
Flyer
04-24-2003, 02:07 PM
I ordered the fan kit last night. It should be here tomorrow. I will find out this weekend if it fits or not. I also got a new gauge and pod. I got the pod that mounts the gauage on the steering wheel column. I got a gauge for the intercooler water temperature.
00z71sierra
04-24-2003, 02:44 PM
Cool, let me know if your fans fit or not. I have my gauges mounted on the A pillar. Other than that no indications that I'm running a s/c. I am however replacing the stock Z71 decals with ones that say Z71 supercharged. It's a factory exact with the exception of the word so only "car nuts" will probably notice it...well that and the cowl indution hood ;)
00z71sierra
04-26-2003, 12:09 AM
OK, got the fans today and they don't fit. I apparently have a smaller radiator than other same year trucks. :cussing: My rad area measures about 28" in length so the fans won't fit flush against the fins of the rad.
On a good note, Summit will take them back and refund my shipping as well because they think I ordered the right part too and are surprised that it doesn't fit. I'm calling Flexolite on Monday to see if they make a direct fit fan kit for the smaller rad.
Hope you had better luck than me.
Flyer
04-26-2003, 03:02 AM
I ran into the same problem too. I MADE mine fit however with a little bit of african-american engineering and a lot of determination. I took some pics of how I made them fit, but they are currntly on the camera that is in my truck which is at my dads hose with a blower sitting on top of it waiting on the intercooler and auxilary fuel pump.
Yes, I got started on the blower install today. We are all but done with under the hood stuff cept for the TPS connector and the IAC connector. The wires seem to not be long enough to stretch across to the throttle body. Tomorrow we have got to install the auxillary fuel pump, run wires for it, mount the intercooler reservoir, mount the intercooler radiator thingy, plumb it, hook up my gauges, hook up the fans, and reprogram it. Then it will be ready to go. In order to get the fans going though, I have to find some wires with the truck running so I can kick the AC on and off.
Whitt, please tell me how you mounted the intercooer with the transmission cooler installed. I'm not sure I have a brack that will work or I got the kit that was designed for a truck without a trany cooler.
HOFFBARE
04-26-2003, 02:51 PM
I'm not Whitt but I can help. Yes the 2 throttle body sensors have to be lengthened. There is a pack of stuff with your install things that has the lengths of wire and butt connectors in it. These are for lengthening your wires and the colors correspond with the colors of the existing wires. There was nothing in the instructions about lengthening the wires but they included the parts. On the intercooler install, there is a package with longer bolts and black spacers in it. You need to remove the existing bolts for the tranny cooler crossmember, install the spacers, then install the new intercooler crossmember, and bolt the intercooler to it with the 4 bolts through the 4 holes in the crossmember. Hope this helps.
Karl
00z71sierra
04-26-2003, 10:51 PM
Flyer, please post pics soon or email them to me at g.hentschel@verizon.net and explain how you made the 282 fans fit the smaller rad. If it's not too difficult I will fabricate to make it fit.
Flyer
04-27-2003, 02:12 AM
Hoffbare, thanks for the response! I zip tied the tranny cooler to the AC condensor with the handy dandy radiator type zip ties. I did have to cut all the brackets off first. After we got it all said and done I was looking at those looong bolts and spacers wondering what the heck they went to, now I know. They didn't say anything about those spacers in there either, as well as the wires for the throttle body. I did find those wires, and I did get them lengthened. I didn't get a good connection on one of the IAC wares, so I had a really bad, high idle when we first started it up. I noticed Atap was has really high IAC counts so I knew something was up. I still have a really bad idle though. It kinda falls down then comes back to where it should idle. Did anyone else experience that. I am going to look my AIC wires over again tomorrow, as well as the TPS wires.
Man .. does this thing run. It rins like a scalded ape on steroids now. I skipped the step about shooting foam in the fender well. I think I am going to have to go back and do that though.
I will go get my camera from the truck and post some pics once my LS!Edit read gets done. I will reply again and post the few pics I have from the fan install.
