Torque Management: Pics of how it works - Page 2

RyPkr_99 · 09-07-2004, 03:18 PM

What year trucks have torque management?

Nick · 09-07-2004, 03:38 PM

I think 96-99 OBS have a little, 99+ have alot, pretty much more each year.

Stoneagemaxx · 09-07-2004, 05:51 PM

westers, nelson, and pcmforless will all do it

SloNlo350 · 09-08-2004, 07:46 AM

Heck, even my TBI pulled timing when I first romped on it, and then added more as it saw fit, and that was back in '95. Now with the TPI it just keeps the timing up there no matter what (asside from a knock). Of course the TPI computer thinks its in a 5 speed Camaro.

Dave · 09-08-2004, 12:27 PM

Great info, Question when you use a handheld tuner like Superchip does that also improve TM and stop timing retarding.
Thanks
Dave
02 Silverado Ext. 4X4,4.3.73,UPD,Flowmaster
01 Mustang Conv. GT. K&N

Troll · 09-08-2004, 08:02 PM

I put my Predator in live data monitoring mode. I got a friend to ride with me and watch. From a dead stop to wide open throttle the timing went negative for a split second. I have a custom tune that is suppose to have all TM removed. I guess it doesn't.

Nick · 09-08-2004, 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Troll

I put my Predator in live data monitoring mode. I got a friend to ride with me and watch. From a dead stop to wide open throttle the timing went negative for a split second. I have a custom tune that is suppose to have all TM removed. I guess it doesn't.

Is the Predator supposed to remove all TM? My pcmforless tune will be here friday, he told me that he removes all TM.

Troll · 09-08-2004, 08:56 PM

It normally doesn't remove all. I had emailed diablo and they sent me a different tune that had more agressive downshifting and all of the TM removed. I guess that is why my 89 truck with a tpi and a 3:42 posi would smoke the tires from a stop with just throttle and my 03 with close to the same hp and a 3:73 won't break them loose on dry concrete.

Troll · 09-08-2004, 08:58 PM

Sorry Vhato, I don't mean to steal your post. I am looking forward to the pics with the ProFlash .

oldred95 · 09-09-2004, 06:28 AM

So removing Torque Management is the reason why a TPI has such big gains in power vs. a TBI with a custom chip, right?

justin · 09-09-2004, 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chevyforu

So removing Torque Management is the reason why a TPI has such big gains in power vs. a TBI with a custom chip, right?

No,TPI is a much more efficient fuel injection system than TBI.

My SS has TONS of TM

Half Throttle is my peak performance, after that I can hear and feel timing being removed all the way til WOT.

WOT downshift to 4000rpms and I have almost no power at all

Gotta get that TM removed...

oldred95 · 09-09-2004, 02:42 PM

Maybe in power output but not in fuel effeciency. My TBI gets about 18 to 19 on the highway and it's still basically stock. My dads 02 gets about the same. He thinks I'm full of shiot but I'm not.

Zick · 09-09-2004, 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chevyforu

Maybe in power output but not in fuel effeciency. My TBI gets about 18 to 19 on the highway and it's still basically stock. My dads 02 gets about the same. He thinks I'm full of shiot but I'm not.

Well for a TBI 18-19 is pretty decent for HWY miles, but my 99' gets around 17 city and have gotten about 22 hwy. Heck even my old 98' w/ 5.7 got 16 city and 20 hwy.
I had a 95 5.7 w/ 4.10 gears and that thing was a dog, it just doesn't have the power and effeciency of the newer trucks.

oldred95 · 09-09-2004, 09:38 PM

I could argue with you all day long about this but I'm not going to.

Nick · 09-09-2004, 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chevyforu

I could argue with you all day long about this but I'm not going to.

So if they get close to the same mileage, and the new ones make 85 hp more, the TBI is more efficient?

91_bowtie · 09-09-2004, 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick99Chevy

So if they get close to the same mileage, and the new ones make 85 hp more, the TBI is more efficient?

I've never heard of a 5.3 getting 17/22. My friend's that have them here are seeing closer to 14/17.

oldred95 · 09-10-2004, 06:39 AM

The most I've ever heard was 21.

I would say that the TBI is the more efficient of the two.

justin · 09-10-2004, 06:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chevyforu

The most I've ever heard was 21.

I would say that the TBI is the more efficient of the two.

TBI making 210hp getting under 20mpg
or new MPFI truck making 295hp in 5.3 or 345hp in 6.0 and getting 19-20mpg.

Thats a no brainer.

Don't get me wrong, I liked the torque that my TBI motor produced, especially with the Vortech on it. But it was nowhere near as efficient as the MPFI system. Especially when trying to get much above 4500 rpms...

