EPROM Tuning Software

[LOWGREEN1]

Originally Posted by stuckatcuse

Sorry, mark wrote tunerpro. Go to the tunerpro website and click on the faq.
Better yet:
http://www.supportfitness.com/mark/tunerpro/FAQ.htm#T3
Check out question #3.

Downloaded it and still nothing. Thanks though.

[HaulnA$$]

Originally Posted by LOWGREEN1

Downloaded it and still nothing. Thanks though.

Ahhhh! You're using the .ads from moates.net. That might be your problem. stuckatcuse had the same problem. It was mentioned earlier in this thread. There is another .ads for the $0D stuff that Mark wrote. I have a copy. I can send it to you if you want or you can try this. Edit the .ads file you have to make it work. Change the 57 in the ALDL dump command to 56. The .ads file you have is a lot more complete that Marks. HTH

[LOWGREEN1]

Originally Posted by HaulnA$$

Ahhhh! You're using the .ads from moates.net. That might be your problem. stuckatcuse had the same problem. It was mentioned earlier in this thread. There is another .ads for the $0D stuff that Mark wrote. I have a copy. I can send it to you if you want or you can try this. Edit the .ads file you have to make it work. Change the 57 in the ALDL dump command to 56. The .ads file you have is a lot more complete that Marks. HTH

Thank you. You can send the info to LOWGRN1@AOL.com. plus I will try the change to the other one. I apperciate the help. Not very often you will find somebody that has the patience and try to help somebody that knows nothing about what he's asking..You guys

[HaulnA$$]

Originally Posted by LOWGREEN1

Thank you. You can send the info to LOWGRN1@AOL.com. plus I will try the change to the other one. I apperciate the help. Not very often you will find somebody that has the patience and try to help somebody that knows nothing about what he's asking..You guys

I help you, you help him, and he helps someone else, etc., etc., etc., and so on, and so on. This is how we all learn. The only bad part is, some poeple will take advantage of the DIY community for profit, then the sharing stops, and we all suffer.

[LOWGREEN1]

Hey Haulin, what set up are you useing for datalogging. In other words, cable, program, and computer. Also are you useing a usb cable adaptor or not? Thanks. I have tried to get my cable (even went and bought a new radio shack cable). Nothing has worked. Much apperciated.

[HaulnA$$]

Originally Posted by LOWGREEN1

Hey Haulin, what set up are you useing for datalogging. In other words, cable, program, and computer. Also are you useing a usb cable adaptor or not? Thanks. I have tried to get my cable (even went and bought a new radio shack cable). Nothing has worked. Much apperciated.

There is a USB to serial conversion driver that I had to load when I got my USB version AutoProm. You may need it too. Not sure. Worth a try. You can download it at the moates.net hardware page. I made my own ALDL cable. I used the design that I referenced at the beginning of this thread. I have 2 Dell laptops with serial ports built in, one is a 233 MHz Pentium II machine, the other is a 1GHz Pentium III machine. Both do everything fine. I have also datalogged on my AutoProm which is the USB version. Normally I run Datamaster or my LM-1 WB O2 on the serial port for datalogging and I simultaneously run TunerCatRT or TunerProRT with the AutoProm for EPROM emulation on the USB port. Keep at it. You'll get it.

[some1else]

Originally Posted by HaulnA$$

There is a USB to serial conversion driver that I had to load when I got my USB version AutoProm. You may need it too. Not sure. Worth a try. You can download it at the moates.net hardware page. I made my own ALDL cable. I used the design that I referenced at the beginning of this thread. I have 2 Dell laptops with serial ports built in, one is a 233 MHz Pentium II machine, the other is a 1GHz Pentium III machine. Both do everything fine. I have also datalogged on my AutoProm which is the USB version. Normally I run Datamaster or my LM-1 WB O2 on the serial port for datalogging and I simultaneously run TunerCatRT or TunerProRT with the AutoProm for EPROM emulation on the USB port. Keep at it. You'll get it.

Word. It took me a while to get my cable working. It's great when it actually does!

[LOWGREEN1]

Well I can't get it to work after all the downloading...so I'm going to get another laptop off Ebay that has a serial port, and start over from there. I have been useing my wife's teaching laptop and she's going to need it back to teach with. So I'm going to get my own older laptop with windows 98 and a serial port and then download Tunerpro RT and the .ads file Haulin sent me. I'll get back with you guys. Again thanks for all the help, and hopefully I can be where you guys are someday. BTW can somebody check out this cable and let me know if it will work. http://winaldl.joby.se/aldlcable.htm I got it from www.customefis.com.