Procharged LM7
04-27-2003, 02:23 AM
Good to hear you got it going!! Not that mine is even close to the same, but my truck would not idle for the first 20 minutes or so at all w/o giving it gas. My PCM had to re-learn not only idle, but idle with a drag on it. It finally caught on.
I have some 42lb RC Engineering injectors coming mon or tues. I won't have to worry about fuel after that hopefully. Now I see why the Radix is so exspensive. Drop in injectors like these retail for right under a hundo apiece!! I really notice mine loves the cool evening air here. I cannot imagine haivng a non intercooled sc, especially in hot areas. Keep us updated Nathan!
BTW those fans are sweet! I will have to get some soon.
Flyer
04-27-2003, 02:27 AM
http://bettie.homeip.net/atvpics/truck/e-fans
Try that out. There are 3 pics in there. You can't see it in the 1st one, but if it were anymore to the right, you would see the radiator hose/brace. The fans actually fit close to the tank on the passenger side, down flush on the radiator. You can see in the second pic how much I had to move it over with the new holes I drilled in the bracket. The bottom of the fans are held by manly size zip-ties to the radiator crossmember at the bottom under the radiator. The drivers side of the fans actually comes out just passed the tank, so there is a bit of overlay. If you look close at them you can tell they are too big, but the way they are in there, it looks like it was made for it. The fans move a TON of air .. LOOOOTS more than the stock fan does.
One thing I will say about them though is that the directions absolutely suck that come with the fans. The most useful thing on the whole one page front and back is the pinout diagram of the control panel, and the rest you may as well figure out yourself rather than read through the suckie instructions over and over to get what the hell they are talking about.
The pics are big so be prepared to wait for them. They are very detailed though.
Flyer
04-27-2003, 02:32 AM
Sam, I notice my intake air temps (sensor is in the manifold after the intercooler, run about 245. The water in the intercooler has not moved up to the 100* mark on my gauge yet. It looks like the gauge is broken, but it just doesn't get that hot. Once I get the 160* thermo I think more boost may be in the future. >: )
As for the idle .. I dunno what's up with that. I am hoping it's one of the wires I had to extend and that will fix it. It may be the altenator dragging it down too. I think the altenator is going dead on me. It isn't charging like it should and it is whinning like a stuck pig. It's been whinning for a while, but it's gotten bad lately since I let my battery die the other day. I guess that just did it in. It should be fun getting them to replace the altenator under warranty with the big dam blower sitting on top.
Procharged LM7
04-27-2003, 02:42 AM
Damn that sucks your alt is goin out. My Atap intake air temps are about 75-82, but this IS Alaska :-) I haven't been beating on mine too much till I get the new injectors in it. It is still nice to scoot around though, and I love the whistle! The good thing about the ATI, is, if you have stock drivetrain, the power never hits it off idle(unless you have a stall) so it is a little harder to break stuff. The bad thing is, you would smoke me off the line unless I get a stall! hehe Have fun with it! Sam
00z71sierra
04-27-2003, 08:59 AM
Flyer, thanks for the pics. That helps a lot and I'm gonna see if I can modify to fit them today. I noticed in one picture that your clutch fan was still on; you did take that off eventually right? I would have taken it off first; more room to work I would think.
Thanks again!
Flyer
04-27-2003, 11:21 AM
Sam, this is temperatures after the intercooler. The stock location for the IAT sensor is in the MAF. I had to clip 2 wires (green and tan I think) and butt connect them to a new sensor plug, then plug it in on the front of the manifold.
00z71suerra: I forgot to mention the fan clutch! You have to have a HUGE crexcent wrench and a soft blow hammer (rubber mallet) to take the fat nut off. The nut looks like it holds the water pump pulley on, but it feels like it's press fit. Just to be on the safe side I cut the fat nut off with a hack saw then made it look nice with the die grinder and put it back on.
Procharged LM7
04-27-2003, 12:33 PM
Mine is after the intercooler as well. I believe it is measured by the MAF right before it goes into the throttle body.Sounds like you are getting a huge job done this weekend!
whitt1
04-27-2003, 04:52 PM
Flier, what size pulley came with your Magnacharger kit is it a 3.4" or a 3.2"?How much boost are you running?
