Subs foward firing?

[pl4yboy]

It's impossible to get a legal reading in my truck. It's a single cab, with a center console box. I already stated, the mic was on the dash, about 2 feet from the port. To be legal, the box would have to be behind the B pillar and lower than the window line. Do you see that happening in a single cab truck with a center console box? Now... High 130s, on a DD9512, 2900 watts... 240 amp alternator, Batcap 2000, tuned to 49 hz. Yeah... I'm hitting high 130s... LOL.

[JSTPMPN]

Originally Posted by disturbedridez

http://disturbedridez.comIjust installed my 2 10s from sound stream and i built the box my self and they sound awsome! And it was my first try at it.
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http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...g?t=1210784844

is that your center console? it looks really good man!

[thekl0wn]

Originally Posted by pl4yboy

As far as a one note wonder sub, DD is far from it. Build a smaller ported enclosure, tuned to around 35-36 hz, and you'll love it for daily. ///M5 might not, because he likes his music to BLEND, but for everyone else who likes to have quite a bit of extra bass, its money.

I'm pretty sure this sums up the entire argument... Two ENTIRELY different listening preferences.

While you're claiming "good" sound quality, none of your statements support this... An enclosure tuned to 35-36 is not aimed at sound quality, and does not make for a very musical setup. If you're listening to rap or some rock, you can get by with this setup, but you get away from those two genres, and your sound will be "muddy".

[pl4yboy]

Country/Rap/Rock is all that I listen to. 35 hz IS actually a pretty musical box for DD, considering they can play an octave below the tuning frequency. I just hate hearing DD put down when honestly, 95% of the people have never even heard one. Listening preferences has a TON to do with it. I guess since I don't ride around listening to techno, I don't know what good sound quality is... lol.

[Polecat]

Originally Posted by pl4yboy

It's impossible to get a legal reading in my truck. It's a single cab, with a center console box. I already stated, the mic was on the dash, about 2 feet from the port. To be legal, the box would have to be behind the B pillar and lower than the window line. Do you see that happening in a single cab truck with a center console box? Now... High 130s, on a DD9512, 2900 watts... 240 amp alternator, Batcap 2000, tuned to 49 hz. Yeah... I'm hitting high 130s... LOL.

then it's not too easy to say you ride around doing 149's...

PS" to meter, you need to tune higher and the Batcap isn't doing anything. ;)

[pl4yboy]

The batcap isn't a Capacitor lol. It's a battery/capacitor. Quick discharge battery. Go look em up. The resonant frequency of my truck is 52 hz. So no, I don't need to tune higher.

Go learn something.

[Polecat]

Originally Posted by pl4yboy

The batcap isn't a Capacitor lol. It's a battery/capacitor. Quick discharge battery. Go look em up. The resonant frequency of my truck is 52 hz. So no, I don't need to tune higher.

Go learn something.

son, I've done car audio longer than you are OLD.....but then again, most kids your age act this way.

Attend WORLD finals son, and look for me.

Put "I do 149's on you Myspace, here, you'll have to prove it.......

[pl4yboy]

This needs to be taken care of in PMs, considering we're getting extremely off topic. If you have something to say, shoot me a PM.

[Polecat]

I proved my point.......

[///M5]

Originally Posted by pl4yboy

Country/Rap/Rock is all that I listen to. 35 hz IS actually a pretty musical box for DD, considering they can play an octave below the tuning frequency. I just hate hearing DD put down when honestly, 95% of the people have never even heard one. Listening preferences has a TON to do with it. I guess since I don't ride around listening to techno, I don't know what good sound quality is... lol.

If you think 35hz is musical, you just proved you don't know what SQ is.

I have heard plenty of DD setups and indeed by nature most of them are setup to be loud and along with it comes all the undesirables. Someday when you hear a musical setup you will be shocked!!

One thing, I would agree 1000% that listening preferences has a lot to do with this, but just like SPL being something you can compete in so is SQ and in that category if you think that setup sounds good you would fail miserably.

[Polecat]

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[pl4yboy]

Originally Posted by ///M5

If you think 35hz is musical, you just proved you don't know what SQ is.

I have heard plenty of DD setups and indeed by nature most of them are setup to be loud and along with it comes all the undesirables. Someday when you hear a musical setup you will be shocked!!

One thing, I would agree 1000% that listening preferences has a lot to do with this, but just like SPL being something you can compete in so is SQ and in that category if you think that setup sounds good you would fail miserably.

I never said it was the best. I think it sounds good to me, and everyone else that has heard it. I realize that SQ is a competition too, I never claimed to be great, or even close to it. Considering the music I listen to, and fact that the human ear can't hear much below 25 hz, 35 is plenty good for me. I've just been defending the fact that DD is not just SPL oriented.

[///M5]

Actually your comments were that it is musical.