[some1else]

Originally Posted by LOWGREEN1

Well I can't get it to work after all the downloading...so I'm going to get another laptop off Ebay that has a serial port, and start over from there. I have been useing my wife's teaching laptop and she's going to need it back to teach with. So I'm going to get my own older laptop with windows 98 and a serial port and then download Tunerpro RT and the .ads file Haulin sent me. I'll get back with you guys. Again thanks for all the help, and hopefully I can be where you guys are someday. BTW can somebody check out this cable and let me know if it will work. http://winaldl.joby.se/aldlcable.htm I got it from www.customefis.com.

I use a max232 type cable. It works great. It's also easy to make if you know how to solder. I can give you some links if you want. I'd bet your cable will work. Try datamaster as a test. It connects very reliably.

[LOWGREEN1]

Originally Posted by stuckatcuse

I use a max232 type cable. It works great. It's also easy to make if you know how to solder. I can give you some links if you want. I'd bet your cable will work. Try datamaster as a test. It connects very reliably.

I would but it won't let me pic a com port. It's all locked up. It just has the "none" box checked, and won't let me chose a com port..??? I tried to unistall it and then reinstall but it was the same way. I was going to get another computer but now I think I will try moates's cable and usb converter.

[HaulnA$$]

Originally Posted by LOWGREEN1

Well I can't get it to work after all the downloading...so I'm going to get another laptop off Ebay that has a serial port, and start over from there. I have been useing my wife's teaching laptop and she's going to need it back to teach with. So I'm going to get my own older laptop with windows 98 and a serial port and then download Tunerpro RT and the .ads file Haulin sent me. I'll get back with you guys. Again thanks for all the help, and hopefully I can be where you guys are someday. BTW can somebody check out this cable and let me know if it will work. http://winaldl.joby.se/aldlcable.htm I got it from www.customefis.com.

That cable won't work. It is a 160 baud cable. If you can solder on an experimenters PCB from Radio Shack, build this cable http://www.techedge.com.au/vehicle/aldl8192/8192hw.htm then put it in an experimenters box like I did. It is the one I referred to at the beginning of this thread. It is an 8192 baud bi-directional cable, which is important because it will allow you to send commands (like the "clear trouble codes" command) to the PCM as well as recieve data. If you can't solder, you can buy a good cable from this guy http://www.akmcables.com/index.htm . They're not real cheap but they work well. If you can see your way clear, buy the one with the molded ALDL connector. I updated mine to the molded connector which I got from Craig Moates and it rocks.

[LOWGREEN1]

Originally Posted by HaulnA$$

That cable won't work. It is a 160 baud cable. If you can solder on an experimenters PCB from Radio Shack, build this cable http://www.techedge.com.au/vehicle/aldl8192/8192hw.htm then put it in an experimenters box like I did. It is the one I referred to at the beginning of this thread. It is an 8192 baud bi-directional cable, which is important because it will allow you to send commands (like the "clear trouble codes" command) to the PCM as well as recieve data. If you can't solder, you can buy a good cable from this guy http://www.akmcables.com/index.htm . They're not real cheap but they work well. If you can see your way clear, buy the one with the molded ALDL connector. I updated mine to the molded connector which I got from Craig Moates and it rocks.

Well now ain't that a b*tch.. I think I will just buy the Moates CABL1 OBD1-Style ALDL Connector and the ALDU1 USB-to-ALDL Converter. Does this sound like a good plan??? Anybody need a cheap 160 buad cable???

[95nProgress]

Thanks again HaulnA$$, I was aware of smoothing one chart to the next i.e. spark open throttle to closed throttle as well as fuel. I had my spark pretty seamless but somehow, through my fuel table adjusting my fuel at open throttle map and my fuel at idle map was pretty far off from each other. This helped my slowdown surging problem a little but it didn't eliminate it. I am still searching. I am going to try to attach my latest Datamaster datalog to this message. It is a $0D with engine and tranny alternating.

Thanks

Brian

[HaulnA$$]

Originally Posted by LOWGREEN1

Well now ain't that a b*tch.. I think I will just buy the Moates CABL1 OBD1-Style ALDL Connector and the ALDU1 USB-to-ALDL Converter. Does this sound like a good plan??? Anybody need a cheap 160 buad cable???

That will work. Craig makes first rate stuff. Sorry about the 160 Baud cable. I'm sure you could sell it on Ebay. Are you sure that is the design of the cable you have. According to his website, the Custom EFI's ALDL cable will work with the 8192 baud rate. Maybe its your USB to serial converter. Many people have a lot of trouble with them that is why I have laptops with built-in serial ports and USB ports.