Flyer
04-28-2003, 12:50 PM
Whitt .. mine came with a 3.4 inch pulley. With the headers and free flowing exhaust I saw just over 7 at one time, but I am usually getting just under 7. Man ... this thing is just awsome! My truck will spin the tires all the way through 1st now. Eveyone that has gotten in the truck with me has had about the same reaction as I did ... DAYUUUM!!! It will just pin you in the seat like there is no tomorrow. I am going to look at getting some smaller tires on that have some grip to them to see if that will help me spinning all the way through 1st and hook up better.
Whitt, what size pulley came with yours? How much boost do you see? I have another question about your fans too. Do they come on with the blower motor for the AC, even when the AC button isn't lite up? I hooked into a wire that is on the back of the AC compressor and it seems to be hot whenever the blower is on whether the AC is actually on or not.
whitt1
04-28-2003, 08:16 PM
Mine came with a 3.4",they sent me a 3.2"pulley with my inline fuel pump[I think they did it by mistake]it makes about 1lbs more boost peaks about 91/2lbs at 6000rpm.I also bought a 3"pulley boys it makes 9lbs of boost and will go to 11lbs at 6000rpm.
whitt1
04-28-2003, 08:22 PM
I almost forgot the fans come any time the AC compressor comes on.Be sure you run a 50/50 antifreeze mix the truck will run about 10 degrees cooler.
Flyer
04-28-2003, 09:21 PM
WOW! I know what pulley I need now. What size belt did you use with each pulley? Could you tell a noticable difference with the smaller pulleys on?
Do you know which wire you used for the AC clutch? I can't find the right one.
whitt1
04-28-2003, 09:58 PM
Yes there is a noticable difference.I'm running a goodyear gatorback belt sized 119.5" it works well with all three pulleys.Autozone keeps the belt in stock at a cheaper price than goodyear.How did you get a temperture reading on the intake air sensor?I'm curious because I added an additional flush valve to my lower intercooler hose to drain the system between runs at the track and add. ice water I would like check the effectiveness of this mod by checking the air temperture.
whitt1
04-28-2003, 10:09 PM
I's been almost a year since I installed the fans but I think it was the green wire connected to the compressor it matched the instructions from Flex-a-lite.
HOFFBARE
04-28-2003, 11:23 PM
Whitt, is that the original length belt that came with your supercharger? Also to swap the pulley, do you need a puller or does the pulley just slide off? I know the pulley is keyed. Did you install the supplimentary fuel pump, and if so do you like it better than the MSD boost-a-volt thing? How much did they charge you for the fuel pump?
Sorry for all the questions. Thanks.
Karl
whitt1
04-28-2003, 11:36 PM
The belt is 1/2" shorter,the pulleys are keyed so all you do is unscrew the nut pull the old pulley off slide the new one on and tighten the nut with a little locktite. I've had the inline pump for 2 weeks now it won't fit; it was a nocharge warranty item.I'm waiting for them to prototype a way to make it work on a Tahoe.
Flyer
04-29-2003, 02:19 AM
I think mine came with a 116 inch belt going by the part number. Where did you get the pulley from?
What's keeping the pump from fitting on your tahoe? I'm guessing you're talking about the booster pump that bolts to the frame right next to the fuel filter.
I must say ya'll have been more than helpful in answering questions and giving advice and experiences. I woulld probably still be working on it if it weren't for this forum, but then if it weren't for this forum, I probably wouldn't have done it in the first place. I am glad that I have though. Now I just need to get my tranny rebuilt.
Procharged LM7
04-29-2003, 05:56 AM
Hey guys. there is no where to put the pump on the trucks either, the way it's supposed to, before the filter. The reason I think they do this way, is, some people have their regulators get plastic crap or whatever from the pump in the regulator screen. I don't know if our trucks have the screen, but I think they do. I did it the right way, but had to mount my pump under the body, right under the rear driver's side rear. It is really loud there, but the frame has absolutely no room for it, as you guys have seen. I wanted it in the frame because of the snow and crap here a long part of the year. I will have to make some kind of cover or something.