Zick · 09-10-2004, 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justin

TBI making 210hp getting under 20mpg
or new MPFI truck making 295hp in 5.3 or 345hp in 6.0 and getting 19-20mpg.

Thats a no brainer.

Don't get me wrong, I liked the torque that my TBI motor produced, especially with the Vortech on it. But it was nowhere near as efficient as the MPFI system. Especially when trying to get much above 4500 rpms...

Exactly my point and the only inefficient about the newer trucks is that damn Torque Management crap.

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09-08-2004, 07:46 AM	#25
SloNlo350 Low trap speeds are COOL! Status: Offline Join Date: Sep 2003 Member ID: 8926 Pics: My Gallery Location: Tallahassee (school)/Ft. Walton (home) FL Age: 23 Posts: 195	Heck, even my TBI pulled timing when I first romped on it, and then added more as it saw fit, and that was back in '95. Now with the TPI it just keeps the timing up there no matter what (asside from a knock). Of course the TPI computer thinks its in a 5 speed Camaro.

09-08-2004, 08:02 PM	#27
Troll Registered User Status: Offline Join Date: Apr 2003 Member ID: 6059 Pics: My Gallery Location: Houston, TX Age: 39 Posts: 234	I put my Predator in live data monitoring mode. I got a friend to ride with me and watch. From a dead stop to wide open throttle the timing went negative for a split second. I have a custom tune that is suppose to have all TM removed. I guess it doesn't. 2003 Reg Cab Sportside McGaughy Spindles Belltech Springs Belltech Flip w/Airjack SLG 06 20's 275 45 20 Predator

09-08-2004, 08:56 PM	#29
Troll Registered User Status: Offline Join Date: Apr 2003 Member ID: 6059 Pics: My Gallery Location: Houston, TX Age: 39 Posts: 234	It normally doesn't remove all. I had emailed diablo and they sent me a different tune that had more agressive downshifting and all of the TM removed. I guess that is why my 89 truck with a tpi and a 3:42 posi would smoke the tires from a stop with just throttle and my 03 with close to the same hp and a 3:73 won't break them loose on dry concrete. 2003 Reg Cab Sportside McGaughy Spindles Belltech Springs Belltech Flip w/Airjack SLG 06 20's 275 45 20 Predator

09-08-2004, 08:58 PM	#30
Troll Registered User Status: Offline Join Date: Apr 2003 Member ID: 6059 Pics: My Gallery Location: Houston, TX Age: 39 Posts: 234	Sorry Vhato, I don't mean to steal your post. I am looking forward to the pics with the ProFlash . 2003 Reg Cab Sportside McGaughy Spindles Belltech Springs Belltech Flip w/Airjack SLG 06 20's 275 45 20 Predator

09-09-2004, 06:28 AM	#31
oldred95 needs to get a life Status: Offline Join Date: Mar 2004 Member ID: 13448 Pics: My Gallery Location: Live in Enid, OK From Kiowa, KS I'm a Jayhawker, not a sooner Age: 20 Posts: 9,233	So removing Torque Management is the reason why a TPI has such big gains in power vs. a TBI with a custom chip, right? 1995 Silverado - 4L80E swap Done 1999 NBS Silverdo - Ehhh. Its gets me where I need to go, usually.

09-09-2004, 02:42 PM	#33
oldred95 needs to get a life Status: Offline Join Date: Mar 2004 Member ID: 13448 Pics: My Gallery Location: Live in Enid, OK From Kiowa, KS I'm a Jayhawker, not a sooner Age: 20 Posts: 9,233	Maybe in power output but not in fuel effeciency. My TBI gets about 18 to 19 on the highway and it's still basically stock. My dads 02 gets about the same. He thinks I'm full of shiot but I'm not. 1995 Silverado - 4L80E swap Done 1999 NBS Silverdo - Ehhh. Its gets me where I need to go, usually.

09-09-2004, 09:38 PM	#35
oldred95 needs to get a life Status: Offline Join Date: Mar 2004 Member ID: 13448 Pics: My Gallery Location: Live in Enid, OK From Kiowa, KS I'm a Jayhawker, not a sooner Age: 20 Posts: 9,233	I could argue with you all day long about this but I'm not going to. 1995 Silverado - 4L80E swap Done 1999 NBS Silverdo - Ehhh. Its gets me where I need to go, usually.

09-10-2004, 06:39 AM	#38
oldred95 needs to get a life Status: Offline Join Date: Mar 2004 Member ID: 13448 Pics: My Gallery Location: Live in Enid, OK From Kiowa, KS I'm a Jayhawker, not a sooner Age: 20 Posts: 9,233	The most I've ever heard was 21. I would say that the TBI is the more efficient of the two. 1995 Silverado - 4L80E swap Done 1999 NBS Silverdo - Ehhh. Its gets me where I need to go, usually.

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