5.7 vortec vs. 5.7 hemi

[Outlawz2004]

Originally Posted by rebelbowtie

i think the site should be re named 5.7chevy

I already suggested this.They wouldn't listen.
Save your breath, you wont get anything thru to these guys.
Most hemi rams run good, some are slower than others. My bet would be on the hemi.

[Fast305]

Originally Posted by Outlawz2004

I already suggested this.They wouldn't listen.
Save your breath, you wont get anything thru to these guys.
Most hemi rams run good, some are slower than others. My bet would be on the hemi.

Most Hemi's run OK, nothing real special about a low 16 to high 15 second truck. The Rams the Hemis are wrapped in weigh around 5,000+ lbs. The Vortec 350 is a strong running engine and is only 60 hp short to the tires compared to the Hemi. Don't count the L31 out of the race. I have seen ECSB C1500s with the L31 and 3.73s run 15.9 in the 1/4. If the Ram has 20s on it, you may have him in the bag. MANY Rams with 20s came with 3.55 gears. The factory P275/50/R20 tires are 33" tall and the effective gearing is taller than a Chevy with 3.08s and 29" tall tires. I am a service advisor at a Chrylser/Jeep/Dodge dealer so I am around these all day long and know what they run like. I even choose to buy a 4.7 when I got my truck, because its only a few tenths in the 1/4 slower than the Hemi bone stock and from a 50 punch is actually stronger than the Hemi as it holds 2nd gear prime to a higher speed/rpm than the Hemi.

[Outlawz2004]

All the hemi rams here with the 20s come with 3.92s stock and the 4.10 as an option.

[Fast305]

Originally Posted by Outlawz2004

All the hemi rams here with the 20s come with 3.92s stock and the 4.10 as an option.

I've NEVER seen a 4.10 gear in a Hemi Ram, unless it was a 2500. To my knowledge dodge does not even make a 4.10 gear for its LD rear-end. Trust me, I have looked for my personal Ram. The 4.7 could use a little more gear to get the heavy quad cab off the line. I have factory 3.92s and the next step up is aftermarket 4.56s. Trust me, if Dodge made a 4.10 gear for MY rear-end, I would have already bought it with my discount and it would be in my truck. I don't need or want 4.56s because I like to cruise at 80+ mph for long periods of time. Many Rams with 20s had the 3.92s and a few (mainly the Sports have 3.55s). I know, because I look at the factory option sheets for 50 of these trucks a week. If I had found a 4.10 geared 1500, I would have recorded the VIN and used it to buy a gear set for me.

[the_husk]

Wow, stop dissing the 5.7. You're just jealous than an engine that is 5-10 yrs older than yours, and less cubic inches can produce more torque and lower in the rpm band, and carry it to redline along with great power. OH and that it can wax your 6.0/hemi/ and 5.9.

Oh, and along with videos, there are lots of them out there than in a truck vs. truck pulloff, the 5.7 wipes the ground with the 6.0.

END OF THREAD.

[Outlawz2004]

Originally Posted by Fast305

I've NEVER seen a 4.10 gear in a Hemi Ram, unless it was a 2500. .

Your right on that one. Not on the 1500 ram. Put a reg cab 98 vortec stock with 15" wheels up against a reg cab hemi stock with the 17" wheels and see what would happen. The hemi would kill it.Plain and simple.

[Outlawz2004]

Originally Posted by the_husk

Wow, stop dissing the 5.7. You're just jealous than an engine that is 5-10 yrs older than yours, and less cubic inches can produce more torque and lower in the rpm band, and carry it to redline along with great power. OH and that it can wax your 6.0/hemi/ and 5.9.

Oh, and along with videos, there are lots of them out there than in a truck vs. truck pulloff, the 5.7 wipes the ground with the 6.0.

END OF THREAD.

Actually, I agree with it smoking a 5.9L, just not the other two.

[Fast305]

Originally Posted by Outlawz2004

Your right on that one. Not on the 1500 ram. Put a reg cab 98 vortec stock with 15" wheels up against a reg cab hemi stock with the 17" wheels and see what would happen. The hemi would kill it.Plain and simple.

Hemi will run a 15.2 to the Chevys 15.7, both will be frying the tires. I know. I also know that I can get the Chevy to beat the Hemi without breaking into the engine.

[the_husk]

WEll, I guess ya'll can believe what you want, but I know from EXPERIENCE that my 5.7 will wipe the ground with all the ls based engines stock, 4.8-8.1 and absolutely eat the 5.9 alive, and edge out a hemi by about 1-1.5 lenghts.