I put new injectors in today. SDM 370's. They drop in(with some convincing :devil: They flow around 42 lbs at 50 lbs of fuel press. I took off my FMU today also, but I can't get it wideband tuned for a couple weeks cause everybody is doing the same thing, at the one place intown. I'm hoping for at least what Black Yukon's put down, around 350-360.
Hows the sound of those Radix's?????? :-)
whitt1
04-29-2003, 08:13 AM
Sorry guys that belt size is 111.5".
Flyer
04-29-2003, 11:27 AM
At no boost you don't hear it. At about 0psi-3'ish mine almost sounds like a bad bearing, but not really. When the pedal drops though it sounds mean as hell. It's like a big fat whoooosh.
Sam, hurry up and get some numbers! I want to take mine to a dyno, but I doubt I ever will. I know it will spin the tires all the way through first, before the tranny started slipping though. :devil:
whitt1
04-29-2003, 11:04 PM
Yes,I have the same noises.I think it the supercharger freewheeling while the bypass valve is open.
00z71sierra
04-30-2003, 12:19 AM
Flyer, just an update on the dual fans. I called them and they recommended not installing them on the smaller radiator. He said that they really should be flush with the rad surface and I couldn't do that. He recommended part# FLX-279 I think. The fan blades are 13" instead of 15" but everything will fit better and it was $20 cheaper too. Should be pretty close to what you have. Thanks for the info though on your install.
Flyer
04-30-2003, 12:22 PM
I think Flex-a-Lite should at least advertise that on their website that they have a smaller version of the 282's. They would get tons more business then! Why some people do the things that they do I will never know!
I didn't think that my way would be recommended, especially since it envolved drilling new holes in the mounting brackets and HUGE zip-ties. I think the fans are doing a great job though ... The AC blows COLD at idle in traffic. The fans have not yet come on full speed. They will come on anytime that the truck comes to a stop for very long, then cut off as soon as some air starts moving on it's own. While it isnt recommended, I think it will work just fine, especially since I already spent the $$$$$ on them to get them here. If Flex-A-Lite made it common knowledge that they had smaller ones out though, I would have certainly ordered those instead.
00z71sierra
04-30-2003, 03:15 PM
I agree with you 100%. I think they just came out with them though. Also, it's FLX-295. I messed up. If yours work well don't change a thing. We could also blame GM; why would they have two different size rads in a 1500 pickup. If you're going to suggest that they made the larger one for a tow package; I have the tow package and my Dad's 2500 has the large 34" rad but mine doesn't so it's one of those messed up GM things too.
whitt1
04-30-2003, 09:11 PM
Hey Flyer my Tahoe stopped making the noise at 0 boost.I did'nt do anything to stop it I guess the seals and rotors in the supercharger have seated or finished breaking-in.Either that or I'm going deaf.
Flyer
05-01-2003, 01:58 AM
LOL .. going deaf .. I kinda hope mine stops making the awful noise, but I like the whoooosh's. :)
Sorry it got so long guys ... but I just had to share my frustrations with someone else.
My truck is in the shop and OH what a hassle that was. I took my truck to 'JR's Muffler and Brake' for a brake job. When they compressed the front drivers side calliper a seal broke. I called the dealer and they told me that when they get it all back together to drive it down to the dealership if it is safe to, if not, they will send a wrecker after it. I get it there at about 5:30. I also told her about another problem I have been having with the power steering pump. The service writer tells me she will take care of it and yadie yadie yadie. She has always been very helpful and has always stuck up for me against the service manger with the 'mild modifications' I have had in the passed. She gets in the truck to to check the mileage and she notices my gauges. Not much problem with the gauges, she just kinda joked around with me then. I get on my way in a loner.