[HaulnA$$]

Originally Posted by 95nProgress

Thanks again HaulnA$$, I was aware of smoothing one chart to the next i.e. spark open throttle to closed throttle as well as fuel. I had my spark pretty seamless but somehow, through my fuel table adjusting my fuel at open throttle map and my fuel at idle map was pretty far off from each other. This helped my slowdown surging problem a little but it didn't eliminate it. I am still searching. I am going to try to attach my latest Datamaster datalog to this message. It is a $0D with engine and tranny alternating.

Thanks

Brian

You are definetly on the right track. I looked at the log and watched the Idle bit. When decellerating to a stop and the bit is off, the injector BPW is around 1.2 mS and as soon as the bit goes true, the BPW jumps to around 1.6 mS causing a surge. Your idle and off idle fuel tables are not matched. Copy the 400, 800, 1200, and 1600 RPM data from the off idle fuel table and paste it into the near idle fuel table then use the graph mode to smooth the Idle fuel table in the data areas between the pasted values. Be aware that the PCM uses a seperate set of BLM's when in idle mode. When calibrating your fuel tables you have to keep the idle and off idle BLM's seperate. What I do is export the file to Excell, sort the BLM data and seperate the idle stuff according to the MPH and TPS qualifier constants. I set my open and closed throttle spark tables exactly the same. HTH

[axisT6]

Okay, I broke down and bought the "Whole Shibang" from Moates. I bought the APU1 package which includes: Flash Programmer, TunerPro RT, emulator, ALDL cable. I also bought a ZIF for the memcal, and some spare chips. Do you think I will have probs. using Windows ME? Also, is it easy to change constants? Better yet, what would be the best/easiest changes to make for the first timer. BTW I have read the article on Thirdgen, so I have an idea, but I would like to hear from someone who has tuned for trucks. I drive a 1995 ECSB with a 305 (soon to be 330 hp Crate GMPP 350), with 4L60 trans. I currently have K&N, Exhaust, 4.10 gears with 33's.

[HaulnA$$]

Originally Posted by axisT6

Okay, I broke down and bought the "Whole Shibang" from Moates. I bought the APU1 package which includes: Flash Programmer, TunerPro RT, emulator, ALDL cable. I also bought a ZIF for the memcal, and some spare chips. Do you think I will have probs. using Windows ME? Also, is it easy to change constants? Better yet, what would be the best/easiest changes to make for the first timer. BTW I have read the article on Thirdgen, so I have an idea, but I would like to hear from someone who has tuned for trucks. I drive a 1995 ECSB with a 305 (soon to be 330 hp Crate GMPP 350), with 4L60 trans. I currently have K&N, Exhaust, 4.10 gears with 33's.

First of all congratulations on diving into PROM tuning. Secondly, that is one serious piece of hardware you've got for a beginner but I feel that you left out one thing. I would recommend that you also get the G1 adapter from Moates so that you don't have to destroy your Memcal. The G1 adapter will allow you to keep your Memcal intact yet it bypasses the chip in the Memcal. I also highly recommend that you take it slow. Do not even attempt tuning in real time until you have a good grasp on things and how they work. Datalog, make small changes, burn a chip, then datalog the changes and so on. I cannot stress enough how easy it is to do serious engine damage if you are not careful. O.K., now that that is out of the way, onto constants. Start with the simple ones like the speed limiter and RPM limiter. Lower the limits just to make sure you are really making changes and to see what they do. The switches and constants are fairly straight forward and easily modified. Before you graduate to tuning high performance engines, master tuning a stock one. The last thing you want to do is melt an engine that you just spent some serious coin on. Happy tuning!

[axisT6]

HaulnA$$,

I did purchase G1 adapter, forgot to mention that. Anyway, I know NOT to mess with fuel/spark tables right away. Until then, what would be some good reading material to look over that explains the tables and how they work. Also, how long do you think TBI parts will be around? I ask because it has been about 10 years since the last TBI truck rolled off the line. Thanks.

[HaulnA$$]

TBI parts will be around for a long time, there are too many of them out there (Camaros, Caprices, and trucks etc.) to be denied. As for reference material, I dont know your experience level so I will say to start with general TBI tuning stuff like this http://www.cfm-tech.com/GM_tbi_tuning_tips.htm , remember, it is still an engine and all of the old tuning and troubleshooting methods still apply. It is very easy to tune out a real mechanical problem with a chip or blame the chip when something else is wrong, I have done it myself. Once you got that down, check this out http://www.diy-efi.org/gmecm/papers/ . The information is not specific to your PCM but it still applies. Also read all the info at http://www.customefis.com/ . Check out all the links pages at these sites and soak up as much as you can. There is a ton of information out there. Google searches work well too.

[some1else]

I love this rush of 94-95 tuners! I need to get the apu1!!!