[Fast305]

Originally Posted by the_husk

WEll, I guess ya'll can believe what you want, but I know from EXPERIENCE that my 5.7 will wipe the ground with all the ls based engines stock, 4.8-8.1 and absolutely eat the 5.9 alive, and edge out a hemi by about 1-1.5 lenghts.

My EXPRESS CONVERSION VAN with the L31 is as quick as a stock Hemi Quad Cab, I've run that one too.

[Outlawz2004]

Originally Posted by Fast305

Hemi will run a 15.2 to the Chevys 15.7, both will be frying the tires. I know.

Slow a$$ hemis where your at. I have seen a few that slow, but most run way faster than that. Dont kid yourself.I am not a fan of dodge and I like the 350, but thinking most stock 350s will beat a hemi truck equiped the same options is crazy talk.

[Fast305]

Originally Posted by Outlawz2004

Slow a$$ hemis where your at. I have seen a few that slow, but most run way faster than that. Dont kid yourself.I am not a fan of dodge and I like the 350, but thinking most stock 350s will beat a hemi truck equiped the same options is crazy talk.

I know better, I've seen the dyno sheets, watched them race. Say what you want, but the 5.7 comes alive sooner and almost always gets the jump. Its strong enough to maintain the lead for a good while as well.

[the_husk]

Originally Posted by Fast305

My EXPRESS CONVERSION VAN with the L31 is as quick as a stock Hemi Quad Cab, I've run that one too.

Hey, man, we are arguing for the same cause lol. You have a QUICK van there.

[the_husk]

Originally Posted by Outlawz2004

Slow a$$ hemis where your at. I have seen a few that slow, but most run way faster than that. Dont kid yourself.I am not a fan of dodge and I like the 350, but thinking most stock 350s will beat a hemi truck equiped the same options is crazy talk.

ONCE AGAIN, this is where EXPERIENCE comes into play and not bench racing. THe 5.7 will eat the hemi out of the hole and hold it off.

[Outlawz2004]

Originally Posted by the_husk

WEll, I guess ya'll can believe what you want, but I know from EXPERIENCE that my 5.7 will wipe the ground with all the ls based engines stock, 4.8-8.1 and absolutely eat the 5.9 alive, and edge out a hemi by about 1-1.5 lenghts.

Hahahah, you wish. Well guys, enough for tonight. I am getting off work soon. Catch back up with this tommorow. I just hope I dont run into any of those 350s on the way home. LOL.

[the_husk]

WAIT A SECOND! You're telling me that what I know form experience isnt true? Wow, you need to experience the TRUTH. And as far as calling me a liar, that just pisses me off.

[Outlawz2004]

Originally Posted by the_husk

ONCE AGAIN, this is where EXPERIENCE comes into play and not bench racing. THe 5.7 will eat the hemi out of the hole and hold it off.

Yeah, for about 50ft. LOL. It wont hold it through a 1/4 mile. Sorry, last post, couldnt resist.

[the_husk]

You crack me up kid. What don't you understand about experience, hemi's are SLOW out of the hole, and cant keep up with the midrange charge of the vortec, but do start to pull them in slowly after the 1/8th mile.

[Fast305]

Originally Posted by the_husk

You crack me up kid. What don't you understand about experience, hemi's are SLOW out of the hole, and cant keep up with the midrange charge of the vortec, but do start to pull them in slowly after the 1/8th mile.

I agree 100% with you there, and was in agreement with you. Strengthening your statement by saying my 5.7 L31 is a hell of an engine. Its even better now that it is tuned.

Originally Posted by Outlawz2004

Yeah, for about 50ft. LOL. It wont hold it through a 1/4 mile. Sorry, last post, couldnt resist.

It sure as hell will, Slightly moded L31 vs Hemi. I am sure I will catch some flak because the 255 HP 350 has a few bolt-ons and the 345 hp 5.7 Hemi is stock. The QCSB Ram and ECSB Chevy are roughly equals in weight. They are both around 5,000 lbs.

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/1...h-V8_72526.htm

[Blue Bowtie]

Originally Posted by Hatfieco

There is nothin wrong with the 5.7 they move right along. If I hadnt planned on lifting it I woulda gone with the 5.7. But since I knew I was gonna put 35s on it the 7.4 made since. No need for a change in gearing, plenty of get up and mileage is pretty close to a 5.7 on 35s from what I have heard.

Ya there isn't anything wrong with the 350, it's a fine motor, and I've had several. What kind of milage are you getting with that 454?