Today I call and ask status about my truck. I talk to the other service writer and he asks me to hold on. I get transferred to the service manager. I knew once I heard a quiet line I was fixing to have a hard time. He tells me that it is the brake shops fault about the calliper, and he can't do it under warranty. He says he can't do anything about the power steering pump with all that I have added to the truck. I ask him why that is and he told me it changes the speed the pump pulley rotates. I told him I don't think that's the case, besudes that, I have had this problem with the truck since I got it, and he read off myhistory which he apparently hadn't looked at and noticed they already put one pump on it. He tells me he will go ahead and replace the pump in this case, but after that he isn't gonna touch my truck under warranty anymore. After all this I'm pretty well pissed!
I call the brake shop and told him what they said about the brakes. He called them and let them have it. He calls me back and says they are going to put a caliper on it under warranty.
A little later the service writer called me. She told me that they were going to put a calliper and a pump on it, but after that she can't do anything else for me. She said she did all that she could do, but anything passed this her hands are tied and she can't do anything. I asked abotu a headlight that was suppose to be replaced a few weeks ago while they had my truck for about a week rebuilding the transfer case. She said that if she went in there to ask about that she would get laughed at. This really gets me pissed. I know it isn't her fault or anything though so I don't give her a hard time about it beyond asking her about the warranty law that says that they can't deny warranty claims about something that is completely unrelated to any modifications on the truck, i.e. water in the headlight. She says they can and they will, it's just the way they work. She said that I can take them to court, but chances are it won't do any good.
Once I get off the phone with her I gather some info (GM customer assistance number, my VIN#, and a couple other things). I make a call to the GM customer service line with a piece of paper to make notes on. I find out that GM says I am write and he tells me he is going to call them and see whats up. He calls me back and says he will replace the headlight IF it falls under warranty. I haven't heard anything from them passed that. I wil call tomorrow if I don't hear from them before then to cehck on it.
I am scared they are going to drag their feet with my truck and keep it in the shop for ever and a day. I am suppose to have it in the tranny shop this coming Monday for a rebuild. Needless to say, I have had a fun and enjoying day. They have officially pissed me off and when I get pissed I get determined and have a bad habit of going to far ends to get my way, especially when I feel that I am right like this.
Procharged LM7
05-01-2003, 03:08 AM
Frickin jackasses. This is all too common, but is clearly outlined ion the Moss Magnuson act. I'm sure you guys know what that is, and if pressed(lawyer) they will cave.
My power steerign pump has been leaking for a while, but barely(you can see the fluid seeping down the front) I guarantee I will get the same treatment as you. "It puts too much load on the other power accessories" OK why did it do it before the sc?
They don't like warranty work, and it shows. Oh well, good thing they built the motors well, or I would have traded it in long ago.
Good luck Nathan, let us know how it goes. Keep a smile, man! It kills em :-) Sam
Flyer
05-01-2003, 07:36 AM
Yeah .. the service manager guy got on the phone and he had an attitude like he wasn't gonna touch the truck since it wasn't purely stock. He even thought he had a way out of the brake calliper. After I talked to him I was a little peaved to say the least. After I was told that he wasn't gonna honor any warranty claim, then I was just straight pissed! I hope I didn't piss him off by calling GM, but I had to do what I had to do to get it straight. My next step would have been calling a lawyer if GM wasn't gonna do anything about it.
00z71sierra
05-01-2003, 07:58 AM
That sucks for you. My dealer took care of me even with the supercharger and replaced a noisy fuel pump under warranty no questions asked. Now that it's out of warranty though they can't really do anything else for me. But they are cool an I didn't even buy the truck there!! Good luck; some dealers are thick headed and need to be reminded that the customer is always right.;)
I'd go look for a different dealer if they give you such a hard time again.
Flyer
05-03-2003, 11:57 PM
Well, it's the weekend and I still don't have my truck back. The service writer said Friday evening it should be ready, if not Saturday. Today (Saturday) she told me that the guy that was workin on my truck quit yesterday. She was going to try and put someone on it today, but didn't get to. She said she would put money on it being ready Monday. Hopefully I will get it in time to get it to the tranny shop so I will be able to get it back with a new tranny and my Yank 2600 in time for the weekend.
Flyer
05-10-2003, 12:20 PM
My apoligies for being so long winded but .. here it is.