You are really funny and have a few rather obvious facts misconceived. Only in this post you state that Aero's give you more SQ which isn't true at all there is no difference other than you can use a smaller port size in the same box and not have port noise. You knock enclosures as a method for making something sound good, which is super amusing from a guy who has only made 15-20 enclosures which I made well more than that before you were born. You claim your daily is tuned to 36hz, a 35hz tune is musical which is a farce and even you yourself in this thread state that it would only be for those "who like quite a bit of extra bass" which is amusing because of course that surely doesn't make it musical Someday you should build a musical box and until you do you really shouldn't comment on what is. I won't even bring up the 149.7 other than of course to state the obvious that calling a box with that 12 in it as sounding good that can do near 150 is a joke.

I do realize what happened here, as Polecat pointed out we would expect an 18 year old to get all defensive when I "attacked" his favorite brand, but the reality is I didn't even attack them. DD makes a great product; however, its exclusive design parameters are to get loud and if you think that sounds good then it is obvious to me that you haven't ever heard a good sounding system and even if you had you surely don't care about it actually sounding good.

I realize that sounding good is subjective but not nearly as far as you are taking it which is of course why I brought up SQ competitions. You are violating pretty much every rule of being effective in those competitions with your driver choice and more importantly the enclosure you put it in (and in this case the one your driver will work in) which does not equal good sound. To draw a parallel if someone were trying to build a really loud setup and put a DD 9512 in a .2cuft sealed box and gave it 50w you'd probably laugh at their attempts...well that is what is happening here.

So what I am saying? DD drivers are built to be fart cannons. While you may not like my terminology, I can translate: they are geared towards being one note wonders and not smooth integrateable drivers ie they are designed for output and not response.

[Polecat]

dang ///M5, we NEED to share a beer sometime

[///M5]

Come to MN, it's on me. I'd love to entertain someone else from the industry. :)

[Polecat]

sounds fun, I'll wait til at least boat weather

[pl4yboy]

Originally Posted by ///M5

Actually your comments were that it is musical.

You are really funny and have a few rather obvious facts misconceived. Only in this post you state that Aero's give you more SQ which isn't true at all there is no difference other than you can use a smaller port size in the same box and not have port noise. You knock enclosures as a method for making something sound good, which is super amusing from a guy who has only made 15-20 enclosures which I made well more than that before you were born. You claim your daily is tuned to 36hz, a 35hz tune is musical which is a farce and even you yourself in this thread state that it would only be for those "who like quite a bit of extra bass" which is amusing because of course that surely doesn't make it musical Someday you should build a musical box and until you do you really shouldn't comment on what is. I won't even bring up the 149.7 other than of course to state the obvious that calling a box with that 12 in it as sounding good that can do near 150 is a joke.

I do realize what happened here, as Polecat pointed out we would expect an 18 year old to get all defensive when I "attacked" his favorite brand, but the reality is I didn't even attack them. DD makes a great product; however, its exclusive design parameters are to get loud and if you think that sounds good then it is obvious to me that you haven't ever heard a good sounding system and even if you had you surely don't care about it actually sounding good.

I realize that sounding good is subjective but not nearly as far as you are taking it which is of course why I brought up SQ competitions. You are violating pretty much every rule of being effective in those competitions with your driver choice and more importantly the enclosure you put it in (and in this case the one your driver will work in) which does not equal good sound. To draw a parallel if someone were trying to build a really loud setup and put a DD 9512 in a .2cuft sealed box and gave it 50w you'd probably laugh at their attempts...well that is what is happening here.

So what I am saying? DD drivers are built to be fart cannons. While you may not like my terminology, I can translate: they are geared towards being one note wonders and not smooth integrateable drivers ie they are designed for output and not response.

1) Never said my box that hit that high sounded good.

2) Never said DD wasn't geared toward SPL, just stated that they can be made to sound good.

3) Never stated that Aeros give better SQ (to my knowledge) and if I did, I didn't mean that the SQ was improved by the circular design, just that port noise was reduced. (My bad on this one)

4) I'm 18 years old, I think for an 18 year old, 15-20 enclosures is pretty damned good.

This has obviously gotten out of hand. I'll admit that I did not design an SQ oriented setup, but it isn't completely SPL either. I'll admit that I do not know as much as either of you, because obviously in this situation, experience has outwitted me. In all honesty, I never meant for this to become a flame war. I was after all, just defending something that has brought a lot of joy and awe to people who have been in/around my truck, including me. I obviously don't compete in SQ competitions. My truck is a freaking tin can. It's impossible to get good SQ in it anyways. There isn't enough deadener in the world. All in all, I give up.

[///M5]

Hey no worries, defend your joy just don't say it does something that it doesn't. If you would have said "it sounds great to me" or "DD's have good enough SQ for me" or something along those lines I wouldn't have called you out on it.

[pl4yboy]

Originally Posted by ///M5

Hey no worries, defend your joy just don't say it does something that it doesn't. If you would have said "it sounds great to me" or "DD's have good enough SQ for me" or something along those lines I wouldn't have called you out on it.

You have to admit... DD > Square Kickers =)

[jimmy_dong]

i have 2 infinity reference 12s firing forward in a nbs ecsb. the box i know nothing about. it is big as hell though. before anyone jumps on my case as i read before. "it sounds good to me" what do yall think of that? by that i mean, where do infinity's stand? i am not concerend about decibel level just a good sound quality. nice and clear.