I guess I should update everyone...
I got my truck back from the shop that following weekend. I had breaks. My power steering pump isn't a whinny little b@stord anymore. I got the truck about 4 that Monday. I talked to the finance manager about selling my extended warranty back because it would be of no use to me with the modifications I have on my truck and the way his service manager didn't want to honor any warranty claims. He said he was going to call EasyCare and see what the deal was. He was going to make sure that the warranty on the whole entire truck was not void but individual componants rather. He was going to give me a call back the next day, but here it is Saturday and I still haven't heard from him.
I got my truck to the tranny shop Tuesday morning. Everything went well with my truck there. I was told that Thruday evening I could pick the truck up from the shop. I got the truck and was amazed at the difference there was. He told me that I had burnt up the main band and the overdirve clutch was about shot. He was surprised that I could get anyhting of overdrive. THe servos were about burnt up as well. He told me that it will light them up in 1st, catch second, and bark third if you stayed in it. Needless to say I was impressed with it.
In talking with the guy there, he was telling me that the dealerships are really getting bad. He said a friend of his came down to visit and saw my truck on the rack in his shop and said that he was just working on it down at the dealership. He then told me that the his friend told him he was fixing to quit because he was tired of the way that the dealership was treating customers and he wasn't going to be a part of it. That would explain the delay at the dealership. I would like to know who that guy was and shake his hand.
After I get my truck back, I immediatly noticed a pull to the right. It has ALWAYS pulled to the left when it pulls. Not to mention the fenders were all greasy as well as the grille and the hood. I popped the hood and there is p/s fluid EVERYWHERE! From the grille to the firewall, on top of the airbox, blower, electical wiring center, fenders, etc... You can tell they made a half @ss attempt at cleaning some up from looking at the flashing at the front that covers the radiator, but that's all they tried to clean up.
Needless to say I am NOT happy with the dealership. As long as that service manager is around I will not be back.
Flyer
05-10-2003, 12:22 PM
I forgot to mention anything about the fuel pump. The booster pump that goes with the Magnacharger install is going out as well. I will be attempting to comtact MagnaCharger today and see if I can find one around town, or if I have to wait on them to send me one. Anytmie it comes into boost it starts cutting out and missing really bad. Once the fuel pressure gets up to 59psi, any more throttle and it plumits instead of coming up a little more.
HOFFBARE
05-11-2003, 11:42 PM
Sorry to hear that you are having so many problems with the dealership! I have a great dealer here that I deal with. I have only had one problem and it was with the body shop. After a phone call to the parts manager who I have known for years, my problem was quickly solved, and the next time I was in the owner personally came out and appologised to me. As far as your fuel pump, I would call Magnacharger and have them next day you one talk to Kevin Gunn. He is who I deal with and is a very nice guy. Keep us posted.
Karl
Flyer
05-12-2003, 06:16 PM
Well, it isn't the fuel pump. I talked to a John somebody today at MagnaCharger and he told me some things to try out which eliminated the pump as being the source of the problem. I am back to either the sock filter stopped up or an O-ring in the fuel pressure regulator messed up.
Flyer
05-12-2003, 10:31 PM
OK, I checked the O-ring in the fuel pressure regulator. I re-installed it and took it for a test drive. I got the fuel pressure back like it should be. I still had the miss from hell though. Still just abou tas random as ever, but it was more consistantly #5. I went to get a set of plugs and wires. I went the only 2 parts stores in town that carries NGK plugs. ABC Auto didn't have anyuthing listed for my truck. I went to O' Rielly's which didn't have anything listed either. The guy at O' Rielly's checked for the previous year, and found something. I also just asked about NGK TR55's. He had a set of those, which he notices were suggested for a 2001. I picked them up but was not able to find any plug wires at all in town.
The miss is still there, but not NEAR what it was. It is down to EFILive showing about 5-10 on the worst cylinder, where it was about 150-200 on the worst one. I guess the plugs got burnt up on when they were running dry.
At least I don't need any parts from MagnaCharger or anyhting!
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